"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

efb · 03-09-2015 01:00AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I called you a mongoloid, a common epithet for someone of dim witted demeanor or intellect.

Like I said pay attention. You read one of many headlines about the crisis, congratulations. Go inform yourself of the others.

You want to get fresh (*durrr Daily Mail durrrr*), at least get your facts straight.

Just checking your meaning.

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 01:00AM

dubscottie wrote: »

They need to show these pictures and the ones of the half eaten skeletons that washed up a few weeks ago to the people BEFORE they get on the boats.

Might make them think twice.

They see people going and not coming back so think every boat makes it safely.

The fact is though 99% are economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers.

The minute they get to the country of choice (the UK seems the favorite) they will vanish into the black economy.

I have seen some figures being thrown about and Ireland should take 50,000 according to some..

I don't think so.. We struggle to pay to look after our current population with out adding 50,000 more that needs to be paid for.

Yeah I agree, 50k is ridiculous. I think its unfair to ask of any country to take in anymore than 0.5% of its existing population in numbers of refugees. 0.1-0.2% of existing population in numbers is a good target I think.

That would mean taking in somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 refugees for Ireland which I think is reasonable.

The E.U population is 500m so the continent as a whole should probably take in roughly 1 million syrians. No more than 2.5 million in total.

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 01:01AM

efb wrote: »

The UK is the favourite??? Where did you get that from???

I'm sure the death and depravity in their home country means they are willing to risk it.

Eh.. The news?? This is not a new thing.

If they are so desperate then they would stay in the first safe country they got to? Right?....

03-09-2015 01:01AM

I don't see what so particularly bad about the Daily Mail anyway?

As if by throwing that out there it somehow wins an argument.

Debate the issue, not the person (or in this case newspaper).

efb · 03-09-2015 01:01AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

That dead boy's parents brought him onto a deathtrap boat and it is their actions that led to his death. Had they stayed on the shore their son would still be alive!

Why don't these migrants settle for eastern european countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine etc, there is plenty of land in Russia for them but they would not have the same benefits as the west offers!

They are dead too. The closest EU country to Turkey is Greece... where the boat was headed.

efb · 03-09-2015 01:03AM

dubscottie wrote: »

Eh.. The news?? This is not a new thing.

If they are so desperate then they would stay in the first safe country they got to? Right?....

The figures of Syrian Refugees accepted by the UK, is about 500, a disgrace by any measure.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 01:04AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I called you a mongoloid, a common epithet for someone of dim witted demeanor or intellect.

You know, I'm taking issue with this.

Calling someone a mongoloid is not a common epithet, it's an insult, pure and simple.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mongoloid

But it's okay because everyone does it!!!!!

03-09-2015 01:06AM

efb wrote: »

That doesnt fix anything, they still suffer in Syria

So f*cking what? Are we supposed to stop ALL suffering in the world?

I suffer whenever I have to pay my rent, so where's my free house? Oh, that's right, I'm only a dumb lower income taxpayer who was born and raised in Ireland.

You don't seem to accept any counter arguments to accepting refugees. So I can only conclude that you believe Europe should open all it's borders and let infinite numbers of people in, where they will be housed, clothed and fed at European taxpayers' expense. Is this what you believe? If not, then where do you differ?

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 01:06AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Fine. He's a clown, a pelican, a numpty, whatever you're having yourself.

So why not use any of those terms in the first place?

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 01:07AM

efb wrote: »

The figures of Syrian Refugees accepted by the UK, is about 500, a disgrace by any measure.

Stop reading the Independent..

Thats 500 on the books.. How many have slipped into to the black economy? 1000's.

There has been a camp in Calais since the Channel Tunnel opened. They are not there because they like France.

efb · 03-09-2015 01:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So f*cking what? Are we supposed to stop ALL suffering in the world?

I suffer whenever I have to pay my rent, so where's my free house? Oh, that's right, I'm only a dumb lower income taxpayer who was born and raised in Ireland.

You don't seem to accept any counter arguments to accepting refugees. So I can only conclude that you believe Europe should open all it's borders and let infinite numbers of people in, where they will be housed, clothed and fed at European taxpayers' expense. Is this what you believe? If not, then where do you differ?

I certainly don't equate the "suffering" of paying my taxes bills etc with that of the Syrian boy and his family that died. Maybe you think it's equitable- I certainly don't

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 01:11AM

efb wrote: »

They are dead too. The closest EU country to Turkey is Greece... where the boat was headed.

Ah so they want to gain EU citizenship or status but if they are coming from Turkey they can safely cross the borders into Bulgaria, Armenia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Christ if they are genuinely fleeing they can enter Greece by land but that would require them to register their asylum application in these poor countries and these money hungry desperate people want to go where the grass is greener and where they will get work in places for below minimum wage etc. the same goes on here!

efb · 03-09-2015 01:13AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Ah so they want to gain EU citizenship or status but if they are coming from Turkey they can safely cross the borders into Bulgaria, Armenia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Christ if they are genuinely fleeing they can enter Greece by land but that would require them to register their asylum application in these poor countries and these money hungry desperate people want to go where the grass is greener and where they will get work in places for below minimum wage etc. the same goes on here!

You have their number, however I wouldn't recommend Iraq or Iran if you are fleeing war ravaged countries or despots

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 01:16AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Exactly. Many appear to be economic migrants.

I'm an economic migrant. What's the issue with that?

03-09-2015 01:19AM

efb wrote: »

I certainly don't equate the "suffering" of paying my taxes bills etc with that of the Syrian boy and his family that died. Maybe you think it's equitable- I certainly don't

You didn't answer my questions.

Give a number of refugees that you think is reasonable for a country to accept. How many should Ireland accept.

If you won't give a number, then just admit that you are happy for an infinite number of refugees to arrive and be cared for at taxpayers' expense.

Enough of playing the sympathy card. We all are sad about the boy who drowned. But we are grown ups and have to be responsible. So offer some solutions please, or else agree that as messed up as the situation is, Europe has enough to be dealing with without solving the rest of the world's problems.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 01:19AM

petrolcan wrote: »

I'm an economic migrant. What's the issue with that?

Many of those claiming to be 'refugees' are clearly economic migrants using the 'refugee' card to try get themselves a better deal in Europe.

03-09-2015 01:22AM

petrolcan wrote: »

I'm an economic migrant. What's the issue with that?

There is no issue if you are legal.

The issue is that the people in Budapest are illegal economic migrants. They have no papers to work in the EU. If they claim to be asylum seekers (a very different term), then legal they are required to claim asylum in the first country they arrive in. They are not allowed to arrive in Hungary, then travel to Germany to claim asylum.

Either they are economic migrants, in which case they are illegal.
Or they are asylum seekers, in which case they must claim asylum in the first country they arrive in.

My name is URL · 03-09-2015 01:24AM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Exactly. Many appear to be economic migrants.

You should be more concerned about the Irish 'economic migrants' leaving the place every year after finishing college

We spend millions on educating people to the highest degree in all sorts of fields and yet rely on migrants to fill positions, while our own lot piss off to Singapore or Australia for a somewhat better lifestyle with more sunshine.

hurlsey · 03-09-2015 01:39AM

I appreciate this is AH, threads inevitably evolve/devolve into debates over a wider issue(s)

After reading some of the posts throughout the thread, and as a parent, a dad and a human facking being, can we not ALL agree that the body of a 4 year old child washed up on a beach is horrendous?

Yes there are root causes as to how a 4 year old child met his end swallowing the Mediterranean.
But do they really matter? At 4 years of age that boy did nothing to create, influence or manufacture any of the circumstances that led to his death!!

Smidge · 03-09-2015 01:59AM

I've read the thread.
I saw the picture of that little boy and its heartbreaking. What age is he roughly? 3/4?

I have a 4 yr old boy upstairs(FINALLY !!)asleep and he isn't my child.
I'm not going into too much detail for the sake of it but the gist is this.
Friends husband lost job.
Then he lost his life.
Both worked. Not big jobs, but worked.
After he lost his life, eventually the inevitable happened.
She lost the house.
Got a place with rent allowance but landlord recently decided he could get more for it and they are now homeless. My friend and her 3 children(little boy upstairs was due to start school this week).
He didn't though as they have nowhere to live.
They had been bedding down in her mums 1 bed old folks place but that was upsetting her mum as there isnt supposed to be anyone allowed stop there.
They couldn't even get a place in one of these sham "hotels".
I don't even know where she is tonight tbh as I think she is just finding places "couch surfing" for her kids and is sleeping out as she feels its too much too ask for her to stay as well. Which obv, it wouldnt be but I guess she is trying to hold onto her last semblance of dignity.

My point?
What's going on is a tragedy. Those people in the boats are desperate for whatever reason(and I have to agree with some posters as to if they were so desperate and with children, why not stop in the first safe port of call?)
But to say "Oh let them in, house them, give them a room in your home or get them a NAMA in Roscommon"..............C'mon!!!!!!

I know this little boy upstairs. Have known him, and him me, since he was born.
He has been hysterical since his mother left....and this is just the first night!!
I will try to keep him as long as needed but hell, its been tough.

You wanna be cool and give lip service to a cause? Good for you.
But having seen what my friend and COUNTLESS other families are going through(I have a lot of friends working with the homeless situation in Dublin and I know it comforts us on our warm couches to think they are all there by choice/drugs/alcohol etc, but let me tell you for a fact, they are NOT)

So, and I'm going to be completely honest here, and for anyone who wants to play the racist/cold hearted card here, I have one thing to say...
Maybe we should try to get our own house in a semblance of order first.
I get that a child has died on the beach and your would have to be a monster not to recognise this.
But is the answer to even further burden a state that has overlooked her own children?
Sadly,and I genuinely wish there was enough to around. But there isn't.

Infini · 03-09-2015 02:07AM

My name is URL wrote: »

You should be more concerned about the Irish 'economic migrants' leaving the place every year after finishing college

We spend millions on educating people to the highest degree in all sorts of fields and yet rely on migrants to fill positions, while our own lot piss off to Singapore or Australia for a somewhat better lifestyle with more sunshine.

To be fair the likes of Singapore and Australia actively send their own agents out to get our people to come to their countries to fill their vacancies because they WANT out highly trained people.

FalconGirl · 03-09-2015 02:09AM

I'm shocked at how people are so shocked by this picture. Are they only realising now the reality of what has been happening for many months now? He's not the first migrant child to drown and won't be the last as sad as that is.

Europe took its eye of the ball focusing soley on the Greek debt crisis for months and now we are like rabbits caught in the headlights unable to act such is the influx of migrants across the continent.

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 02:15AM

efb wrote: »

That doesnt fix anything, they still suffer in Syria

And your grand plan to solve the syrian issue is?

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 02:20AM

efb wrote: »

The Qatar World Cup situation is a disgrace. These countries you speak of have awful human rights records- can you guarantee the safety of the refugees???

Can I personally? Don't be silly.

However the human rights record in these countries is brought down mostly by their treatment of Indian immigrants who are usually Hindu. There is no reason to think that fellow arabs and fellow muslims would be badly treated.

Muahahaha · 03-09-2015 04:42AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I honestly don't know. This could be a massive couple of years in the history of Europe. One thing I am certain of is that Europe cant economically or culturally sustain the amount of people that desire to migrate here. And that's not being cold hearted, I don't think it's feasible to take millions upon millions (and that's what's going on) of migrants from a different culture that turn up with nothing but a rucksack and expect our way of life to stay the same.

Millions upon Millions? :rolleyes: Have you got a source for that or are you just plucking figures out of your arse?

Yurt! wrote: »

Next time you want to throw a sly remark inform yourself.

Yurt! wrote: »

Like I said pay attention.at least get your facts straight.

sez yer man who likes to pick figures out of his hole; "millions and millions":rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

I suffer whenever I have to pay my rent, so where's my free house? Oh, that's right, I'm only a dumb lower income taxpayer who was born and raised in Ireland.

That's a huge sense of entitlement you have there lad. Did you not know that by being born in Ireland you are automatically in the richest 2% of the 7 billion people in this world. And if you earn an average wage here then you are in the top 1% of those 7 billion people. Despite your being more wealthy than 98% of people on this planet you actually want a free house? Get a grip lad, you have zero perspective and fcuk all empathy for fellow human beings.

Deleted User wrote: »

Or they are asylum seekers, in which case they must claim asylum in the first country they arrive in.

I thought that EU law was dumped back in 2007?

Yurt! wrote: »

Fine. He's a clown, a pelican, a numpty, whatever you're having yourself.

sez the keyboard warrior with the bad facts lol

Nodin · 03-09-2015 05:10AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Why? The already have refuge in Turkey.

What they want is free university education, free housing, jobs (inevitably driving down wages for native workers), they want to sponge off western countries.

We've had the usual anti-american, anti-europe stuff on this thread which is par for the course on this forum, but it's the arabs who stirred up this problem in Syria and it's the arabs, especially the gulf states who should take these refugees not Europe. Lebanon and Jordan have taken in many refugees but it's time the real instigators of the problem like Saudi, Qatar and the UAE take in their fellow arabs instead of exporting their problem to Europe.

Ahh, dear. Now we have the anti-Arab/anti-muslim stuff which is sooooo much better.

Nodin · 03-09-2015 05:16AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Can I personally? Don't be silly.

However the human rights record in these countries is brought down mostly by their treatment of Indian immigrants who are usually Hindu. There is no reason to think that fellow arabs and fellow muslims would be badly treated.

God no, they all have a perfect record in dealing with Druze, Shia, Ahmdis,
Kurds, not to mention the fact that the Afghans and Pakistanis and Kurds aren't Arabs.....

Sorry, forgot all muslims were the same and all muslims were Arabs there. I'll shut up now.

ronan45 · 03-09-2015 05:33AM

Yes this whole affair is awful... but my thoughts are... OK lets take in some refugees, But where is the line drawn
Germany is taking 800,000
So will we take a max of 5 million into Europe? What about the rest who want to come, Bar them? Maybe just get the whole population of every war ravaged country the Coalition has de-stabilised Syria, Iraq, Libya to name a few to move to Europe... Problem Solved.... Or is it? ?

03-09-2015 06:13AM

Yurt! wrote: »

It's on every news outlet you mongoloid.

Disgusting remark.

Yurt! wrote: »

I called you a mongoloid, a common epithet for someone of dim witted demeanor or intellect.

Utterly disgusting.

Zambia · 03-09-2015 07:03AM

Now imagine that boy was Irish.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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