"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 12:10AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

They are client States of the U.S. The driving down oil was to bankrupt Russia. Partly because of Russia's support of Assad.

Russia is a by-product of the OPEC campaign, the main target is US shale gas. http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/OPEC-Boosting-Production-To-Keep-Pressure-On-U.S.-Shale.html

OPEC wants to regain it's dominance of the US energy market, damaging Russia and Syria is a welcome by-product for them.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:10AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They already had refuge in Turkey.

Turkey isnt stable at the moment, you may have heard of Isis...

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:10AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

BS. How many working class inner city Dublin voices do you here in the Dail or on RTE? No barriers please tell me you are taking the piss? Anyway this is going off track.

I hear Clare Daly and Higgins every week, and I don't watch the news that often

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:11AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

the party of self righteous house owners who believe that renters and people on waiting lists should bear the brunt of the refugee crisis?

Wait, what? Where did I say that?

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 12:11AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Funny how the media didn't show images of dead children in the ruins of buildings in Gaza a while back. No agenda there at all :rolleyes:

Yes but you didnt have big save the children campaigns going on here in europe like we do now, why is that..

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 12:11AM

petrolcan wrote: »

But the room to increase the population is there. Just as it is in the UK.

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

jimgoose · 03-09-2015 12:12AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Why is this a troll? Why is it obvious that we must seize income from people in the rental sector to make their rents higher as we pay for rent for refugees, or ad to the waiting lists. In WWII migrants from cities were put into private housing. If this is a crisis then let's act like it.

We can move into social housing and the "illiterate" 20 year old ( not sure why that is a criteria) when the reserve houses of the rich and middle classes are exhausted.

In any case I don't think families with kids will be affected as they won't have spare rooms.

No spare rooms my arse, some spirit of the Blitz that is. Pile them childer into bunk-beds, and free up rooms for the new Railway Children!

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:12AM

wakka12 wrote: »

It wasnt as trendy to care about the innocent children being slaughtered in syria four years ago was it though

Depends what news source you tapped in to.

the_syco · 03-09-2015 12:14AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Wtf?

No-one cares about dead black kids. Dead white kids sells newspapers.

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THey'll be put into Mosney for processing. They won't be allowed to work until after they've been processed. Germany has let so many in, to ensure there are people paying taxes to fund the pensions of the older generation. Pretty sure without a few hundred thousand migrants, their long term outlook for the Germans is bad.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:14AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

Stability isnt really happening in the middle east at the minute...

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:14AM

johnty56 wrote: »

I'm sorry but you must ... miguided ( had to edit that ). You are telling me that there is absolutely no impediment to someone without a pot to piss in in 21st century Ireland, living week to week, from being a millionaire with houses in Howth and Knightsbrige in ten years time.

It must be nice on your planet.

Of course there isn't. What do you believe are the impediments? Difficult, yes, impossible, definitely not. As is the reverse.

Yurt2 · 03-09-2015 12:14AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

In fairness countries like Lebanon and Jordan are extremely overburdened with people from this crisis. Lebanon is already a fragile place and is now barely held together with sticky tape with the influx of migrants. It's likely many coming to Europe would have set off from there.

Eugene Norman · 03-09-2015 12:15AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Load a bollocks, my brother has a house in Sao Paulo, his neighbours will never be poor, the poor buggers in the favelas will never have running water.

I went to school with people who have houses in Howth and Knightsbridge, others haven't the price of a can of Galahad tomorrow morning. But, and here's the but, in ten years time that could be completely reversed. We have no class structure, no barriers, no ceilings. We are extremely lucky in where we live, a country where we can always go to the neighbours for something to eat, and yes, we can do more.

Yes. In ten years time million euro houses will be bought by people with bog all money now, and the millionaires will be on the street, or in a dingy rental. Happens everyday. Then that will reverse. Then ten years later anto from coolock will in Howth and the guy from Howth in mulhudderet. Then that will reverse again. By the time people reach 80 they will have been millionaires for 10-20 years, homeless for 19, middleclass for twenty and solid working class for 20. They'll take a year off to travel.

You are insane

The fact that in capitalist societies some poor people become rich doesn't mean they aren't rich when they become rich. And rich people are in a different class to the poor.

And the costs of the crisis should be born by the rich.

Cold War Kid · 03-09-2015 12:16AM

I understand a need for immigration control, but it dismays me how utterly heartless some are being towards innocent civilians - yet at the same time condemning (rightly so) the brutes they're fleeing from.

Those folks ranting on social media about how "we" should do something - meaning everyone else and not them - aren't helping the situation either though.

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:16AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

Jordan have taken in 25% of their own population, why should the burden be on them?

Eugene Norman · 03-09-2015 12:17AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Of course there isn't. What do you believe are the impediments? Difficult, yes, impossible, definitely not. As is the reverse.

Please stop. You have no idea of social mobility or what a class system is. If everybody in the top 50% moved to the bottom 50% and vice versa you would still have a class system.

03-09-2015 12:17AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

The Gulf region is so rich and prosperous, as well as more culturally similar to the countries these people are coming from. Why are we not playing the guilt cards with them? Why should it be down to Europe to solve the problem?

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:18AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

Arab countries are taking their share, look at Lebanon and Jordan.

And because in what seems to be an uncivilised world we can show civility.

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 12:18AM

efb wrote: »

Stability isnt really happening in the middle east at the minute...

Saudi Arabia is relatively stable, then there's Oman, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait. Qatar are spending $20billion on world cup 2022 (not to mention their funding of Daesh), wouldn't that money be better spent on building tower blocks to house Syrian immigrants rather than white elephant stadiums that'll be used once and never again?

BlaasForRafa · 03-09-2015 12:19AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Jordan have taken in 25% of their own population, why should the burden be on them?

Jordan and Lebanon aren't the only arab countries you know. There are several phenomenally wealthy arab countries who could do far more (and stop funding Daesh while they're at it).

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 12:20AM

petrolcan wrote: »

Depends what news source you tapped in to.

The news about the syrian crisis has been constant, Im not criticising that. Its the fact that the heinous crimes against innocent syrian children 2-4 years ago garnered very little attention from general european society and now suddenly theres a public outcry and marches to save everyone and adopt syrian families, which I find strange.

doulikeit · 03-09-2015 12:22AM

johnty56 wrote:

Whats that supposed to mean. buddy.

I just thought your post sounded a bit cold, im sure when his parents dressed him that morning that was not how they expected for there wee son to end up, maybe they thought they were doing the right thing a better life in Europe I dont know, but ill bet you that was not how they intended it, I hope this scale of tragedy never reaches you

03-09-2015 12:22AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I understand a need for immigration control, but it dismays me how utterly heartless some are being towards innocent civilians

It's not important whether it's heartless or not. The world is a nasty, horrible place, but national policies should be based on more than "feelings". Homelessness is a terrible problem but that doesn't mean we should spend our GDP on building mansions for poor homeless people and pay for a lifetime supply of methadone for them.

Then we have to think of the precedent. If we house, feed and clothe the ones that make it over here, then mark my words there will be twice as many coming over next summer, and by extension twice as many innocent deaths from drowning etc.

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 12:22AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

To be fair, Turkey for instance has taken in well over a million syrian refugees. Syrian border countries are pulling their weight too

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 12:24AM

efb wrote: »

This smacks of NIMBYSM to me

Not at all. I'm old enough to remember the refugees that moved into the old nurses home in Cherry Orchard Hospital in the '92 and have read about the Vietnamese boat people and the Hungarians who were taken in and just told welcome to Ireland a good place to live.

Wipe the sentiment from the eyes for a moment now though and understand that this current migration is almost purely driven by the desire for a better life and benefits or work away from their own country where these are not available, the migration is also heavily organised by both the people travelling who are not so poor that they can't pay for passage and also by wealthy criminals who are providing the boats and then leaving these people to die.

wakka12 wrote: »

It wasnt as trendy to care about the innocent children being slaughtered in syria four years ago was it though

Angola was another hotspot that Europe seems to have ignored where millions of men women and children were hacked to death and shot and raped by marauding gangs of soldiers and rebels!

Don't forget their neighbours in Democratic Republic of Congo who are also going at it killing and raping all in their paths. the death toll there is about 5.5million.

My name is URL · 03-09-2015 12:25AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There's plenty of room in Arab countries, why should the burden be on us?

Which Arab countries would be safe and have sufficient resources to deal with every refugee. Go on, be specific. Should it be one of those 'Arab' countries in bed with American and European leaders?... the same ones funding ISIS?

Good job western leaders didn't take the same approach after WW2... otherwise Israel wouldn't exist.. Although, that might actually be a good thing for the ME

efb · 03-09-2015 12:26AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Not at all. I'm old enough to remember the refugees that moved into the old nurses home in Cherry Orchard Hospital in the '92 and have read about the Vietnamese boat people and the Hungarians who were taken in and just told welcome to Ireland a good place to live.

Wipe the sentiment from the eyes for a moment now though and understand that this current migration is almost purely driven by the desire for a better life and benefits or work away from their own country where these are not available, the migration is also heavily organised by both the people travelling who are not so poor that they can't pay for passage and also by wealthy criminals who are providing the boats and then leaving these people to die.

Angola was another hotspot that Europe seems to have ignored where millions of men women and children were hacked to death and shot and raped by marauding gangs of soldiers and rebels!

Don't forget their neighbours in Democratic Republic of Congo who are also going at it killing and raping all in their paths. the death toll there is about 5.5million.

So they risk life and limb for benefits??? A shared room and a bus pass?

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:27AM

wakka12 wrote: »

The news about the syrian crisis has been constant, Im not criticising that. Its the fact that the heinous crimes against innocent syrian children 2-4 years ago garnered very little attention from general european society and now suddenly theres a public outcry and marches to save everyone and adopt syrian families, which I find strange.

Unfortunately the 'mainstream' media tap into viewer and readership figures.

Ukraine is all sorted now don't you know.

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:29AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Jordan and Lebanon aren't the only arab countries you know. There are several phenomenally wealthy arab countries who could do far more (and stop funding Daesh while they're at it).

All the more reason to support and stand in solidarity withArab nations that give a fcuk about human beings then no? How did Europe become the homogeneous region it is today? It wasn't vested interests, it wasn't lizard people or NWO, it was ordinary Joe and Josephine Soaps like you and me.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:29AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Saudi Arabia is relatively stable, then there's Oman, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait. Qatar are spending $20billion on world cup 2022 (not to mention their funding of Daesh), wouldn't that money be better spent on building tower blocks to house Syrian immigrants rather than white elephant stadiums that'll be used once and never again?

The Qatar World Cup situation is a disgrace. These countries you speak of have awful human rights records- can you guarantee the safety of the refugees???

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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