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"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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  • #542
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why not find a safe Muslim country without the risks of crossing a dangerous sea?

    Because a lot of the rich Muslim states aren't allowing them in.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

    It is particularly sickening as some of them are providing funding to organisations who are directly involved in the murder and mayhem in Syria (and Iraq).


  • #543
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    This is nonsense. They "chose"? Really? You were there when they decided they didn't want to live in oppression, under fear of beheadings, bombings, death and disease?

    Leave your cynicism at the door for five minutes. Look for a spark of humanity instead.


    You do realise they had already reached the safe country of Turkey, and yes, chose to attempt an extremely dangerous and unnecessary raft journey in an attempt to reach European shores?

    Try taking a deep breath and using logic, instead of emotional hysteria. It's obviously very tragic that a child has died here, but why the hell did the parents endanger their child here? Why would they do that, they were safe in Turkey?


  • #544
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The boy is being widely reported as 3 year old Syrian Kurd Aylan Kurdi.

    Google Syria and Kurds if you are completely unaware of the persecution of Syrian Kurds. As he is dead, we cannot ask him what he faced.

    And how did they know this?

    Can you tell where people are from by looking at their facial features? Wouldn't that be called racist if we Identified people on how they looked?

    Of course they are claiming the child to be a Syrian Kurd, it fits in great with the propaganda, of course it also ignores the obvious question of why then the family chose to come to Europe and risk their lives instead of heading towards Kurdistan which is safe and full of kurds.


  • #545
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    I don't drink. I don't watch X factor and im a motorcyclist. Nice try all the same.

    Care to address the issue?

    My post was in response to your "well thank god they aren't coming here" comment. Yeah, would be a massive inconvenience wouldn't it? Like, I might have to get off my arse and care about something.

    /sarcasm.


  • #546
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Boring username wrote: »
    You do realise they had already reached the safe country of Turkey, and yes, chose to attempt an extremely dangerous and unnecessary raft journey in an attempt to reach European shores?

    Try taking a deep breath and using logic, instead of emotional hysteria. It's obviously very tragic that a child has died here, but why the hell did the parents endanger their child here? Why would they do that, they were safe in Turkey?

    Do you know they were safe in Turkey? Did they have a choice? Were they hustled from here to there by the traffickers without actually knowing where they were, or what country they were in? It's not like they saw an airport arrivals hall.

    Jeez.


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  • #547
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And how did they know this?

    Can you tell where people are from by looking at their facial features? Wouldn't that be called racist if we Identified people on how they looked?

    Of course they are claiming the child to be a Syrian Kurd, it fits in great with the propaganda, of course it also ignores the obvious question of why then the family chose to come to Europe and risk their lives instead of heading towards Kurdistan which is safe and full of kurds.

    Oh give over with the propaganda. I started this thread, as you may have read, with "no politics, no societal issues". Just a picture of something that shouldn't happen. This isn't the time to be cynical.


  • #548
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    "Sergio wrote:
    Back on topic, if Germany are going to take 800,000 then we should take just as many per capita as they are.

    Taking in a number equivalent to the population of Waterford City, per year, with no endgame in sight, mostly comprising of young unemployed males, with zero mention on the city sized need for housing or other services.

    Madness Jeff.


  • #549
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    When the head of the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees in Germany said that 'there can be no upper limit on compassion or the intake of people fleeing persicution' we were through the looking glass.

    Yes the picture is sad, but it's also a patent attempt to emotionally manipulate it's audience into ignoring some stark realities.

    There may be no upper limit on compassion, but there is a practical one.

    Currently there are 400 asylum seekers in direct provision that have been granted asylum status but given leave to remain in direct provision here as they can't find any housing. Things are also reaching a breaking point in Germany as evidenced from this video:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a65_1441034785

    There's no need to post footage from Hungary, I'm sure everybody's seen it and no amount of emotive bleating changes the fact that Syrians are 'fleeing' Turkey to Greece, where this childs family set out from and doubtless would have continued to flee Hungary, untill they had fled as economic migrants all the way to Germany.

    This mass migration is unsustainable, and needs to be tackled at source, so no quotas should be agreed or accepted without addressing the root cause is this crisis, otherwise it's solving the problem of a leaky bucket by simply pouring more water into it.


  • #550
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gandalf wrote: »
    Because a lot of the rich Muslim states aren't allowing them in.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

    It is particular sickening as some of them are providing funding to organisations who are directly involved in the murder and mayhem in Syria (and Iraq).

    So rich safe Muslim countries wont let these people in despite sharing similar cultures and religious backgrounds, but Europe still recovering from a recession and largely Christian has to?

    I watched Peter Sutherland on Sky news this morning, demanding Europe lets them in without any restrictions, but not once did he call for Muslim countries to do likewise despite it being much safer for them to get too.

    Why do you think that is?


  • #551
    Hurtbuthealing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Hurtbuthealing


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    My post was in response to your "well thank god they aren't coming here" comment. Yeah, would be a massive inconvenience wouldn't it? Like, I might have to get off my arse and care about something.

    /sarcasm.

    Bearing in mind we cannot house our own people, or find work for our own people, or provide proper medical care for our people, then yes, thank God they are not coming here and shame on the Government for offering to take in 1,000 of them and give them priority over our own citizens.


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  • #552
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Hurtbuthealing wrote: »
    Bearing in mind we cannot house our own people, or find work for our own people, or provide proper medical care for our people, then yes, thank God they are not coming here and shame on the Government for offering to take in 1,000 of them and give them priority over our own citizens.

    That's a sickening comment. Heartless and sickening. Your kids aren't being washed up on the shore, are they?


  • #553
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And how did they know this?

    Can you tell where people are from by looking at their facial features? Wouldn't that be called racist if we Identified people on how they looked?

    Of course they are claiming the child to be a Syrian Kurd, it fits in great with the propaganda, of course it also ignores the obvious question of why then the family chose to come to Europe and risk their lives instead of heading towards Kurdistan which is safe and full of kurds.

    Oh I'm not sure.

    But of course if an Irish child drowned, or a Brazilian child drowned, I'm sure they would be identified rather quickly. I'm not sure there is any set procedure, but suspect they would.

    In Syria, I guess they also have ways of identifying children. Maybe they love them just as much as we do ours, remember their faces, take photos, know where they are going, have phones and so on. So for example relations would know and on seeing the news would come forward, or maybe the parents had some identification documents.

    I find your post a bit strange. Do you think children from poorer countries are less deserving of an identity? Or that people from poorer countries aren't really that bothered about their dead?


  • #554
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Oh give over with the propaganda. I started this thread, as you may have read, with "no politics, no societal issues". Just a picture of something that shouldn't happen. This isn't the time to be cynical.

    You highlighted the image of a dead child, and with that image we are supposed to accept thousands of asylum seekers in without question?

    It does not work like that.

    The image sad that it is, is being used for propaganda, you yourself have fallen into the trap.

    How many images of those children dying daily in Syria have you posted?


  • #555
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You highlighted the image of a dead child, and with that image we are supposed to accept thousands of asylum seekers in without question?

    It does not work like that.

    The image sad that it is, is being used for propaganda, you yourself have fallen into the trap.

    How many images of those children dying daily in Syria have you posted?

    I posted this link and picture because I searched through AH and couldn't find any other post on it. So.


  • #556
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You highlighted the image of a dead child, and with that image we are supposed to accept thousands of asylum seekers in without question?

    Who here said "because of this picture, we should accept migrants".

    For me, its because there is a humanitarian crisis in which 250,000 so far have died. Not because someone took a snap.


  • #557
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    People viewing this image should think of one word.

    Propaganda.


    Why do you think you were shown this image, why do you think the Broadcasters are feeding this particular image and video morning noon and night?

    Propaganda

    And its working.

    A dead child pulls on the heart strings of every decent person and they know this. But instead of people questioning what led to this child's death and where are the parent we are being led down the path of letting them all in.

    The problem is that the parents of this child chose to risk their lives and that of their child to cross a sea to a foreign land. Even if Europe was standing at the shores with a welcoming committee this child would still have met the same fate.

    We either land our troops in Africa and allow refugees to board naval bound for Europe safely, or we land troops and create large refugee camps and stop them coming to Europe whilst creating a safe haven.

    I know. It's as if there was some kind meeting today at France and Germany's insistance to discuss 'burden sharing' the migrant influx or something.
    An influx the Germans invited by taking the doors off the hinges.


  • #558
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Hurtbuthealing wrote: »
    Bearing in mind we cannot house our own people, or find work for our own people, or provide proper medical care for our people, then yes, thank God they are not coming here and shame on the Government for offering to take in 1,000 of them and give them priority over our own citizens.

    You can't seriously compare the problems in this country with what these migrants have suffered.

    We are nowhere near as badly off here as we would like to think.

    The ignorance and self entitlement in this country baffles me sometimes.


  • #559
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh I'm not sure.

    But of course if an Irish child drowned, or a Brazilian child drowned, I'm sure they would be identified rather quickly. I'm not sure there is any set procedure, but suspect they would.

    In Syria, I guess they also have ways of identifying children. Maybe they love them just as much as we do ours, remember their faces, take photos, know where they are going, have phones and so on. So for example relations would know and on seeing the news would come forward, or maybe the parents had some identification documents.

    I find your post a bit strange. Do you think children from poorer countries are less deserving of an identity? Or that people from poorer countries aren't really that bothered about their dead?

    Normally to identify a dead child you would have a parents missing report, of some form of Identification.

    If all that fails you can do gene and DNA tests.

    I doubt any of those procedures have been carried out and I doubt any ID papers or missing reports were found on the child.

    So the authorities have jumped the gun and declared the child as Syrian along with the images to tug on the heart strings on people watching this event. That is propaganda and people should wake up and question why.

    This morning on Sky News Peter Sutherland had the point made to him that 1/3 of these refugees are not in fact genuine Asylum seekers, his response was generally so what, ignore that and let them in.

    Do you honestly think someone like Peter Sutherland who regularly attends Bilderberg meetings honestly cares about this dead child?


  • #560
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    I posted this link and picture because I searched through AH and couldn't find any other post on it. So.

    And again I ask you,

    Why did you post that image, why not images of the children dying daily in Syria?


  • #561
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    conorhal wrote: »
    It's as if there was some kind meeting today about Germany's insistance on 'burden sharing' the migrant influx or something.
    An influx the Germans invited by taking the doors off the hinges.

    Indeed.
    The 10-fold migrant increase was a blindingly obvious inevitability of inviting a free-for-all with added free ferrying to make the trafficker's job easier.

    Diplomatically, Germany should be told to 'f*ck off'.


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  • #562
    Hurtbuthealing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Hurtbuthealing


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    That's a sickening comment. Heartless and sickening. Your kids aren't being washed up on the shore, are they?

    That's right they are not, because I would never endanger them in such a way.
    Those people were in a safe country, there was no need for them to risk their lives and their childrens lives.


  • #563
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    You can't seriously compare the problems in this country with what these migrants have suffered.

    We are nowhere near as badly off here as we would like to think.

    The ignorance and self entitlement in this country baffles me sometimes.

    Another one who has fallen for TV broadcasts.

    It is being reported as fact that 1/3 of those you see on your TV fleeing persecution are in fact Not genuine Asylum seekers but chancers.

    If the media is reporting that 1/3 are bogus you can bet your life the figure is far higher!

    I would argue that all of them are bogus considering they appear to picking and choosing what EU country to claim Asylum in!


  • #564
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    God can we lose the tinfoilhat conspirators from the thread please?


  • #565
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Another one who has fallen for TV broadcasts.

    It is being reported as fact that 1/3 of those you see on your TV fleeing persecution are in fact Not genuine Asylum seekers but chancers.

    If the media is reporting that 1/3 are bogus you can bet your life the figure is far higher!

    I would argue that all of them are bogus considering they appear to picking and choosing what EU country to claim Asylum in!

    Chancers or not, I still don't want people to drown. PEOPLE.


  • #566
    bad2dabone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭bad2dabone


    This thread really is showing some people are awful humans.


  • #567
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Another one who has fallen for TV broadcasts.

    It is being reported as fact that 1/3 of those you see on your TV fleeing persecution are in fact Not genuine Asylum seekers but chancers.

    If the media is reporting that 1/3 are bogus you can bet your life the figure is far higher!

    I would argue that all of them are bogus considering they appear to picking and choosing what EU country to claim Asylum in!

    I've seen no such thing broadcast anywhere.....links/proof?


  • #568
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gandalf wrote: »
    God can we lose the tinfoilhat conspirators from the thread please?

    So instead of addressing the points you would rather ignore them.

    Sounds like Europe`s Immigration policy.


  • #569
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    eviltimeban wrote: »
    Oh give over with the propaganda. I started this thread, as you may have read, with "no politics, no societal issues". Just a picture of something that shouldn't happen. This isn't the time to be cynical.


    It is a major issue, probably the biggest issue in the history of the European project. I respect your plea for there to be no politics or point scoring, but unfortunately the MODS decided that they were closing all threads that tried to discuss this very problem using the lame excuse of 'off topic bickering'.

    I claimed before, and I'll claim it again, that certain mods are blatantly abusing their power by censoring threads that don't align with their political views:

    Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057429500

    Irish Navy ferrying migrants Libya to Italy, no vetting whatsoever: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96825399


    I'll try opening another thread again so we can all discuss this unprecedented crisis, hopefully I'll have some support from both sides so we can keep this open and exchange views and opinions to get a full picture of the situation.


  • #570
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Normally to identify a dead child you would have a parents missing report, of some form of Identification.

    If all that fails you can do gene and DNA tests.

    I doubt any of those procedures have been carried out and I doubt any ID papers or missing reports were found on the child.

    So the authorities have jumped the gun and declared the child as Syrian along with the images to tug on the heart strings on people watching this event. That is propaganda and people should wake up and question why.

    This morning on Sky News Peter Sutherland had the point made to him that 1/3 of these refugees are not in fact genuine Asylum seekers, his response was generally so what, ignore that and let them in.

    Do you honestly think someone like Peter Sutherland who regularly attends Bilderberg meetings honestly cares about this dead child?

    The child's father survived and identified the child or is it just all a big gubbermint conspiracy??


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  • #571
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And again I ask you,

    Why did you post that image, why not images of the children dying daily in Syria?

    I don't start many posts on AH to be honest. This picture affected me in a way that other haven't to the same degree. I'll be honest with that statement. I've seen many, many heart aching pictures. I felt sad, sorry, but I moved on.

    With this picture I did what an earlier poster did and just stared into space for a long, long time. I couldn't wait for my kids to come home to I could hug them. I stared at them asleep in their warm beds for longer than normal.

    I'll put my hand up and say I posted this because it affected me more than I have been affected before, and it led me to action. I donated, I pledged, and even though I'm currently sporting a fractured foot I want to make to to the march to call on the government to bring in more refugees.


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