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Teenager charged with manslaughter for encouraging friend to commit suicide.

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  • #32
    seamus
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Yes seemed she enjoyed the attention afterwards

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/michelle-carter-claims-she-was-brainwashed-into-helping-conrad-roy-in-his-plans-to-commit-suicide/story-fnixwvgh-1227500030945
    Stone cold bitch. I reckon I have her card properly marked there so. Probably rationalised it to herself by saying he'd be dead soon either way.

    Can't imagine how his parents feel. They probably grieved with her, treated her as a daughter in law. Then they have to find out that not only did she fail to help him, she basically handed him the figurative rope.

    I wonder how they discovered it. Maybe his parents found the texts on his phone or something.


  • #33
    Stheno
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Yes seemed she enjoyed the attention afterwards

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/michelle-carter-claims-she-was-brainwashed-into-helping-conrad-roy-in-his-plans-to-commit-suicide/story-fnixwvgh-1227500030945

    That is just beyond the realms of normality


  • #34
    Chain Smoker
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    seamus wrote: »
    I thought initially that manslaughter sounded crazy. But she's actually being charged with assisting suicide, which falls under the blanket heading of involuntary manslaughter in the US.

    Here in Ireland this would be a specific charge of assisting a suicide.

    Seems like a fair call given that she encouraged his actions. She's not responsible for his death, but she didn't help. I wonder if she was a bit sick of him, but rather than break up with him and be labelled a bitch when he commits suicide, she reckoned she could speed things along a bit; she wouldn't have to break up with him and she'd get months playing the "grieving widow".
    Was gonna post exactly that. Could also be a bit of a narcissistic streak deluding herself into thinking how great and selfless she was to be willing to let him go, the type who will happily alter reality entirely so that they come out on the righteous side.

    She's a total headcase whatever way you look at it.


  • #35
    catsbanter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭catsbanter


    I'd stone cold stunner that bitch


  • #36
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    That transcript is so sad. I make no apologies for calling her a cold stone hearted fcuked up bitch.


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  • #37
    tosspot
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    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Yes seemed she enjoyed the attention afterwards



    This was one of the first things I thought after reading the op. A tragedy like this attracts huge social media attention to those nearest and dearest, and from looking at that article it does seem she used the tragic event to try to increase her social media profile.
    A crazy indication of how many of the youth today value their relationship with social media more than real life relationships today.


  • #38
    Summer wind
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I'm sure though that you know too how easily communications can be misinterpreted when read out of context, and even more so if a person is unfamiliar with the people involved. I'm not willing to accept that either of them (the guy or the girl), were fully aware of the possible consequences of what they found themselves swept up in.

    I've seen enough crap written in suicide ideation forums and on social media to understand how it may well be possible for a person to manipulate someone else into thinking they are actually helping someone in encouraging them to take their own life, and the messages in the article could be interpreted a number of different ways that may not immediately be so obvious.

    This girl repeatedly and relentlessly told this boy to kill himself. Told him he should die. That makes her an evil bully in my world.


  • #39
    TomBtheGoat
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    One can only hope that such a sick bitch will face her own karma someday.


  • #40
    Paramite Pie
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    When the Sun Hits wrote: »
    I had thought perhaps they had some sort of suicide pact, but we really are lacking information and context. I am by no means a bleeding heart liberal, but I wouldn't necessarily be calling her an evil bitch without knowing the whole story.

    Her tweets after the suicide indicate an attention seeking sociopath.
    "I will never understand why this had to happen"

    She often tweeted about suicide prevention with the #WeCanEndSuicide.

    The link was posted earlier in the thread. Either she regretted her part or more than likely reveled in playing the mourning victim.


  • #41
    Samaris
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    I'm usually pretty inclined to assume people are basically decent, media inclination to weave a story aside, but the texts and then the stuff online are just disturbing and quite thoroughly give me the creeps about this girl.

    Actually, when typing that, I was reminded of a rather odd condition called Munchausen's-by-Proxy. Its a thoroughly bizarre narcissistic condition where someone causes injury to someone else to ...well, live vicariously from the sympathy generated. Most of the cases I've read about tend to be women with a child victim. Not suggesting it IS that, mind, just made me think of it.

    Still a pretty evil act, an impulse is one thing, but she made the choice to encourage that poor kid to suicide and then dived into the social media to suck up attention around it, whatever her reasons.


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  • #42
    seamus
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    Samaris wrote: »
    Actually, when typing that, I was reminded of a rather odd condition called Munchausen's-by-Proxy. Its a thoroughly bizarre narcissistic condition where someone causes injury to someone else to ...well, live vicariously from the sympathy generated. Most of the cases I've read about tend to be women with a child victim. Not suggesting it IS that, mind, just made me think of it.
    Munchausen's and -by-Proxy are pretty strictly defined by the fact that the sufferer is specifically looking for attention from medical personnel or otherwise attention based on medical problems.

    You're right in that this appears very similar, they're probably both subtypes of a family of mental illnesses.


  • #43
    Samaris
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    seamus wrote: »
    Munchausen's and -by-Proxy are pretty strictly defined by the fact that the sufferer is specifically looking for attention from medical personnel or otherwise attention based on medical problems.

    You're right in that this appears very similar, they're probably both subtypes of a family of mental illnesses.

    Ah, that was it. I should have looked that up again before talking about it, but you're right. I'd lump the whole thing under "extreme narcissism" myself, but I'm no medical wotsit.


  • #44
    Melisandre121
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    I haven't seen this story posted on here?

    A girl pressured her boyfriend into committing suicide, she is being tried for manslaughter but her defence feel she is protected by free speech.

    What a disgusting excuse for a human being.


    http://deadstate.org/here-are-the-disturbing-texts-from-michelle-carter-pressuring-her-boyfriend-to-commit-suicide/


  • #45
    osarusan
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057483587

    Horrible story.


  • #46
    KERSPLAT!
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    Christ that's a shocking read. She should have been there to help him or get him help, not to do this. Poor lad.


  • #47
    That_Guy
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    Just read a couple of her texts to him. What an absolutely cruel and evil bitch.


  • #48
    KERSPLAT!
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    Threads merged.


  • #49
    wakka12
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    She did it because she's a ****ing dangerous psychopath . If she were a man she'd probably become the next serial killer , the only reason she wont is because she's a teenager girl who couldn't overpower many people.


  • #50
    Sir Gallagher
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    Is it surprising really? Shocking to read and very disturbing, but all you have to do is take a look at facebook on any given day to see certain people trying to garner sympathy by proxy from other people's death or ilness. Obviously this girl is at the extreme end of it, the queen coffin chaser what a cnut.


  • #51
    K4t
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Awaits the usual bleeding hearts to come in and tell us that she was just a messed up teenager and should get counseling not prison blah blah blah.....
    Strange post. She most likely is messed up and probably should get counselling from seeing the texts she sent to the guy, but please enlighten me to as why she should serve prison time, and why anyone who might not share your judgement is automatically a bleeding heart? The guy committed suicide, the clue is in the name - the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally. She didn't kill him and any evidence to suggest she is the reason for him killing him is and always will be pure speculation.


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  • #52
    biko
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    She's a twisted **** but I doubt there is legal grounds to actually convict her.

    Seeing her twitter I'm thinking it could be a variation of "Munchausen syndrome by proxy" or similar.


  • #53
    TheLastMohican
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    biko wrote: »
    She's a twisted **** but I doubt there is legal grounds to actually convict her.

    Seeing her twitter I'm thinking it could be a variation of "Munchausen syndrome by proxy" or similar.

    Baron von Munchausen would turn in his grave. How dare you! :rolleyes:

    But seriously, probably a sociopath. No empathy whatsoever.


  • #54
    IvyTheTerrible
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    God that is so depressing. :(


  • #55
    Sir Gallagher
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    K4t wrote: »
    Strange post. She most likely is messed up and probably should get counselling from seeing the texts she sent to the guy, but please enlighten me to as why she should serve prison time, and why anyone who might not share your judgement is automatically a bleeding heart? The guy committed suicide, the clue is in the name - the act or an instance of taking one's own life voluntarily and intentionally. She didn't kill him and any evidence to suggest she is the reason for him killing him is and always will be pure speculation.

    Have you actually read the story?


  • #56
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Sir Gallagher wrote: »
    Have you actually read the story?
    Yes. Terribly sad. Have you a point?


  • #57
    Niemoj
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    Absolutely horrible, poor guy.


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