"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:30AM

efb wrote: »

So they risk life and limb for benefits??? A shared room and a bus pass?

Plenty (most by all accounts) of them are refusing to register their asylum claim in Hungary knowing that they wont get to choose where they live in the EU. They have their eyes on Sweden and Germany. There is a draw, I'll leave it up to you to decide what that perceived draw may be.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:31AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Plenty (most by all accounts) of them are refusing to register their asylum claim in Hungary knowing that they wont get to choose where they live in the EU. They have their eyes on Sweden and Germany. There is a draw, I'll leave it up to you to decide what that perceived draw may be.

So we need an EU agreement on how to deal with this!

johnty56 · 03-09-2015 12:33AM

doulikeit wrote: »

I just thought your post sounded a bit cold, im sure when his parents dressed him that morning that was not how they expected for there wee son to end up, maybe they thought they were doing the right thing a better life in Europe I dont know, but ill bet you that was not how they intended it, I hope this scale of tragedy never reaches you

Yes, it was cold, I will admit that. My first impulse on looking at it was disgust, followed by anger , and mostly directed at the people who put the child in that position, and to be honest I see that as the parents.
Your post reads as if you would like to see tragedy like that reach me, which to be honest, makes me want to find you and cut you into pieces.

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:34AM

efb wrote: »

So we need an EU agreement on how to deal with this!

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in, which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works. And ones given asylum in less *ahem* desirable EU countries will inevitably baulk at it and migrate to wealthier European countries anyway. With all the perceived benefits that they believe will come their way.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:36AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in,

Everyone does that, don't they?

which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works.

Agreed.

My name is URL · 03-09-2015 12:37AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in, which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works. And ones given asylum in less *ahem* desirable EU countries will inevitably baulk at it and migrate to wealthier European countries anyway.

How should it work, then?

Should the few countries with borders to affected regions be expected to deal with it? Should there be a quota model for determining how many people other states can accommodate?

What would your solution be?

03-09-2015 12:38AM

Reedsie wrote: »

Tomorrows Independent (UK)

(shocking image)

Yes, it is a shocking image, and it is one that needs to be seen.

Regardless of your views of the refugee/migrant issue, regardless of what you think the solution is or who is to blame, you need to look at that photograph.

Don't just glance and then click away, and don't avoid it because you think you can't handle it. You can. Look, and look for long enough to take it in properly.

doulikeit · 03-09-2015 12:39AM

johnty56 wrote:

Yes, it was cold, I will admit that. My first impulse on looking at it was disgust, followed by anger , and mostly directed at the people who put the child in that position, and to be honest I see that as the parents. Your post reads as if you would like to see tragedy like that reach me, which to be honest, makes me want to find you and cut you into pieces.

You think by my posts that I wish this on another human

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 12:39AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Plenty (most by all accounts) of them are refusing to register their asylum claim in Hungary knowing that they wont get to choose where they live in the EU. They have their eyes on Sweden and Germany. There is a draw, I'll leave it up to you to decide what that perceived draw may be.

Yurt! wrote: »

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in, which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works.

These are not genuine asylum seekers fleeing their country because they fear for their lives or they would be asking for camps to be built to house them and look after their needs till they can return to their homeland, These are economic migrants who want a better life and as has been seen in Hungary they are prepared to fight for what they believe they are entitled to.

I can't see the Hungarians taking that for too long before the riot batons come out.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:42AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in, which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works. And ones given asylum in less *ahem* desirable EU countries will inevitably baulk at it and migrate to wealthier European countries anyway. With all the perceived benefits that they believe will come their way.

You have proof of this???

A common EU plan to deal with this refugee crisis is urgently needed, and ALL EU countries must step up

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 12:43AM

Top 10 countries by numbers of Syrian Refugees taken in.
1. Turkey - 1,750,000 (2.5% of existing population)
2. Lebanon - 1,200,000 (27% of existing population) So 1 in 5 people in lebanon are now from syria.
3. Jordan -630,000 (About 10% of existing population.)
4. Iraq- 250,000
5. Egypt - 130,000
6. Germany - 100,000
7. Greece- 88,00)
8. Algeria - 25,000 (but not updated since 2012 so it must be considerably higher by now)
9. Sweden - 40,000
10. Austria - Minimum 18,000

So it is unfair to say that Middle eastern countries arent helping and its all being pinned on europe to help out. Though its disgraceful that nearby countries which are relatively wealthy such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, azerbajan, armenia and georgia have taken in almost no refugees. France, UK and Ireland also really need to help out.

And for the record, anyone who thinks europe has been swarmed already.
United Kingdom, France, Iceland, Poland, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Italy and most eastern european countries have taken in 500 refugees or less each.
Ireland has taken in 610 refugees and we are a tenth the size of the UK so thats something.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:43AM

Yurt! wrote: »

The point being that many (most) are shopping for what country they want to live in, which isn't and shouldn't be how asylum works. And ones given asylum in less *ahem* desirable EU countries will inevitably baulk at it and migrate to wealthier European countries anyway. With all the perceived benefits that they believe will come their way.

Read this in the Daiy Mail???

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 12:44AM

efb wrote: »

So we need an EU agreement on how to deal with this!

Not an agreement but immediate joint action by all member states to stop this onslaught of migrants at the beachs before they put out to sea or start bringing them back to where they came from and land them and destroy the boats.

As long as those boats put to sea then children will drown!

efb · 03-09-2015 12:45AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Not an agreement but immediate joint action by all member states to stop this onslaught of migrants at the beachs before they put out to sea or start bringing them back to where they came from and land them and destroy the boats.

So none are genuine? The Syrian crisis was just made up???

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:45AM

My name is URL wrote: »

How should it work, then?

Should the few countries with borders to affected regions be expected to deal with it? Should there be a quota model for determining how many people other states can accommodate?

What would your solution be?

I honestly don't know. This could be a massive couple of years in the history of Europe. One thing I am certain of is that Europe cant economically or culturally sustain the amount of people that desire to migrate here. And that's not being cold hearted, I don't think it's feasible to take millions upon millions (and that's what's going on) of migrants from a different culture that turn up with nothing but a rucksack and expect our way of life to stay the same.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:48AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Not an agreement but immediate joint action by all member states to stop this onslaught of migrants at the beachs before they put out to sea or start bringing them back to where they came from and land them and destroy the boats.

As long as those boats put to sea then children will drown!

Best let them die in Syria where the western eyes won't see them then???

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:48AM

efb wrote: »

Read this in the Daiy Mail???

It's on every news outlet you ...... Pay attention, why do you think the migrants are protesting outside a Budapest train station chanting Germany.

Next time you want to throw a sly remark inform yourself.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:51AM

Yurt! wrote: »

It's on every news outlet you mongoloid. Pay attention, why do you think the migrants are protesting outside a Budapest train station.

Next time you want to throw a sly remark inform yourself.

What's on every news outlet this morning is a dead boy in search of refuge in EU not getting a train from Hungary to Germany. I'm not from Mongolia btw

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 12:53AM

They need to show these pictures and the ones of the half eaten skeletons that washed up a few weeks ago to the people BEFORE they get on the boats.

Might make them think twice.

They see people going and not coming back so think every boat makes it safely.

The fact is though 99% are economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers.

The minute they get to the country of choice (the UK seems the favorite) they will vanish into the black economy.

I have seen some figures being thrown about and Ireland should take 50,000 according to some..

I don't think so.. We struggle to pay to look after our current population with out adding 50,000 more that needs to be paid for.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:54AM

Yurt! wrote: »

mongoloid.

WTF? Really, WTF?

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 12:55AM

efb wrote: »

Best let them die in Syria where the western eyes won't see them then???

That is the problem with pictures like that being shown on tv and in newspapers, people lose any sense of reason and get so sentimental that all reason is thrown out the window.

If there are issues in Syria then that is where the effort should be made by the EU and UN.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:55AM

dubscottie wrote: »

They need to show these pictures and the ones of the ones of the half eaten skeletons that washed up a few weeks ago to the people BEFORE they get on the boats.

Might make them think twice.

They see people going and not coming back so think every boat makes it safely.

The fact is though 99% are economic migrants and not genuine asylum seekers.

The minute they get to the country of choice (the UK seems the favorite) they will vanish into the black economy.

I have seen some figures being thrown about and Ireland should take 50,000 according to some..

I don't think so.. We struggle to pay to look after our current population with out adding 50,000 more that needs to be paid for.

The UK is the favourite??? Where did you get that from???

I'm sure the death and depravity in their home country means they are willing to risk it.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:57AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

That is the problem with pictures like that being shown on tv and in newspapers, people lose any sense of reason and get so sentimental that all reason is thrown out the window.

If there are issues in Syria then that is where the effort should be made by the EU and UN.

If they require refugee status, the EU should support that also. rebuilding a ravaged country isnt easy.

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:57AM

efb wrote: »

I'm not from Mongolia btw

Worse empires to be compared to in fairness, first one in history to advocate gender equality, religious freedom and diplomatic immunity:)

03-09-2015 12:57AM

efb wrote: »

Best let them die in Syria where the western eyes won't see them then???

That's not the point he was trying to make and you know it. The point is that the problem can be nipped in the bud by stopping rickety little boats from being put out to sea laden down with desperate people.

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:57AM

efb wrote: »

What's on every news outlet this morning is a dead boy in search or refuge in EU not getting a train from Hungary to Germany. I'm not from Mongolia btw

Like I said pay attention. You read one of many headlines about the crisis, congratulations. Go inform yourself of the others.

You want to get fresh (*durrr Daily Mail durrrr*), at least get your facts straight.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:58AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

That is the problem with pictures like that being shown on tv and in newspapers, people lose any sense of reason and get so sentimental that all reason is thrown out the window.

If there are issues in Syria then that is where the effort should be made by the EU and UN.

Or maybe it opens our eyes to the genuine suffering, and we cant close our eyes and ears and pretend they are all economic migrants???

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:59AM

petrolcan wrote: »

WTF? Really, WTF?

Fine. He's a clown, a pelican, a numpty, whatever you're having yourself.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's not the point he was trying to make and you know it. The point is that the problem can be nipped in the bud by stopping rickety little boats from being put out to sea laden down with desperate people.

That doesnt fix anything, they still suffer in Syria

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 01:00AM

efb wrote: »

What's on every news outlet this morning is a dead boy in search of refuge in EU not getting a train from Hungary to Germany. I'm not from Mongolia btw

That dead boy's parents brought him onto a deathtrap boat and it is their actions that led to his death. Had they stayed on the shore their son would still be alive!

Why don't these migrants settle for eastern european countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine etc, there is plenty of land in Russia for them but they would not have the same benefits as the west offers!

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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