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"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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  • #572
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I've seen no such thing broadcast anywhere.....links/proof?

    Try and find a copy of the broadcast this morning of Sky News.

    Eamon Holmes interviewed Peter Sutherland who is the UN`s Special Envoy (:rolleyes:) on Migration.

    Eamon pointed the 1/3 figure out, Peter agreed.


  • #573
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The child's father survived and identified the child or is it just all a big gubbermint conspiracy??

    How convenient, the child father survived.

    Wow, give that man father of the year.

    If my child was drowning in the water I would do everything I could to save them or die trying.


  • #574
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How convenient, the child father survived.

    Wow, give that man father of the year.

    If my child was drowning in the water I would do everything I could to save them or die trying.

    Sorry, I don't get what you're saying here. You're saying he didn't try and save his own child?


  • #575
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,768 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How convenient, the child father survived.

    Wow, give that man father of the year.

    If my child was drowning in the water I would do everything I could to save them or die trying.

    You know for a fact that he didn't I presume. You should get some extra large rolls of tin foil. Makes a much more effective hat.


  • #576
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Normally to identify a dead child you would have a parents missing report, of some form of Identification.

    If all that fails you can do gene and DNA tests.

    I doubt any of those procedures have been carried out and I doubt any ID papers or missing reports were found on the child.

    So the authorities have jumped the gun and declared the child as Syrian along with the images to tug on the heart strings on people watching this event. That is propaganda and people should wake up and question why.

    This morning on Sky News Peter Sutherland had the point made to him that 1/3 of these refugees are not in fact genuine Asylum seekers, his response was generally so what, ignore that and let them in.

    Do you honestly think someone like Peter Sutherland who regularly attends Bilderberg meetings honestly cares about this dead child?
    The child's brother and mother were are drowned. The father survived so am sure he could confirm where his family are from. Catch yourself on with this nonsense


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  • #577
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    You can't seriously compare the problems in this country with what these migrants have suffered.

    We are nowhere near as badly off here as we would like to think.

    The ignorance and self entitlement in this country baffles me sometimes.

    Yeah, Ireland's being a real paradise these last few years.

    Our welfare system is broke

    Our health system is broke

    Our housing system is broke

    Our mental health system is broke

    Our employment system is broke

    Our "free education" system is broke

    I could go on but im sure you get the picture or maybe you don't because of the life you are living is okay.

    Question for you. Who do you think is responsible for this crisis?


  • #578
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How convenient, the child father survived.

    Wow, give that man father of the year.

    If my child was drowning in the water I would do everything I could to save them or die trying.

    How ignorant of you....how do you know he did nothing?


  • #579
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    So they weren't even trying to reach Europe:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/refugee-crisis-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-turkey-trying-to-reach-canada


  • #580
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Yeah, Ireland's being a real paradise these last few years.

    Our welfare system is broke

    Our health system is broke

    Our housing system is broke

    Our mental health system is broke

    Our employment system is broke

    Our "free education" system is broke

    I could go on but im sure you get the picture or maybe you don't because of the life you are living is okay.

    Question for you. Who do you think is responsible for this crisis?

    Firstly nothing is broke. If it was broke then no one would be getting ANY SERVICES!

    Get off the cross.

    Secondly we are not a warzone.

    DO YOU GET THE PICTURE!


  • #581
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Yeah, Ireland's being a real paradise these last few years.

    Our welfare system is broke

    Our health system is broke

    Our housing system is broke

    Our mental health system is broke

    Our employment system is broke

    Our "free education" system is broke

    I could go on but im sure you get the picture or maybe you don't because of the life you are living is okay.

    Question for you. Who do you think is responsible for this crisis?

    I didn't say things were peachy, I just they are nowhere near as bad as you are trying to make out.

    Less of the dramatics please.


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  • #582
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That picture is heartbreaking. Not much would get me close to tears but that picture did.


  • #583
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I didn't say things were peachy, I just they are nowhere near as bad as you are trying to make out.

    Less of the dramatics please.

    No they are bad. Maybe not in your neck of the woods but we are a failed state for many of our peoples.


  • #584
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I've seen no such thing broadcast anywhere.....links/proof?

    All the 2014 data is here
    http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/mobile/index.php#Page?title=Asylum statistics&lg=en
    Decisions on asylum applications

    In 2014, close to half (45 %) of EU-28 first instance asylum decisions resulted in positive outcomes, that is grants of refugee or subsidiary protection status, or an authorisation to stay for humanitarian reasons....This share was considerably lower (18 %) for final decisions (based on appeal or review).


  • #585
    Hurtbuthealing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Hurtbuthealing


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I didn't say things were peachy, I just they are nowhere near as bad as you are trying to make out.

    Less of the dramatics please.

    Tell that to the over 1,000 children in Dublin currently classified as homeless.
    Tell them they are being over dramatic just because they are sleeping in cars, or hostels, or industrial units.


  • #586
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Hurtbuthealing wrote: »
    sleeping in cars, or hostels, or industrial units.

    Not beaches then.


  • #587
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So instead of addressing the points you would rather ignore them.

    Sounds like Europe`s Immigration policy.

    No it sounds like you are throwing out random illogical theories with no real back up at all just to suit your agenda that the media is spewing propaganda influenced by Bilderberg, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Stonecutters or whatever other secret organisation is rubbing the crotch of the lads in this forum today!


  • #588
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    I don't start many posts on AH to be honest. This picture affected me in a way that other haven't to the same degree. I'll be honest with that statement. I've seen many, many heart aching pictures. I felt sad, sorry, but I moved on.

    With this picture I did what an earlier poster did and just stared into space for a long, long time. I couldn't wait for my kids to come home to I could hug them. I stared at them asleep in their warm beds for longer than normal.

    I'll put my hand up and say I posted this because it affected me more than I have been affected before, and it led me to action. I donated, I pledged, and even though I'm currently sporting a fractured foot I want to make to to the march to call on the government to bring in more refugees.

    Why did this particular image haunt you more than any other image of children in death?

    Children die everyday, some through the most horrific reasons. And yet you and the TV broadcasters only felt compelled to highlight this particular image?

    I'm not doubting your honestly, this image has been broadcast to get the emotion you felt, to make you question if we should help these people get to Europe and stay here.

    But you need to step outside of your emotions for one moment and question why this image, why out of all the images that media broadcasters get each and everyday did they choose this particular image.

    Two weeks ago a plane flying in an Air show in the UK crashed, despite not being able to see much the recording was cut short, you were not allowed to see any dead bodies.

    Last Week a TV reporter in America was shot dead live in TV, again did the TV stations show any bodies?

    But a child washes up ashore, this child so happens to be linked to the current refugee crisis in Europe and they chose to show the images of this dead child.

    Its called Manipulation and propaganda.

    There is an agenda being played here, its the agenda that has ferried thousands of so called asylum seekers across the Mediterranean, tear up asylum processing rules and allow these people to settle in Europe without question.

    On the news we keep seeing reports on men/women and children, told of their plight despite there only being a handful of them and ignoring that the majority of these people are young men. WHY? Because highlighting the small number of families pulls on the heart strings way more than chatting to a 23 year old lad who has a mobile phone, money for train tickets and just wants to live and work hard in Europe. But yet if you pull yourself away from the emotional propaganda for just one minute you can see this for yourself.


  • #589
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    So they weren't even trying to reach Europe:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/refugee-crisis-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-turkey-trying-to-reach-canada

    THis is just pathetic, were this family really trying to reach Canada from the med?

    Seriously people need to cop on with this propaganda, and why were these people wanting Canada, if your are genuine refugees would your only priority not be finding a safe country?


  • #590
    Annabella1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    This could be a big game changer for all of Europe
    It's only a matter of time before they start arriving here
    Incredibly complex problem


  • #591
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    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gandalf wrote: »
    No it sounds like you are throwing out random illogical theories with no real back up at all just to suit your agenda that the media is spewing propaganda influenced by Bilderberg, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Stonecutters or whatever other secret organisation is rubbing the crotch of the lads in this forum today!

    Are you saying Peter Sutherland isnt a member of Bilderberg?

    Michael O’Leary, Peter Sutherland attend Bilderberg conference

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/michael-o-leary-peter-sutherland-attend-bilderberg-conference-1.2244796


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  • #592
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    No they are bad. Maybe not in your neck of the woods but we are a failed state for many of our peoples.
    Tell that to the over 1,000 children in Dublin currently classified as homeless.
    Tell them they are being over dramatic just because they are sleeping in cars, or hostels, or industrial units.

    Once again I did not say there are not problems here, of course there are.

    But trying to pretend that they are as bad as what these people fleeing from is at best woefully ignorant.


  • #593
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    propaganda

    Seriously, leave it outside. I'm intelligent enough to not be manipulated by the press. Whether it was deliberately shown by the press or not, this picture made me, and thousands other, feel something.

    That's it. End of.


  • #594
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you saying Peter Sutherland isnt a member of Bilderberg?

    Michael O’Leary, Peter Sutherland attend Bilderberg conference

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/michael-o-leary-peter-sutherland-attend-bilderberg-conference-1.2244796

    No I am saying you are posting up conspiracy theory crap that is deflecting the topic of this thread.

    I don't give a flying fig what organisation Peter Sutherland is a member of. He could be a member of the Mickey Mouse Club for all I care.


  • #595
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why did this particular image haunt you more than any other image of children in death?

    Children die everyday, some through the most horrific reasons. And yet you and the TV broadcasters only felt compelled to highlight this particular image?

    I'm not doubting your honestly, this image has been broadcast to get the emotion you felt, to make you question if we should help these people get to Europe and stay here.

    But you need to step outside of your emotions for one moment and question why this image, why out of all the images that media broadcasters get each and everyday did they choose this particular image.

    Two weeks ago a plane flying in an Air show in the UK crashed, despite not being able to see much the recording was cut short, you were not allowed to see any dead bodies.

    Last Week a TV reporter in America was shot dead live in TV, again did the TV stations show any bodies?

    But a child washes up ashore, this child so happens to be linked to the current refugee crisis in Europe and they chose to show the images of this dead child.

    Its called Manipulation and propaganda.

    There is an agenda being played here, its the agenda that has ferried thousands of so called asylum seekers across the Mediterranean, tear up asylum processing rules and allow these people to settle in Europe without question.

    On the news we keep seeing reports on men/women and children, told of their plight despite there only being a handful of them and ignoring that the majority of these people are young men. WHY? Because highlighting the small number of families pulls on the heart strings way more than chatting to a 23 year old lad who has a mobile phone, money for train tickets and just wants to live and work hard in Europe. But yet if you pull yourself away from the emotional propaganda for just one minute you can see this for yourself.


    Same reason we didn't see the bodies of dead kids in the ruins of Gaza city after Israel slaughtered them. Agenda shaping.

    We are on the cusp here of making a terrible mistake and letting million of these people into Europe many without a single document. Of course they won't be housed in the leafy suburbs of South Dublin but in West Dublin, Tallaght, Darndale and other areas already struggling and coping with the remains of the financial crisis that exploded in their communities.


  • #596
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    I've created a new superthread here for anyone who wants to discuss the migrant crisis. The OP is right, we shouldn't be arguing our various points revolving around the picture of a dead child.

    Migrant crisis 2015 superthread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96864695#post96864695


  • #597
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Seriously, leave it outside. I'm intelligent enough to not be manipulated by the press. Whether it was deliberately shown by the press or not, this picture made me, and thousands other, feel something.

    That's it. End of.

    Despite ignoring all of the points in my post you failed to answer this one.

    Why out of all the pictures and images of children dying daily did you feel compelled to post this particular image?

    Further to that,

    Why does the media only focus on this particualr story?

    For instance

    British boy, aged four, drowns in Spanish villa swimming pool while playing with other children Happened two weeks ago.


    Anyone post anything about that? Oh, right I forgot, it cant fit the refugee agenda.


  • #598
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Once again I did not say there are not problems here, of course there are.

    But trying to pretend that they are as bad as what these people fleeing from is at best woefully ignorant.


    Of course they aren't as bad but don't deny we have massive problems within our own borders because that's just burying your head in the sand.

    If we had no problems here and 1% unemployment and a proper health system etc.. I'd have no problem taking a limited number of Syrians in. Fact is our own country is wrecked by years of pathetic governance.


  • #599
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Same reason we didn't see the bodies of dead kids in the ruins of Gaza city after Israel slaughtered them. Agenda shaping.

    We are on the cusp here of making a terrible mistake and letting million of these people into Europe many without a single document. Of course they won't be housed in the leafy suburbs of South Dublin but in West Dublin, Tallaght, Darndale and other areas already struggling and coping with the remains of the financial crisis that exploded in their communities.

    I find it hilarious that no matter what the current problems some people still manage to make it about themselves and try to attribute blame to rich people in a disgusting effort to score political points


  • #600
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    I already said it. It affected me more than other pictures have. Why? I don't know. Cos I'm a human being with feelings and emotions that I can't really understand or explain rationally, and stark picture of a dead three year old who didn't drown in some random accident but due to a war his family were trying to escape, made me feel emotional??

    Why should I explain myself? This thread has gone the way I really hoped it wouldn't.


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  • #601
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    But trying to pretend that they are as bad as what these people fleeing from is at best woefully ignorant.

    That being true, infinite, unchecked, unverified population transfers isn't the solution


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