"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

BlaasForRafa · 02-09-2015 11:55PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The recent "Arab springs" were orchestrated in Washington. Senator McCain met with Syrian Rebels. They also brought down Ghadfiffi. Saudi and Qatar do what they are told and american drones are bombing Yemen too.

Saudi and Qatar do what they are told? Sorry but laughter is the only response to that. Opec has been engaged in a campaign to drive down oil and gas prices to put US shale gas producers out of business for a couple of years, they are hardly the American's pawns these days.

Saudi and Qatar have been funding Daesh to the tune of billions of dollars against the wishes of the US.

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 11:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you saying that if we take in a few thousand migrants then there's an equal chance of them ending up in Foxrock or Dalkey as there is of them ending up in north or west Dublin?

Give it a rest, we all know the migrants will be accepted and allowed to compete with working classes for jobs, accommodation, schools etc. The touchy feely types that are most loudly calling for acceptance of the migrants will still be allowed to live in their white native English speaking enclaves which will largely be unaffected.

And will most likely be the ones hiring the migrants for peanuts ahead of the low skilled working classes of or own.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:56PM

johnty56 wrote: »

That is a tragedy if it is true, but his parents put him on that boat. Not the Irish government or the Irish people.

Why did his parents put him on the boat? Lolz and bantz?

They were fleeing war and a country in crisis

johnty56 · 02-09-2015 11:57PM

efb wrote: »

From the EU budget

Which of course is replenished by the EU budget fairy every night at the stroke of midnight

Yurt2 · 02-09-2015 11:57PM

N365 wrote: »

We have the resources,plenty of them( the banks figured that out). Are you seriously concerned with ghettos when you see families with babies piled on overcrowded boats ? Maybe the navy should check the pockets of the ones that are drowning for identification to see if they are really Syrian before they pull them on board.

You're talking potty, We absolutely do not have the resources to properly look after 'en masse' migration as you suggest. We can deal with a couple of thousand maybe (if we are to do it properly). Yes we have to make sure we can look after them right at the risk of magically creating a brand new underclass because certain folk want to throw open the doors and ignore common sense because of something they saw on facebook.

And yes we need to ascertain where these people originate from. If they're from Egypt or Morocco or another non-conflict zone (and I guarantee there are people from non conflict countries taking a chance with this wave) , then back they should go, we don't owe those people anything. Genuine refugees that don't have a viable country first and foremost get looked after.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:57PM

petrolcan wrote: »

Shall we form a party?

the party of self righteous house owners who believe that renters and people on waiting lists should bear the brunt of the refugee crisis?

BlaasForRafa · 02-09-2015 11:57PM

efb wrote: »

They were fleeing war and a country in crisis

They already had refuge in Turkey.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:57PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

You own a house in London? Why isn't there a spare room.

I don't own a house in London. I live in Watford. Warner Bros would like you to believe it's in London to promote their Harry Potter Studios up the road but it's just plain old Watford.

Father in law lives with us and child won't move out hence no empty room.

I'm working on it!!

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 11:58PM

johnty56 wrote: »

That is a tragedy if it is true, but his parents put him on that boat. Not the Irish government or the Irish people.

Yes but his parents had little or no choice because the US decided to back a group of head hackers against Assad and then lost control of them resulting in chaos and said families fleeing for their lives.

johnty56 · 02-09-2015 11:59PM

efb wrote: »

Why did his parents put him on the boat? Lolz and bantz?

They were fleeing war and a country in crisis

They put their children on a rickety boat, knowing full well that there were risks, instead of going into Turkey, or overland to another safe place?

Why????

Is the fact that the EU is now making it slightly less dangerous by picking the boats up near libya contributing to such decisions do you think? Is this a possibility?

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:59PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Saudi and Qatar do what they are told? Sorry but laughter is the only response to that. Opec has been engaged in a campaign to drive down oil and gas prices to put US shale gas producers out of business for a couple of years, they are hardly the American's pawns these days.

Saudi and Qatar have been funding Daesh to the tune of billions of dollars against the wishes of the US.

They are client States of the U.S. The driving down oil was to bankrupt Russia. Partly because of Russia's support of Assad.

America is also at war with Yemen since drone attacks are acts of war.

Yurt2 · 02-09-2015 11:59PM

efb wrote: »

The housing crisis can be addressed by building more housing and I fixing the houses we have. This would create employment.increase in schools more building, more jobs for unemployed teachers

Edited for being unnecessarily harsh.

doulikeit · 03-09-2015 12:00AM

johnty56 wrote:

That is a tragedy if it is true, but his parents put him on that boat. Not the Irish government or the Irish people.

Harsh words buddy I hope one day that you look at this picture again and see that

jimgoose · 03-09-2015 12:00AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

We are not going to build enough houses in time so these houses will be either taken from council housing increasing the waiting list , or reduce the stock of private housing pushing up rents. Building more is a cost too.

Instead the government should severely tax empty rooms in private housing, unless the occupant is sick or octogenarian.

I'll see your troll, and raise you that the box-room in all three-bed public housing occupied by an illiterate twenty-something with a couple of toddlers should be allocated to refugee families.

wakka12 · 03-09-2015 12:00AM

It wasnt as trendy to care about the innocent children being slaughtered in syria four years ago was it though

03-09-2015 12:01AM

petrolcan wrote: »

Well the population before the famine was 8.2 million and it's now 6.4 million (incl Norn Iron).

There's room, plenty of it.

Is the will there though?

Oh I never said there wasn't room. If we get subsidies from the EU we could leave more in.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 12:01AM

I'm all for letting more refugees in if they housed in leafy south Dublin suburbs and allowed into private schools. What say you tree huggers?

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:02AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There are no classes in Ireland

What?

Are you saying that you don't look down your nose at those who peel the spuds before boiling?

johnty56 · 03-09-2015 12:02AM

doulikeit wrote: »

Harsh words buddy I hope one day that you look at this picture again and see that

Whats that supposed to mean. buddy.

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2015 12:02AM

johnty56 wrote: »

What country do you live in?

Call them classes, call them socio economic groupings if you prefer, but I will make it simple for you. Some people have lots , some people have enough and some people have very little. Some people own lots of houses , some people own their own house, and some people struggle on a monthly basis to keep paying the rent so that they will have a roof over their heads the next month.

It tends to be those who either have lots or those who have enough that are calling for us to take more migrants, knowing full well that it is those who have very little that will pay the real costs- competing for housing, education, healthcare, etc etc.

It tends to be those who have health insurance and pensionable jobs who think that we should do more, not those who have to wait 2 years for to get on the waiting list for a public appointment.

But as you say, there are no classes in Ireland.

Load a bollocks, my brother has a house in Sao Paulo, his neighbours will never be poor, the poor buggers in the favelas will never have running water.

I went to school with people who have houses in Howth and Knightsbridge, others haven't the price of a can of Galahad tomorrow morning. But, and here's the but, in ten years time that could be completely reversed. We have no class structure, no barriers, no ceilings. We are extremely lucky in where we live, a country where we can always go to the neighbours for something to eat, and yes, we can do more.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 12:03AM

wakka12 wrote: »

It wasnt as trendy to care about the innocent children being slaughtered in syria four years ago was it though

Funny how the media didn't show images of dead children in the ruins of buildings in Gaza a while back. No agenda there at all :rolleyes:

Eugene Norman · 03-09-2015 12:05AM

jimgoose wrote: »

I'll see your troll, and raise you that the box-room in all three-bed public housing occupied by an illiterate twenty-something with a couple of toddlers should be allocated to refugee families.

Why is this a troll? Why is it obvious that we must seize income from people in the rental sector to make their rents higher as we pay for rent for refugees, or ad to the waiting lists. In WWII migrants from cities were put into private housing. If this is a crisis then let's act like it.

We can move into social housing and the "illiterate" 20 year old ( not sure why that is a criteria) when the reserve houses of the rich and middle classes are exhausted.

In any case I don't think families with kids will be affected as they won't have spare rooms.

Reedsie · 03-09-2015 12:06AM

A less haunting image of the little boy with his brother

efb · 03-09-2015 12:06AM

http://homepage.eircom.net/~williamwall/williamwall/Ice_Moon_Blog/Entries/2015/9/1_Open_the_gates._Just_open_the_****ing_gates..html

johnty56 · 03-09-2015 12:07AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Load a bollocks, my brother has a house in Sao Paulo, his neighbours will never be poor, the poor buggers in the favelas will never have running water.

I went to school with people who have houses in Howth and Knightsbridge, others haven't the price of a can of Galahad tomorrow morning. But, and here's the but, in ten years time that could be completely reversed. We have no class structure, no barriers, no ceilings. We are extremely lucky in where we live, a country where we can always go to the neighbours for something to eat, and yes, we can do more.

I'm sorry but you must ... miguided ( had to edit that ). You are telling me that there is absolutely no impediment to someone without a pot to piss in in 21st century Ireland, living week to week, from being a millionaire with houses in Howth and Knightsbrige in ten years time.

It must be nice on your planet.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 12:07AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Load a bollocks, my brother has a house in Sao Paulo, his neighbours will never be poor, the poor buggers in the favelas will never have running water.

I went to school with people who have houses in Howth and Knightsbridge, others haven't the price of a can of Galahad tomorrow morning. But, and here's the but, in ten years time that could be completely reversed. We have no class structure, no barriers, no ceilings. We are extremely lucky in where we live, a country where we can always go to the neighbours for something to eat, and yes, we can do more.

BS. How many working class inner city Dublin voices do you here in the Dail or on RTE? No barriers please tell me you are taking the piss? Anyway this is going off track.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:07AM

efb wrote: »

His younger brother is also dead

Older, but your point still stands.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:07AM

johnty56 wrote: »

No. I feel no guilt at all, none , zilch,.

It is not my fault in any way at all, nor am i in the least bit responsible or culpable.

As for living in luxury, you know nothing about me.

I meant relative luxury, as compared to Syrian Refugees

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 12:08AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

More facile commentary. Before the famine people lived in stone and mud hits. Standards are slightly higher.

But the room to increase the population is there. Just as it is in the UK.

efb · 03-09-2015 12:09AM

Reedsie wrote: »

A less haunting image of the little boy with his brother

Both now dead. But Ireland's full... UK's full...

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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