"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

Triangla · 03-09-2015 12:33PM

professore wrote: »

Do you drive a non electric car or use any plastic goods? Then you are also doing business with the Saudis.

Yes because every gallon of oil produced on the planet is from Saudi Arabia.

biko · 03-09-2015 12:38PM

Russia, SA and US produce aprox the same amount of oil each.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 12:38PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

RTE reporting just now that hundreds of "refugees" are laying on the train tracks in protest at being brought to Refugee camps in Hungary.

But I thought they were genuine refugees who were fleeing from war & that they would be happy knowing they were safe in a peaceful country? :rolleyes: If they were real refugees they would be happy to go where they were going. It's as clear as crystal that many are just economic migrants.

professore · 03-09-2015 12:38PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

It's a sad image of the boy but there isn't a chance in hell we should allow a mass wave of 'refugees' into this country. Why didn't they stay in the first peaceful country they reached & claim asylum there? Because the majority are not really 'refugees' but young single male chancers/economic migrants with possibly an ISIS member or two among them. Europe has gone too soft & too naive.

This could be a direct quote from Mein Kampf if it was written today. Do you have a toothbrush moustache by any chance?

professore · 03-09-2015 12:41PM

Triangla wrote: »

Yes because every gallon of oil produced on the planet is from Saudi Arabia.

So you can guarantee you've never used any Saudi petroleum products? Really? Where does it say that on the label? We get very little US oil here, most is from the Middle East and Russia.

Hurtbuthealing · 03-09-2015 12:42PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

But I thought they were genuine refugees who were fleeing from war & that they would be happy knowing they were safe in a peaceful country. :rolleyes:

The Hungarians have now moved them to a refugee camp to be documented etc.
I think the Hungarians have had enough of the shenanigans from these "refugees" and have decided to take decisive action.

handlemaster · 03-09-2015 12:44PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

But I thought they were genuine refugees who were fleeing from war & that they would be happy knowing they were safe in a peaceful country. :rolleyes: . It is as clear as crystal that many are just economic migrants.

Why do the Irish pass over one country for another ? Just because your fearing for your life doesnt mean your stupid. GERMANY is where most want to go for obvious reasons.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 12:46PM

professore wrote: »

This could be a direct quote from Mein Kampf if it was written today. Do you have a toothbrush moustache by any chance?

You should be doing stand up comedy. Although with jokes like that, the audience would probably be telling you to sit down.

Hurtbuthealing · 03-09-2015 12:47PM

handlemaster wrote: »

Why do the Irish pass over one country for another ? Just because your fearing for your life doesnt mean your stupid. GERMANY is where most want to go for obvious reasons.

The obvious reason being that they are not refugees, but economic migrants that have entered the EU illegally.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 12:48PM

professore wrote: »

This could be a direct quote from Mein Kampf if it was written today. Do you have a toothbrush moustache by any chance?

Before you 'godwin' yourself to bits reflect on these facts that you just shat on:

Only 18% of Asylum applications into the EU are considered legitimate & are granted.

80% of asylum applicants are under the age of 35.

75% if these are male.

FelineOverLord · 03-09-2015 12:50PM

conorhal wrote: »

These people bypass refugee camps, in fact the actively avoid them to ensure that they are not documented on their econimic migration west. What makes you think accepting people fome refugee camps will make a dent in the numbers crossing the Med?

The only possible way that it would, would be to refuse anybody crossing illegally and send them back for processing at UN regugee centers. Are you proposing that option?

I don't believe that in itself it will make a dent in the numbers crossing the Med, but it could be useful as part of a bigger strategy. Frankly, as long as the PC brigade keep insisting that everyone who wants into Europe should be allowed in no questions asked, then the people traffickers will stay in business. I don't like all the pro migrant journalism that's going on and I think it's obscene to show the childs corpse, if it had been an adult it wouldn't have been shown. Frankly, I think people should be fighting terrorism in their home countries. If everyone in WW2 had run away we'd all be speaking German. It's become too easy now.

03-09-2015 12:51PM

As the OP himself has noted, this thread is spiralling away from the image of the child and the Syrian conflict and just back to a bog standard pro or anti immigration thread.

Biffo The Bare · 03-09-2015 12:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

They're Kurdish.

So that somehow abdicates them from responsibility?
An irresponsible and selfish act for parents to put those kids on that boat. IMO.

handlemaster · 03-09-2015 12:52PM

Hurtbuthealing wrote: »

The obvious reason being that they are not refugees, but economic migrants that have entered the EU illegally.

Writing with the comfort of Ireland is easy. Do you think there is a safe life to be had in Syria ?

03-09-2015 12:52PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Frankly, as long as the PC brigade keep insisting that everyone who wants into Europe should be allowed in no questions asked, then the people traffickers will stay in business. I don't like all the pro migrant journalism that's going on and I think it's obscene to show the childs corpse, if it had been an adult it wouldn't have been shown.

In what recent conflict has the media declined to show adult victims?

professore · 03-09-2015 12:53PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Before you 'godwin' yourself to bits reflect on these facts that you just shat on:

Only 18% of Asylum applications into the EU are considered legitimate & are granted.

80% of asylum applicants are under the age of 35.

75% if these are male.

So you're comparing these with the humanitarian crisis in Syria? How is one related to the other?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 12:55PM

I dunno if we say stuff like look after our own then doesn't the unemployment situation apply here?

There is thousands of Irish people unemployed. Surely if we should look after our own we should get rid of foreign people working and employ Irish in these roles.

Is that not basically what were saying when we say we should look after our own first?

Samaris · 03-09-2015 12:57PM

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

So that somehow abdicates them from responsibility?
An irresponsible and selfish act for parents to put those kids on that boat. IMO.

What were they running away from? It's easy to judge from our safe little island what is or isn't an unreasonable risk to expose ours kids to, but if you're in a situation where it seems more reasonable to give likely a large part of your worldly wealth to someone to smuggle you to another country, you're probably not doing it because for a holiday.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 12:58PM

professore wrote: »

So you're comparing these with the humanitarian crisis in Syria? How is one related to the other?

Syrians are included in the stats I mentioned
They comprised of 20% of the 2014 asylum intake.
Afghani citizens accounted for 7 % of the total, while Kosovans and Eritrean citizens accounted for 6%.

FelineOverLord · 03-09-2015 12:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In what recent conflict has the media declined to show adult victims?

I didn't see any adult corpses carried out of the water. We all know that adults have drowned after paying traffickers but we don't see their bodies, we see body bags and that's enough.

Biffo The Bare · 03-09-2015 12:59PM

Samaris wrote: »

What were they running away from? It's easy to judge from our safe little island what is or isn't an unreasonable risk to expose ours kids to, but if you're in a situation where it seems more reasonable to give likely a large part of your worldly wealth to someone to smuggle you to another country, you're probably not doing it because for a holiday.

They were in Turkey. They weren't running away from anything.

FelineOverLord · 03-09-2015 01:00PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I dunno if we say stuff like look after our own then doesn't the unemployment situation apply here?

There is thousands of Irish people unemployed. Surely if we should look after our own we should get rid of foreign people working and employ Irish in these roles.

Is that not basically what were saying when we say we should look after our own first?

No, it's not what we're saying. A lot of foreign workers are doing jobs that many Irish workers feel they themselves are too good for. Too many would rather sit on the dole than work in a shop or restaurant.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 01:04PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Too many would rather sit on the dole than work in a shop or restaurant.

Up until last year there were an average of 27 applicants for every job created.

I wouldn't be too quick to sh*t on Irish people.

Nodin · 03-09-2015 01:05PM

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

So that somehow abdicates them from responsibility?
An irresponsible and selfish act for parents to put those kids on that boat. IMO.

You realise Kurds are persecuted in Turkey?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 01:05PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Up until last year there were an average of 27 applicants for every job created.

I wouldn't be too quick to sh*t on Irish people.

Kind of puts a hole in the we should look after our own first.

FelineOverLord · 03-09-2015 01:05PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Up until last year there were an average of 27 applicants for every job created.

I wouldn't be too quick to sh*t on Irish people.

I'm not shi*ting on anyone. How many of those 27 applicants per job were Irish, just out of curiosity?

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 01:09PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

I'm not shi*ting on anyone. How many of those 27 applicants per job were Irish, just out of curiosity?

Go find out.

But seeing as the vast majority of adults residing here happen to be Irish, I'd hazard a guess that the majority of job applications emailed around every day are probably from an Irish jobseeker.

Nodin · 03-09-2015 01:10PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Up until last year there were an average of 27 applicants for every job created.

I wouldn't be too quick to sh*t on Irish people.

You have to be, they tend to move out of the way otherwise.

mfceiling · 03-09-2015 01:12PM

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

They were in Turkey. They weren't running away from anything.

News saying that they had been refused visas for Canada so decided to get there illegally. Why did they decide to illegally enter Canada and not stay in Turkey? Surely they knew there was a huge risk in doing this.

Playboy · 03-09-2015 01:12PM

The heartlessness of some people shouldn't shock me but it still does. Since when did we all get so selfish? These are human beings, put yourself in their shoes for one moment instead of thinking about your own first world trivial problems.

Western foreign policy has destroyed that region. We have been assassinating democratically elected leaders, funding and training extremists, redrawing borders, supporting totalitarian regimes for self interest and the list goes on. The ME is a basket case as a direct consequence of colonialism and Imperialism. You cannot understand Al Qaeda, ISIS or any of these organisations in isolation outside of the wider context of western involvement in the region. Yes Islam and Wahabbism has had a part to play but we were happy to support it when it benefited us or we wanted to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. We are still best chums with the most extreme regimes in the ME because it suits our purposes. Syria is fcked as is Libya, Iraq and many more countries and the West shares a huge part of the responsibility for that.

Now we have the biggest displacement of people since WWII and all people care about is how its going to affect their lives, no concern given for suffering that people are going through. Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey have taken huge numbers of refugees and they are less able to cope than nearly ever country in Europe. What kind of example are we setting to our children when we can be so disinterested in a humanitarian crisis of this scale. Yes taking large amounts of refugees will cause problems but isnt that really a secondary concern... When you see someone being crushed under a car your first thought shouldnt be "Oh I might put my back out if I help lift that heavy car".

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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