"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

Clandestine · 03-09-2015 03:11PM

Ireland shouldn't take a single person.
Why?

-Where will these people be housed when we have an extremely long housing waiting list?
-Who's going to pay for their care? Food? lodging? etc.
-Why should Ireland pay for other leaders mistakes? Ireland had nothing to do with what occurred in Syria/Libya etc.
-What number is enough? Let some in, more will follow. Look at Germany or the UK now
-25% of Irish people aged 18-24 are NEET. Our unemployment rate is atrocious, not counting people who are underemployed or working part-time.

Our border should be secured

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:11PM

This drawing, right in the feels:

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/449850/slide_449850_6007184_free.jpg

This is what every child deserves at the end of each day.

Leslie91 · 03-09-2015 03:11PM

RIP Aylan (and all the other innocent victims).

On top of this and the many other tragedies is the paucity in leadership/dynamism/get up and effin go in our so called leaders in Europe. Bunch of overpaid wasters the lot of them. What would it take to get a group of extremely bright humanitarian people together in a room to figure this **** out. Mary Robinson springs to mind someone like her should lead this and F Merkel, F Enda, F Cameron and F the UN. Surprised a proper caring 'big name' has not come forward to bang heads.

We can forget the US they couldn't give a rats unless there is oil/looking after Israel involved.

Useless shower of parasites the lot of em politicians.

OH and BTW the answer isn't open all the doors the answer is in attempting to fix WTF is going on in all these countries people need to escape from. I know it is not easy but nothing is being done on the diplomatic side. It's just a case of maximising sales of bullets, bombs, fighter aircraft etc.

Tinder Surprise · 03-09-2015 03:17PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Ireland shouldn't take a single person.
Why?

-Where will these people be housed when we have an extremely long housing waiting list?
-Who's going to pay for their care? Food? lodging? etc.
-Why should Ireland pay for other leaders mistakes? Ireland had nothing to do with what occurred in Syria/Libya etc.
-What number is enough? Let some in, more will follow. Look at Germany or the UK now
-25% of Irish people aged 18-24 are NEET. Our unemployment rate is atrocious, not counting people who are underemployed or working part-time.

Our border should be secured

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:18PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Ireland shouldn't take a single person.
Why?

-Where will these people be housed when we have an extremely long housing waiting list?
-Who's going to pay for their care? Food? lodging? etc.
-Why should Ireland pay for other leaders mistakes? Ireland had nothing to do with what occurred in Syria/Libya etc.
-What number is enough? Let some in, more will follow. Look at Germany or the UK now
-25% of Irish people aged 18-24 are NEET. Our unemployment rate is atrocious, not counting people who are underemployed or working part-time.

Our border should be secured

People who are homeless still get a roof over their head each night from the state.

How is this any comparison or justification for not helping people who are fleeing these countries.

Yes of course not all are genuine but a lot
are.

Maybe look at taking a few more in wouldn't be a catastrophe.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:20PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Our border should be secured

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/449850/slide_449850_6007736_free.jpg

Mesrine65 · 03-09-2015 03:22PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

People who are homeless still get a roof over their head each night from the state.

What planet did you beam in from?

Tell that to the two homeless kids sleeping on the steps of my place of employment this morning :rolleyes: :mad:

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 03:23PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/449850/slide_449850_6007736_free.jpg

All credit to using a child's death to press a political agenda.....

However what is it about this opportunistic image that compels the EU to take 100,000+ illegal migrants & asylum seekers every month?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:24PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

What planet did you beam in from?

Tell that to the two homeless kids sleeping on the steps of my place of employment this morning :rolleyes: :mad:

Yeah ok I actually think your lying.

There is services for everyone who finds themselves homeless in Ireland.

That is FACT.

Where these children Irish?

Did you call welfare or the gards?

You're either bull****ting or coming out with some false outrage.

Clandestine · 03-09-2015 03:24PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/449850/slide_449850_6007736_free.jpg

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Besides an unsubtle political cartoon, where are your arguments?

conorhal · 03-09-2015 03:24PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

People who are homeless still get a roof over their head each night from the state.
How is this any comparison or justification for not helping people who are fleeing these countries.

Yes of course not all are genuine but a lot
are.

Maybe look at taking a few more in wouldn't be a catastrophe.

Tell that to this guy....

Homeless man with broken back mugged over a dozen times for pain medication - Independent.ie

Lynn Cahill, the woman behind Cairdeas Homeless Action, spoke to Independent.ie about Jude's plight.

"Jude has a broken back in two places... as a result, he has a large hump. He can barely stand - his ribcage is pushed down so far that it's resting on his hipbone".

"He has been prescribed oxycotton for the pain, which is also an opiate. This makes him a target for heroin addicts and he has been attacked more than a dozen times and robbed of his meds".

"Jude walks the streets of Dublin for 14 hours a day before he returns to his spot to bed down for the night on the cold hard pavement".

"It's a vicious circle - I'm heartbroken for him".

Personally I think we should be looking after our own citizens first.

WakeUp · 03-09-2015 03:26PM

Clandestine wrote: »

Ireland shouldn't take a single person.
Why?

-Where will these people be housed when we have an extremely long housing waiting list?
-Who's going to pay for their care? Food? lodging? etc.
-Why should Ireland pay for other leaders mistakes? Ireland had nothing to do with what occurred in Syria/Libya etc.
-What number is enough? Let some in, more will follow. Look at Germany or the UK now
-25% of Irish people aged 18-24 are NEET. Our unemployment rate is atrocious, not counting people who are underemployed or working part-time.

Our border should be secured

this is the crux of it is all well and good saying we will take people but we must be able to deal with whatever number of people we take in. so obviously theres a limit and they need to be verified genuine refugees. there has to be balance as if there isnt a balance it will surely and eventually lead to problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vMtTTdyFz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwj9NVwGl-c

03-09-2015 03:27PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

What planet did you beam in from?

Tell that to the two homeless kids sleeping on the steps of my place of employment this morning :rolleyes: :mad:

As a matter of interest, what are you doing about them?

Please don't say walk around them as you go into work.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:29PM

conorhal wrote: »

Personally I think we should be looking after our own citizens first.

We are looking after our own citizens. Not perfectly, but we're trying. For every person like Jude, how many are in care, in hostels, getting treatment for drug addiction, getting treatment for mental health issues, and making a new start at life? Don't just focus on the negatives. There are positives stories too you know, that don't get reported as much, because hey, then we wouldn't be able to give out about the government as much.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:29PM

conorhal wrote: »

Tell that to this guy....

Homeless man with broken back mugged over a dozen times for pain medication - Independent.ie

Lynn Cahill, the woman behind Cairdeas Homeless Action, spoke to Independent.ie about Jude's plight.

"Jude has a broken back in two places... as a result, he has a large hump. He can barely stand - his ribcage is pushed down so far that it's resting on his hipbone".

"He has been prescribed oxycotton for the pain, which is also an opiate. This makes him a target for heroin addicts and he has been attacked more than a dozen times and robbed of his meds".

"Jude walks the streets of Dublin for 14 hours a day before he returns to his spot to bed down for the night on the cold hard pavement".

"It's a vicious circle - I'm heartbroken for him".

Personally I think we should be looking after our own citizens first.

So you're telling me he wasn't offered accommodation of some sort?

Just like the fella who died not far from the Dail.

Everyone outraged yet fail to mention he refused accommodation and help even from his own family.

He sold 2 houses his family bought to fund his habit.

We really will jump on anything to have a good rant at the government.

03-09-2015 03:30PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

However what is it about this opportunistic image that compels the EU to take 100,000+ illegal migrants & asylum seekers every month?

Is it not simply recording a tragedy?

What is the opportunism? Did the person who took it hold out for a ball of money? Did the child die to make some cheap point?

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:30PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

All credit to using a child's death to press a political agenda.....

However what is it about this opportunistic image that compels the EU to take 100,000+ illegal migrants & asylum seekers every month?

Drill it down to just one boy, and work your way up from there.

Mesrine65 · 03-09-2015 03:31PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yeah ok I actually think your lying.

There is services for everyone who finds themselves homeless in Ireland.

That is FACT.

Where these children Irish?

Did you call welfare or the gards?

You're either bull****ting or coming out with some false outrage.

I give a f**k what you think!

I'm in charge of security at a state building, there are frequently kids & adults sleeping rough on the premises.

I usually let them use the facilities to clean up & the girls in the canteen sort them out with something to eat/cup of tea.

You're delusional or plain ignorant, "There is services for everyone who finds themselves homeless in Ireland" :rolleyes:

FYI...the gardai give less of a fúck about the homeless than the government do, wise up!

03-09-2015 03:31PM

conorhal wrote: »

Personally I think we should be looking after our own citizens first.

When did it come down to an either/or?

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 03:33PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Drill it down to just one boy, and work your way up from there.

Nope.... That means nothing.

Again, state your case.

Why should the EU continue to absorb the influx it currently is?

If you want to convince us that Europe should indeed be dealing with this & more, you will need more than a political cartoon.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:34PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I give a f**k what you think!

I'm in charge of security at a state building, there are frequently kids & adults sleeping rough on the premises.

I usually let them use the facilities to clean up & the girls in the canteen sort them out with something to eat/cup of tea.

You're delusional or plain ignorant, "There is services for everyone who finds themselves homeless in Ireland" :rolleyes:

FYI...the gardai give less of a fúck about the homeless than the government do, wise up!

Absolute bs.

Seriously there is services for people who find themselves homeless.

The figures back it up. Hostels b and bs. Social housing.

Stop with the hyperbole that the government don't care.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:35PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Nope.... That means nothing.

Again, state your case.

Why should the EU continue to absorb the influx it currently is?

I'm not saying it should. I'm not saying anything about that. The point of this thread was nothing to do with any of that. It was to do with a child dead's body on a beach.

Where you go from there is up to you.

03-09-2015 03:35PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I'm in charge of security at a state building, there are frequently kids & adults sleeping rough on the premises.

I usually let them use the facilities to clean up & the girls in the canteen sort them out with something to eat/cup of tea.

Are the 2 children you referred to above homeless, or temporarily sleeping rough? What ages are they, approximately? Do they have parents around or are they alone?

Mesrine65 · 03-09-2015 03:39PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Absolute bs.

Seriously there is services for people who find themselves homeless.

The figures back it up. Hostels b and bs. Social housing.

Stop with the hyperbole that the government don't care.

Walk around any of the government buildings in the city before 7.30am any morning of the week & you can plainly see the amount of homeless sleeping rough.

I personally don't put much faith in 'figures', I see what I see, unlike you I don't have my blinkers on.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 03:39PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I'm not saying it should. I'm not saying anything about that.

Grand, so you aren't saying anything.

We may tease more out of you next week when more children drown in the med, as they have every week.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:41PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Grand, so you aren't saying anything.

We may tease more out of you next week when more children drown in the med, as they have every week.

Why should I say something? I'm nobody. I don't have the answers.

Read my OP. I'm not making any political comments. There are dead children on beaches. Do what you want with that.

03-09-2015 03:45PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

We may tease more out of you next week when more children drown in the med, as they have every week.

The little "opportunists", huh?

Literally dying to give us more "opportunistic images".

Mesrine65 · 03-09-2015 03:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are the 2 children you referred to above homeless, or temporarily sleeping rough? What ages are they, approximately? Do they have parents around or are they alone?

I've seen them twice in the last couple of months, 2 boys, probably ages 14/15, traveller accents but polite.

Not too chatty with me to be honest, the uniform probably puts them on alert.

They get on well with the canteen girls though & the coffee shop sorts them out with sandwiches etc., at the end of the day.

conorhal · 03-09-2015 03:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When did it come down to an either/or?

When there were only the resources for either/or.
Not that hard to figure out.

conorhal · 03-09-2015 03:47PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

So you're telling me he wasn't offered accommodation of some sort?

Just like the fella who died not far from the Dail.

Everyone outraged yet fail to mention he refused accommodation and help even from his own family.

He sold 2 houses his family bought to fund his habit.

We really will jump on anything to have a good rant at the government.

Yeah and every Syrian migrant is a model human being I suppose or do you imagine they arrive like modern saints on our shores? Perhaps that's how they get here then, walking on water I suppose...

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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