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"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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  • #752
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Well things have taken a far more sinister turn now in Hungary.

    The authorities allowed the refugees to board a train that was heading towards the border with Austria but before it got near the border it was stopped and the refugees were told to leave the train and they were to be brought to a refugee camp, They seem to have declined this offer of a place of safety and security and began shouting "NO CAMP", "NO CAMP" and have been involved in scuffles with police.

    These people are not genuine refugees or asylum seekers and should be deported back to Libya/Turkey/Afghanistan.

    Why are 'refugees' in safe countries making demands?


  • #753
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    Nothing sinister there, I'm sure they just don't want to be locked up which is understandable after all they've been through.


    After all they have been through you'd think they'd be happy with a safe place to sleep with their families!


  • #754
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    The majority of people on this thread will give them a bed.

    Oh they would ya, give over will ya. Half the fcukers on boards live on beans on toast, they can barely look after themselves.


  • #755
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Playboy wrote: »
    The heartlessness of some people shouldn't shock me but it still does. Since when did we all get so selfish? These are human beings, put yourself in their shoes for one moment instead of thinking about your own first world trivial problems.

    Western foreign policy has destroyed that region. We have been assassinating democratically elected leaders, funding and training extremists, redrawing borders, supporting totalitarian regimes for self interest and the list goes on. The ME is a basket case as a direct consequence of colonialism and Imperialism. You cannot understand Al Qaeda, ISIS or any of these organisations in isolation outside of the wider context of western involvement in the region. Yes Islam and Wahabbism has had a part to play but we were happy to support it when it benefited us or we wanted to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. We are still best chums with the most extreme regimes in the ME because it suits our purposes. Syria is fcked as is Libya, Iraq and many more countries and the West shares a huge part of the responsibility for that.

    Now we have the biggest displacement of people since WWII and all people care about is how its going to affect their lives, no concern given for suffering that people are going through. Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey have taken huge numbers of refugees and they are less able to cope than nearly ever country in Europe. What kind of example are we setting to our children when we can be so disinterested in a humanitarian crisis of this scale. Yes taking large amounts of refugees will cause problems but isnt that really a secondary concern... When you see someone being crushed under a car your first thought shouldnt be "Oh I might put my back out if I help lift that heavy car".

    no it isnt a secondary concern its a primary concern because all these people on the move are not legitimate "refugees". that term and the convention in place to deal with them is being abused beyond belief and is no longer fit for purpose. vast numbers of chancers and economic citizenship shoppers are on the move demanding this and that because of some bizzare sense of entitlement they have. and this is the problem. until its addressed accordingly its always going to be a problem. because phuck that.

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  • #756
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    The majority of people on this thread will give them a bed.

    Possibly, not sure where you are getting that from.

    But there will still be a number who will look at the dead children, shrug their shoulders and think they could have been ISIS terrorists anyway, and sure we have all those banks to bail out and we can't be eating into that budget...


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  • #757
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    professore wrote:
    I can read thanks - the lines themselves and between them, where you like to impart the most meaning. I see your lovely personality shining through. Also I couldn't find anything you posted referring to the vast majority being genuine refugees, or maybe the Boards search is not working.


    Post #734

    You obviously can't read.


  • #758
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Well I donated to Oxfam today, I'm sure many more did- you will have those saying it just pays admin etc but Oxfam are very visible on the ground


  • #759
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Fg will be once again blamed for letting more in even though there is a housing crisis.

    Little do people know Sinn Fein and the left's have said we should open our borders to as many as possible.

    Hypocrisy at its finest......

    Do some people not realise what they post in other forums is plain for all to see?

    Get an SF dig in sure...

    But all concerned here........


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  • #760
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    It's frightening because it's bordering on racism and deliberately ignores the fact the vast majority of these migrants are in fact innocent people fleeing in fear for their lives.
    Im sorry, you quite simply don't know that. Neither do I for that matter.

    Now we can go back and forth with the emotionals all the day long, but in the end the EU leadership has to get practical here.

    Let's look at the plain facts and figures. There have been 350,000 such migrants since January of this year, versus 280,000 for the whole of last year(which is a mad figure as it is). That's the detected number. 230,000 have rocked up to Greece alone. Now remember Greece is a bloody economic basket case at the moment and likely to remain so for a very long time. Services for the Greek people are stretched extremely thin. Spain's unemployment rate is close to 50% for folks between the ages of 20 and 40 and 23% overall, Greece is higher again at 25%. 1 in 4 Greeks are out of work. Where in god's name are these hundreds of thousands of arrivals going to work and live? That's a powderkeg waiting to go up with a bang. We don't want more ghettos springing up around Europe, self imposed or otherwise. We have enough ta very much. As has been pointed out look at the rise of the hard right in Europe and look at the traction it's gaining.

    Anyway, people are dying and traffickers are making hay out of this come to the EU meme. How do we stop the deaths? Look to others and previous experience. Australia for example. Specifically how they dealt with their refugee/migrant issue. A plan called the Pacific Solution was implemented. In short they closed their borders and shipped any migrants found, either at sea or on Australian land to detention centres on Pacific islands. And what happened? 1) migrants stopped seeing Australia as a soft touch and 2) the number of deaths plummeted. QV this page on the stats. You'll note a massive fall in deaths between 2002 and 2008 when the plan was in motion. But a new more left leaning government came in and threw the plan out because "humanity" and look what happened.

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  • #761
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    Deleted User wrote:
    Possibly, not sure where you are getting that from.


    Sarcasm Connor. People on this thread telling us we should be ashamed of ourselves, even do we didn't do anything.

    I'm presuming these people will invite these refugees in to their home and give em a bed.


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  • #762
    babyteeth
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25 ✭babyteeth


    The lack of humanity on here is terrifying....


  • #763
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    snubbleste wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/639389218511257600
    just proves that they were not fleeing any kind of persecution but in search of more money and better prospects.
    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Describing these people as Migrants is doing a massive disservice to most of them. They're refugees.
    No most are economic migrants who will get violent to get where they want to go! Do we really want more young thugs living off our taxpayers?
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Have you proof to back up this statement?

    Nothing sinister there, I'm sure they just don't want to be locked up which is understandable after all they've been through.
    so many refuse to register in the first safe country they enter because there is not the cushy benefits and prospects available in eastern european countries so these economic migrants push on to get to the "Richer" countries.
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Oh they would ya, give over will ya. Half the fcukers on boards live on beans on toast, they can barely look after themselves.
    Tesco Value beans and Everyday Value sliced pans.


  • #764
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    Sarcasm Connor. People on this thread telling us we should be ashamed of ourselves, even do we didn't do anything.

    I'm presuming these people will invite these refugees in to their home and give em a bed.

    My line about posters staring at images of these victims while muttering about ISIS terrorists and our resources was sincere.

    In fact, afair you are one of those posters...I think you played that ISIS card already. Cos you know, ISIS like to disguise as 3 year olds and set off on deathtrap ships...


  • #765
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Have you proof to back up this statement?

    They're in breach of the Dublin convention by not claiming asylum in Hungary.


  • #766
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    babyteeth wrote: »
    The lack of humanity on here is terrifying....
    Humanity and all that is all very well and it makes us feel better, but until we bring cold hard practicalities to bear it's all hot air and morality vanity. "Oh look, look how humane we are" while the situation gets worse. It's quite a common meme in the west. That and White guilt. Mix the two and whammo, emotionals all over the place, practicals not so much.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #767
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    Sarcasm Connor. People on this thread telling us we should be ashamed of ourselves, even do we didn't do anything.

    I'm presuming these people will invite these refugees in to their home and give em a bed.

    Well the Icelanders are:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

    After the Icelandic government announced last month that it would only accept 50 humanitarian refugees from Syria, Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir encouraged fellow citizens to speak out in favour of those in need.

    "I'm a single mother with a 6-year-old son... We can take a child in need. I'm a teacher and would teach the child to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society. We have clothes, a bed, toys and everything a child needs. I would of course pay for the airplane ticket," wrote Hekla Stefansdottir in a post.

    It just goes to show how simplistic and naive the thinking of such eejits is. Will she she be willing to offer the child's parents a home too? Few of the migrants are children, the majority (75%) are adult males under 35. Is she prepared to take one of those?

    Then if course there's the lunacy of thinking that 10,000 facebook likes will actually translate into action. I'm pretty sure that if the Icelandic government put it up to them and sent them a PM asking 'so when can you take in a refugee' that number would dwindle with an unseemly speed.


  • #768
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    No most are economic migrants who will get violent to get where they want to go! Do we really want more young thugs living off our taxpayers?

    Yes I'm sure that child on the beach was a right little thug.


  • #769
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Humanity and all that is all very well and it makes us feel better, but until we bring cold hard practicalities to bear it's all hot air and morality vanity. "Oh look, look how humane we are" while the situation gets worse. It's quite a common meme in the west. That and White guilt. Mix the two and whammo, emotionals all over the place.

    But the FEELS! the feels Wibbs!

    My standard response to such inane platitues and irrationality has always been, 'Hey I know a guy in need of heart transplant, don't suppose you'd be willing to volunteer?'
    Because that's what's being asked here, for nations to bleed themselves dry, crash their social security and social infrastructure and burn social cohesion to the ground.


  • #770
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Empathy, google it and get some


  • #771
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    conorhal wrote: »
    Well the Icelanders are:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

    After the Icelandic government announced last month that it would only accept 50 humanitarian refugees from Syria, Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir encouraged fellow citizens to speak out in favour of those in need.

    "I'm a single mother with a 6-year-old son... We can take a child in need. I'm a teacher and would teach the child to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society. We have clothes, a bed, toys and everything a child needs. I would of course pay for the airplane ticket," wrote Hekla Stefansdottir in a post.

    It just goes to show how simplistic naieve thinking of such eejits. Will she she be willing to offer the child's parents a home too? Few of the migrants are children, the majority (75%) are adult males under 35. Is she prepared to take one of those?

    Then if course there's the lunacy of thinking that 10,000 facebook likes will actually translate into action. I'm pretty sure that if the Icelandic government put it up to them and sent them a PM asking 'so when can you take in a refugee' that number would dwindle with an unseemly speed.

    Well she did offer ... more than you're doing. I'd take a child or 2 myself, would take an adult but haven't got room for them as our house is packed as it is.


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  • #772
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Yes I'm sure that child on the beach was a right little thug.

    The majority of these economic migrants are males under 35 who are in search of wealth in the west and will do whatever it takes to get there!


  • #773
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Yes I'm sure that child on the beach was a right little thug.

    Again... You gotta distance yourself from emotion.

    Most people would consider rafting the 5000 miles from Syria to Canada to have an inevitable outcome.


  • #774
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    The majority of these economic migrants are males under 35 who are in search of wealth in the west and will do whatever it takes to get there!

    You don't know that at all.


  • #775
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I'm getting five minutes to browse while my little charge is having a nap. Its been quite a while since I had a lively(and very emotional I have to say)4 year old in the house :)

    No-one here has the solution to this situation.
    Is this solution to tar everyone as an ISIS terrorist or freeloader? No.
    Neither is it the solution to adopt an open door policy and flood the country.
    We look to our governments across Europe at this time to hope they make the right call.
    Sadly, having seen the right mess these plonkers have made of so many situations of the last number of years, I fear we, and the refugees, are both fecked.


  • #776
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Again... You gotta distance yourself from emotion.

    Most people would consider rafting the 5000 miles from Syria to Canada to have an inevitable outcome.

    How can anyone look at picture of dead child washed up on a beach distance themselves?


  • #777
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Tbh the picture sadly put no numbness on me.

    I have seen kids with no heads or skulls after being blown up when I worked around Palestine in 2006 being example.

    About 30,000 children die each day from preventable causes. Go into any hospital and some poor kids are dying of cancer etc.

    If that photo is what woke you up, welcome to the real world.

    EVENFLOW



  • #778
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Laughable to hear people saying they'd take in refugees from another country yet those same people would walk past or over a homeless person on the streets of Dublin on their way to dinner in some swanky restaurant.


  • #779
    kenco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭kenco


    Terrible tragedy and heartbreaking as that picture is even if we and other countries were taking in much more refugees than proposed would it have made a difference in this sad instance?

    The collective political blindness to what's been happening in Syria, etc has been shameful. There is a fundamental issue here which has not been addressed from long before Obamas line in the sand over use of chemical weapons....


  • #780
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    professore wrote: »
    Well she did offer ... more than you're doing. I'd take a child or 2 myself, would take an adult but haven't got room for them as our house is packed as it is.
    I'll take a whole load of refugees into my small spare room. They can have twelve hour shifts of sleeping and then working in the local hotels, restaurants and takeaways.



    Well I did offer!


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  • #781
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    The majority of these economic migrants are males under 35 who are in search of wealth in the west and will do whatever it takes to get there!

    Yes I'm sure that little boy couldn't wait to get his hands on a big pile of cash.


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