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"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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  • #602
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I once posted a thread here in After hours about ISIS,

    In that thread the very first post had pictures and images to the attrocities that ISIS are carrying out daily.

    The links were removed by the moderation team.

    Now im not questioning the moderation of that thread at all, im merely pointing out how emotions can effect people and some will use those emotions to manipulate and use for propaganda.


  • #603
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    I already said it. It affected me more than other pictures have. Why? I don't know. Cos I'm a human being with feelings and emotions that I can't really understand or explain rationally, and stark picture of a dead three year old who didn't drown in some random accident but due to a war his family were trying to escape, made me feel emotional??

    Why should I explain myself? This thread has gone the way I really hoped it wouldn't.

    If I check your posts will I find a history of you supporting refugees and demanding we let them all in?


  • #604
    Hurtbuthealing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Hurtbuthealing


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    I already said it. It affected me more than other pictures have. Why? I don't know. Cos I'm a human being with feelings and emotions that I can't really understand or explain rationally, and stark picture of a dead three year old who didn't drown in some random accident but due to a war his family were trying to escape, made me feel emotional??

    Why should I explain myself? This thread has gone the way I really hoped it wouldn't.

    He did not die escaping a war , he was already in a safe country, please do not misrepresent the facts.


  • #605
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Boring username wrote: »
    I've created a new superthread here for anyone who wants to discuss the migrant crisis. The OP is right, we shouldn't be arguing our various points revolving around the picture of a dead child.

    Migrant crisis 2015 superthread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96864695#post96864695
    MOD: There's already threads in the Politics and Politics Café forums. By rights this should also be there, but there's the hope that people might discuss the OP and not what is covered in the other forums.


  • #606
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    But propaganda for what? What's the big secret here, what wool is being pulled over our eyes? What's the trick?

    The media are using it to highlight the refugee problem - good.

    It might make people and governments more open to helping to ease the crises - good.

    It might shake people to their very core and make them understand there are worse things going on than in their lives - good.


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  • #607
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    I won't be giving anyone a room in my house except for family and Irish homeless which I do every other xmas and for three weeks this Spring. What I will do is support strong governance on the issue and im willing as a taxpayer to pay a little extra to build massive fugee camps in the first EU country they reach and temporary accommodation until their own countries get their stuff together.

    Also why isn't Enda the other EU leaders standing up and making statements about the cause of all this misery, the arming of rebels/ISIS by the US in an attempt to overthrow Assad. Oh that's right we might lose some trade or direct foreign investment if we tell the truth about the cause of this mess.

    They would be waiting a long time to go back to syria /iraq. . Camps of this nature would only fester for decades and are not a solution


  • #608
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    Well that didn't last long, closed before anyone could reply:



    Migrant crisis 2015 superthread


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057487616


    Sorry OP, I tried to create somewhere that the discussion wouldn't revolve around point scoring and propaganda of a dead toddler.


  • #609
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I've seen no such thing broadcast anywhere.....links/proof?

    http://news.yahoo.com/migrants-using-fake-syrian-passports-enter-eu-border-094700556.html


  • #610
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Of course they aren't as bad but don't deny we have massive problems within our own borders because that's just burying your head in the sand.

    If we had no problems here and 1% unemployment and a proper health system etc.. I'd have no problem taking a limited number of Syrians in. Fact is our own country is wrecked by years of pathetic governance.

    I'm not burying my head anywhere.....I'm just reacting to those who seem to want to believe our country is about to fall apart and that an economic fall, which is now on the way back up, is in some way comparable to what war and ISIS have done and are doing in the Middle East.


  • #611
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gandalf wrote: »
    No I am saying you are posting up conspiracy theory crap that is deflecting the topic of this thread.

    I don't give a flying fig what organisation Peter Sutherland is a member of. He could be a member of the Mickey Mouse Club for all I care.

    What conspiracy theory?

    I pointed out that a man who is part of a secret organisation such as Bilderberg whom politicians including our own attend regularly is somehow strangely the mouth piece for the UN of migration.

    That same man demands Europe let them all in despite accepting that 1/3 are bogus and at the same time makes no similar demands on the Rich Arab countries to do likewise.

    There is no claims of conspiracy here, I am just quoting FACTS.


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  • #612
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    That being true, infinite, unchecked, unverified population transfers isn't the solution

    I didn't say it was.

    I've admitted I don't know what the right solution is....but refusing them entry and sending them home isn't it either.


  • #613
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    MOD: Irishfreeview, stop with the conspiracy theories. They've nothing to do with the topic.


  • #614
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I didn't say it was.

    I've admitted I don't know what the right solution is....but refusing them entry and sending them home isn't it either.

    Who said 'home'

    Just the point of origin, which is rarely actually Syria itself, but a transit country.


  • #615
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I'm not burying my head anywhere.....I'm just reacting to those who seem to want to believe our country is about to fall apart and that an economic fall, which is now on the way back up, is in some way comparable to what war and ISIS have done and are doing in the Middle East.

    We cant house our own people, how do we house refugees? Are you offering a bedroom?

    We cant find employment for most of our own people, are you prepared for tax rises to pay for these refuges to live off social?

    Our schools are struggling with funding, are you prepared for your own children/grandchildren to fall behind in oversized classrooms so that resources can be diverted to educate these children who speak no English?

    Are you prepared to have your health be put at risk as hospitals who are overstretched have to accommodate thousands more people who will need inoculations, health care, hospital access?

    Are you prepared to accept the cultural differences between our people, these refugees have their own customs and religious requirements, they will want Hal Hal meat which means the forced suffering of animal welfare, they will want mosques and with the call of prayer blasting out around the area they are located.

    Are you prepared for terrorist attacks, already in European countries Islamic terrorists are coming in to train or create atrocities against western countries.


  • #616
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that no matter what the current problems some people still manage to make it about themselves and try to attribute blame to rich people in a disgusting effort to score political points

    And screaming propaganda at every opportunity. I wonder do they even realise that they're propagandists themselves. Probably not, obsessive agendas consume all rational thought.


  • #617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Normally to identify a dead child you would have a parents missing report, of some form of Identification.

    If all that fails you can do gene and DNA tests.

    Ah so relations contact the authorities, maybe say where they've last seen the child, and they make the connection that way?

    Guess what, Syrian children have relations too, who love and cherish them just as much as Irish families, and are just as desperate when they know those children are on a boat and hear of drownings.

    Or do you think Syrians are just more casual about their dead children?

    I've attended a few coroner's courts after drownings and I've not heard of DNA or gene tests being done. Should they do them on Syrians, because well you know how those foreign types lie about identity to trick you into believing that it might actually be a drowned boy on a beach.

    Why don't you extend your conspiracy theory that we're all being duped a little bit further and make the point that it could all be photoshopped?


  • #618
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We cant house our own people, how do we house refugees? Are you offering a bedroom?

    We cant find employment for most of our own people, are you prepared for tax rises to pay for these refuges to live off social?

    Our schools are struggling with funding, are you prepared for your own children/grandchildren to fall behind in oversized classrooms so that resources can be diverted to educate these children who speak no English?

    Are you prepared to have your health be put at risk as hospitals who are overstretched have to accommodate thousands more people who will need inoculations, health care, hospital access?

    Are you prepared to accept the cultural differences between our people, these refugees have their own customs and religious requirements, they will want Hal Hal meat which means the forced suffering of animal welfare, they will want mosques and with the call of prayer blasting out around the area they are located.

    Are you prepared for terrorist attacks, already in European countries Islamic terrorists are coming in to train or create atrocities against western countries.

    Well you can build a great wall of China and pretend the other civilizations don't exist. And then your civilization can lag behind in it's self sufficient backwardness.


  • #619
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    kstand wrote: »
    Saw this a few minutes ago, chilled me to the bone. That could be my son, an innocent little child in a pair of shorts and a tshirt.

    cliché and all that; but all I saw was my little man face down.


  • #620
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    But propaganda for what? What's the big secret here, what wool is being pulled over our eyes? What's the trick?

    The media are using it to highlight the refugee problem - good.

    It might make people and governments more open to helping to ease the crises - good.

    It might shake people to their very core and make them understand there are worse things going on than in their lives - good.

    Clearly the intetion is to let these people in, and due to the lack of any measures to stop the crisis in the Med these people will be coming in for a considerable number of years.

    As to why, well you can only guess.

    But it could be,

    Political reasons, Votes.
    Economic reasons, Cheap Labour.

    In Ireland during our boom years we had a housing boom, a housing boom that was fueled by the influx of Eastern European migration into Ireland, they came so we built.


    Butt whatever the reasons you can guarantee it isn't because our politicians have all of a sudden gained a conscience.

    These same politicians gave permission for their airspace, or military to bomb the crap out of the middle east and kill many innocent people over the years.

    Our same politicians don't even care for the current homeless on the streets, so I doubt for one second they care for thousands of refugees.


  • #621
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We cant house our own people, how do we house refugees? Are you offering a bedroom?

    We cant find employment for most of our own people, are you prepared for tax rises to pay for these refuges to live off social?

    Our schools are struggling with funding, are you prepared for your own children/grandchildren to fall behind in oversized classrooms so that resources can be diverted to educate these children who speak no English?

    Are you prepared to have your health be put at risk as hospitals who are overstretched have to accommodate thousands more people who will need inoculations, health care, hospital access?

    Are you prepared to accept the cultural differences between our people, these refugees have their own customs and religious requirements, they will want Hal Hal meat which means the forced suffering of animal welfare, they will want mosques and with the call of prayer blasting out around the area they are located.

    Are you prepared for terrorist attacks, already in European countries Islamic terrorists are coming in to train or create atrocities against western countries.

    If it means one less child will drown in the ocean, YES.


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  • #622
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    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Well you can build a great wall of China and pretend the other civilizations don't exist. And then your civilization can lag behind in it's self sufficient backwardness.

    So your now claiming that we would lag behind these refugees?

    Remember where they came from.

    A land where homosexuality condemns you death.

    Where Women have no legal rights and can be stoned to death.


  • #623
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    gandalf wrote: »
    Apologies if I did I am just used to a certain "grouping" of posters throwing threads off topic whenever anything touches on their favourite subjects ;)



    I think we do need to radically sort out our immigration handling system to allow those who are genuine refugees through the system a lot quicker than they are current so they do contribute to the country. Bringing in Syrians to just let them rot for up to 10 years in direct provision would be a disgusting waste of potential for this country.
    We need to develop a system where asylum seekers are detained in reception centres so they can not just "vanish" and decisions are made within 6 months and those decisions must be final with no further appeal and lead to deportation!

    Ireland has about 1200 in direct provision but there are thousands more who are living in rented accommodation and have been given social welfare payments with many being given disability benefit and all the ancillary benefits.

    Most of those claiming to be "Syrian" asylum seekers in the UK are found to be from Iran or Afghanistan or other countries that people can not apply for asylum from
    Boring username wrote: »
    You do realise they had already reached the safe country of Turkey, and yes, chose to attempt an extremely dangerous and unnecessary raft journey in an attempt to reach European shores?

    Try taking a deep breath and using logic, instead of emotional hysteria. It's obviously very tragic that a child has died here, but why the hell did the parents endanger their child here? Why would they do that, they were safe in Turkey?
    They are all doing it for a better life which we as Irish people can understand BUT economic migrants are not asylum seekers and actually take from people who genuinely require asylum!


  • #624
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We cant house our own people, how do we house refugees? Are you offering a bedroom?

    We cant find employment for most of our own people, are you prepared for tax rises to pay for these refuges to live off social?

    Our schools are struggling with funding, are you prepared for your own children/grandchildren to fall behind in oversized classrooms so that resources can be diverted to educate these children who speak no English?

    Are you prepared to have your health be put at risk as hospitals who are overstretched have to accommodate thousands more people who will need inoculations, health care, hospital access?

    Are you prepared to accept the cultural differences between our people, these refugees have their own customs and religious requirements, they will want Hal Hal meat which means the forced suffering of animal welfare, they will want mosques and with the call of prayer blasting out around the area they are located.

    Are you prepared for terrorist attacks, already in European countries Islamic terrorists are coming in to train or create atrocities against western countries.

    Of course I'm not prepared to allow any of those happen....except the highlighted section because that's what cultural integration and acceptance is about. I don't for a second believe animal welfare or our own cultural requirements would suffer.

    The thing is I really don't believe Ireland is in such dire straights that any of these are likely to happen.

    Of course there are problems but I don't believe that we are as near to Third World level as you and others claim.


  • #625
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    If it means one less child will drown in the ocean, YES.

    But it wont.

    Children die everyday.

    Allowing one continent to invade another wont change that, we cant even stop child abuse/deaths in our own countries.


  • #626
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    My name is URL wrote: »
    You should be more concerned about the Irish 'economic migrants' leaving the place every year after finishing college

    We spend millions on educating people to the highest degree in all sorts of fields and yet rely on migrants to fill positions, while our own lot piss off to Singapore or Australia for a somewhat better lifestyle with more sunshine.

    I am one of those myself however one has to do so legally and comply with what ever rules and laws laid down by newly adopted country. This is why I am quite strict on those that flout the rules.


  • #627
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We cant house our own people, how do we house refugees? Are you offering a bedroom?

    We cant find employment for most of our own people, are you prepared for tax rises to pay for these refuges to live off social?

    Our schools are struggling with funding, are you prepared for your own children/grandchildren to fall behind in oversized classrooms so that resources can be diverted to educate these children who speak no English?

    Are you prepared to have your health be put at risk as hospitals who are overstretched have to accommodate thousands more people who will need inoculations, health care, hospital access?

    Are you prepared to accept the cultural differences between our people, these refugees have their own customs and religious requirements, they will want Hal Hal meat which means the forced suffering of animal welfare, they will want mosques and with the call of prayer blasting out around the area they are located.

    Are you prepared for terrorist attacks, already in European countries Islamic terrorists are coming in to train or create atrocities against western countries.

    *Complains about propaganda, proceeds with own propaganda*


  • #628
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    They are risking their lives not to flee to safety, that exists in the refugee camps they are leaving (by paying traffickers by the way).

    They want to gain entry to europe, and why would they not? I would if I was them.

    Europe however shouldn’t just except anyone reckless enough to pay traffickers, and travel illegally will no intention of ever returning home.

    Or perhaps people think that is a good policy, how many then would you take into Europe, 1 million? 2 million? 100 million? 200 million?

    Pick a number, there is no shortage of desperate people in the world, who are not European.


  • #629
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Of course I'm not prepared to allow any of those happen....except the highlighted section because that's what cultural integration and acceptance is about. I don't for a second believe animal welfare or our own cultural requirements would suffer.

    The thing is I really don't believe Ireland is in such dire straights that any of these are likely to happen.

    Of course there are problems but I don't believe that we are as near to Third World level as you and others claim.

    But we dont want to culturally intergrate,

    Why should we?

    You want to allow animals to die suffering in Pain because some backward refugee allows religion to dictate how they can eat meat?

    Our country is moving forward, accepting backwards people who demand women be stoned or homosexuals be hung is not the way to go.


  • #630
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So your now claiming that we would lag behind these refugees?

    Remember where they came from.

    A land where homosexuality condemns you death.

    Where Women have no legal rights and can be stoned to death.
    I read some of your other posts and I don't think I want to debate with you.


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  • #631
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I feel a little sick.

    That photo is like a punch to the stomach. It should be the wake up call in the same way that the photo of a child waiting to die as vultures gathered came to define a part of the 80s.

    That photo was staged.


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