"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

AudreyHepburn · 03-09-2015 09:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My proposal is that as far as possible Europe should be united in investing as much money now to deport as many of the migrants as possible. By boat, bus and train they should be deported or else they should claim asylum.

I know it won't be possible at this stage to find and deport every single one of them. But the problem will multiply if we don't make an effort on this.

So your solution is to send them all packing?

Have you no empathy?

jank · 03-09-2015 09:27AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Because the destabilisation of both Europe and the Middle East is part of the plan.

Again, what plan? Do you any proof of this 'plan', it's end game and motive?

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 09:28AM

Thank god we are an island because with our governments lack lustre approach to emigration we would be swamped with these folk otherwise.

gandalf · 03-09-2015 09:30AM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Eh... What? I didn't say anything even closely resembling that. "Pathetic"

Yes you did.

You said Assad is "evil" because his weaponry says "made in Russia" or "made in Iran".

To be clear Assad is evil because he butchers his own people and deploys chemical weapons against them. I don't give a rats ass who made them unlike you.

Hurtbuthealing · 03-09-2015 09:32AM

Every action should be taken to return these people from where they came.
Those picked up at sea should be returned to Libya.
A strong and determined military presence is required on the EU external border to stop them entering in the first place.

03-09-2015 09:33AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

So your solution is to send them all packing?

Have you no empathy?

My empathy is with the inevitable future migrants who die in freezer trucks and drown in the Mediterranean if they think they will be allowed to come to Europe.

I have empathy for the current migrants but I care more for next year's deaths and am looking to prevent that.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 09:33AM

gandalf wrote:

To be clear Assad is evil because he butchers his own people and deploys chemical weapons against them. I don't give a rats ass who made them unlike you.

He butchered the rebels, these rebels were not his own people.

Syria was fine under assad until the US decided it was time for him to go.

Akrasia · 03-09-2015 09:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My proposal is that as far as possible Europe should be united in investing as much money now to deport as many of the migrants as possible. By boat, bus and train they should be deported or else they should claim asylum.

I know it won't be possible at this stage to find and deport every single one of them. But the problem will multiply if we don't make an effort on this.

How many billions should we spend shutting people out who have nowhere else to go?

We need forward thinking, radical forward thinking

Africa is a continent where there are vast areas of desert

My proposal is that the wealthiest nations of the world (including Ireland) come together to fund the building a new city in the desert as a kind of a New Deal for Africa.

The city should be a model for sustainable 21st century living, so the energy should come from the latest renewable technology, the water should come from desalination plants powered by renewable energy, the food should come from modern vertical farms and from reclaimed desert land from mass irrigation programs....

There is a huge potential for an energy economy in the deserts of Africa but the infrastructure is not in place, and even if it was put in place, the benefits would take decades to trickle down to the ordinary people.

The new city should be socially as well as technologically sustainable. Priority for employment and housing should be given to refugees and displaced peoples, people should be guaranteed living wages and decent western standards of food and accommodation.

The pay-off for the rest of the world will be the advanced technology we will benefit from having models and testing grounds for emergent technologies

Would it be easy? Of course not, would there be conflicts involved? absolutely, but we've already got human misery on an epic scale and absolutely no plan on how to deal with it.

Until African people have access to technology and education and development we're just going to have a constant pressure to migrate social problems north and south

We'er talking about building colonies on other planets. if we can't even terraform a desert on our own planet, what hope do we have of living on a distant one?

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 09:34AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Have you no empathy?

Removing emotion is a better course than rending garments at the sorrow of it all.

Deportation is obviously no longer an option though.

In July, alone nearly as many flooded into Europe as for the entirety of 2014 .

The number of migrants has gone up 250% in 3 month from April to July when the free-for-all was announced.

The numbers are accelerating....

All the empathy in the world won't abate this nor will it fix it.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 09:34AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Thank god we are an island because with our governments lack lustre approach to emigration we would be swamped with these folk otherwise.

Yes how awful it would be to have families and children desperate for a life without torture and destruction upsetting our ability to watch the X Factor and drink our Guinness and drive our big cars.

gandalf · 03-09-2015 09:35AM

ComfortKid wrote: »

He butchered the rebels, these rebels were not his own people.

Syria was fine under assad until the US decided it was time for him to go.

/facepalm!

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 09:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you would decide the merits of whether someone lives or dies solely on the basis of where they were born. You would see a foreign child drown rather than go through the inconvenience of giving him or her a room?

We differ.

I won't be giving anyone a room in my house except for family and Irish homeless which I do every other xmas and for three weeks this Spring. What I will do is support strong governance on the issue and im willing as a taxpayer to pay a little extra to build massive fugee camps in the first EU country they reach and temporary accommodation until their own countries get their stuff together.

Also why isn't Enda the other EU leaders standing up and making statements about the cause of all this misery, the arming of rebels/ISIS by the US in an attempt to overthrow Assad. Oh that's right we might lose some trade or direct foreign investment if we tell the truth about the cause of this mess.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 09:35AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

how awful it would be to have families and children desperate for a life without torture and destruction upsetting our ability to watch the X Factor and drink our Guinness and drive our big cars.

This is about as irrational a post as it gets.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 09:35AM

How do we know that ISIS aren't among these migrants? Let um all in sure, it'll be grand!

03-09-2015 09:36AM

People viewing this image should think of one word.

Propaganda.

Why do you think you were shown this image, why do you think the Broadcasters are feeding this particular image and video morning noon and night?

Propaganda

And its working.

A dead child pulls on the heart strings of every decent person and they know this. But instead of people questioning what led to this child's death and where are the parent we are being led down the path of letting them all in.

The problem is that the parents of this child chose to risk their lives and that of their child to cross a sea to a foreign land. Even if Europe was standing at the shores with a welcoming committee this child would still have met the same fate.

We either land our troops in Africa and allow refugees to board naval bound for Europe safely, or we land troops and create large refugee camps and stop them coming to Europe whilst creating a safe haven.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 09:36AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

This is about as irrational a post as it gets.

Nope.

03-09-2015 09:37AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Deport them to where?

If they are by boat, then Libya or wherever they left from.

If they are by land then Turkey or wherever the arrived into the EU.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 09:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

People viewing this image should think of one word.

Propaganda.

Why do you think you were shown this image, why do you think the Broadcasters are feeding this particular image and video morning noon and night?

Propaganda

And its working.

A dead child pulls on the heart strings of every decent person and they know this. But instead of people questioning what led to this child's death and where are the parent we are being led down the path of letting them all in.

The problem is that the parents of this child chose to risk their lives and that of their child to cross a sea to a foreign land. Even if Europe was standing at the shores with a welcoming committee this child would still have met the same fate.

We either land our troops in Africa and allow refugees to board naval bound for Europe safely, or we land troops and create large refugee camps and stop them coming to Europe whilst creating a safe haven.

This is nonsense. They "chose"? Really? You were there when they decided they didn't want to live in oppression, under fear of beheadings, bombings, death and disease?

Leave your cynicism at the door for five minutes. Look for a spark of humanity instead.

Akrasia · 03-09-2015 09:38AM

because what we really need are instability in Turkey or Lybia on the borders of the E.U....

AudreyHepburn · 03-09-2015 09:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My empathy is with the inevitable future migrants who die in freezer trucks and drown in the Mediterranean if they think they will be allowed to come to Europe.

I have empathy for the current migrants but I care more for next year's deaths and am looking to prevent that.

So you'd rather send them home to die?

gandalf · 03-09-2015 09:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are by boat, then Libya or wherever they left from.

If they are by land then Turkey or wherever the arrived into the EU.

Very good sweep the problem under someone else's carpet as usual then :rolleyes:

03-09-2015 09:40AM

gandalf wrote: »

Yes you did.

You said Assad is "evil" because his weaponry says "made in Russia" or "made in Iran".

To be clear Assad is evil because he butchers his own people and deploys chemical weapons against them. I don't give a rats ass who made them unlike you.

Once again you have to put an agenda in my post that doesn't exist to make your point.

If you can't understand my original point I think we're done here. I'm obviously in love with Vladimir Putin or whatever your next reply will say.

Back on topic, if Germany are going to take 800,000 then we should take just as many per capita as they are. Even from a practical standpoint, we can always use new taxpayers and contributing members of society. We turned the Jews away during the Holocaust and we would do well to feel ashamed about that.

03-09-2015 09:40AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

This is nonsense. They "chose"? Really? You were there when they decided they didn't want to live in oppression, under fear of beheadings, bombings, death and disease?

Leave your cynicism at the door for five minutes. Look for a spark of humanity instead.

Can you show me one shred of evidence of who these people were?

Can you show us they fled persecution?

Of course you cant, but what we do know is that these people chose to risk their lives and that of their child to cross a sea to get to Europe.

Why not find a safe Muslim country without the risks of crossing a dangerous sea?

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 09:41AM

Sergio Georgini wrote:

Back on topic, if Germany are going to take 800,000 then we should take just as many per capita as they are. Even from a practical standpoint, we can always use new taxpayers and contributing members of society. We turned the Jews away during the Holocaust and we would do well to feel ashamed about that.

Why should we do it because Germany is?

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 09:42AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Yes how awful it would be to have families and children desperate for a life without torture and destruction upsetting our ability to watch the X Factor and drink our Guinness and drive our big cars.

I don't drink. I don't watch X factor and im a motorcyclist. Nice try all the same.

Care to address the issue?

Conall Cernach · 03-09-2015 09:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are by boat, then Libya or wherever they left from.

If they are by land then Turkey or wherever the arrived into the EU.

And what if Turkey or Libya say "F*ck that, we're not having them back."? Does the EU force them to take the refugees back? And how do they force them to do so?

03-09-2015 09:44AM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Why should we do it because Germany is?

Yes, if they can cope then so can we. And we should show solidarity with their brave humanitarian stance.

gandalf · 03-09-2015 09:45AM

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Once again you have to put an agenda in my post that doesn't exist to make your point.

If you can't understand my original point I think we're done here. I'm obviously in love with Vladimir Putin or whatever your next reply will say.

Apologies if I did I am just used to a certain "grouping" of posters throwing threads off topic whenever anything touches on their favourite subjects

Back on topic, if Germany are going to take 800,000 then we should take just as many per capita as they are. Even from a practical standpoint, we can always use new taxpayers and contributing members of society. We turned the Jews away during the Holocaust and we would do well to feel ashamed about that.

I think we do need to radically sort out our immigration handling system to allow those who are genuine refugees through the system a lot quicker than they are current so they do contribute to the country. Bringing in Syrians to just let them rot for up to 10 years in direct provision would be a disgusting waste of potential for this country.

03-09-2015 09:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you show me one shred of evidence of who these people were?

Can you show us they fled persecution?

The boy is being widely reported as 3 year old Syrian Kurd Aylan Kurdi.

Google Syria and Kurds if you are completely unaware of the persecution of Syrian Kurds. As he is dead, we cannot ask him what he faced.

03-09-2015 09:45AM

Conall Cernach wrote: »

And what if Turkey or Libya say "F*ck that, we're not having them back."? Does the EU force them to take the refugees back? And how do they force them to do so?

And what do you do next year when those back in Syria and other third world nations watch and see how their compatriots are getting treated in Europe?

If you build it he will come?

Whats stopping the whole continent following them to Europe?

And what about those already here, do you not even accept the possibility that I.S has even put some of their own people in with them?

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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