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Aran island people

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  • #32
    KingBrian2
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    The Aran Islands need a free travel route like on the continent.


  • #33
    Dan_Solo
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    Arsemageddon wrote: »
    Their complaints are perfectly valid - the decision to fly from Carnmore seems to be more about tourists than the people who live or work on the islands.
    Then why don't they just pay to have those flights continue?
    I guess they just don't want it to then, huh?


  • #34
    Sh1tbag OToole
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
    If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
    And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

    Most of us live on an island and if Aer Lingus and Ryanair decide to feck off people will be moaning as well. One might choose to move to an island knowing it was served by a reliable airline, if that service wasn't there one might not have decided to move. If the service goes away shortly after you moving you'd probably be fairly pissed off.

    You're active in the Irish Language is dieing thread as well. Seems like you reject typical notions of Irishness, perhaps you speak with a D4 accent or a 'cultivated' American one. If a thread about cutting turf came up you'd probably be all over that too.


  • #35
    Dan_Solo
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    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The Aran Islands need a free travel route like on the continent.
    Why not have all transport in Ireland free? Only those who choose to live on an island deserve freebies, yeah?


  • #36
    ThisRegard
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    Fran1985 wrote: »
    Helicoptors seemingly arent as reliable in weather that frequents that neck of the woods.

    They better tell the coastguards all over the world that mount successful operations in such weather.


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  • #37
    Sh1tbag OToole
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Why not have all transport in Ireland free? Only those who choose to live on an island deserve freebies, yeah?

    There is something to be said for it. Maybe we would finally end up with decent public transport and many billions will stay in the country as we wouldn't be importing nearly as much oil and cars


  • #38
    ThisRegard
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

    If you want to look at the larger picture, cultural and historic reasons.

    Why aren't helicopters suitable, not why do the islands need to be populated.


  • #39
    Arsemageddon
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Then why don't they just pay to have those flights continue?
    I guess they just don't want it to then, huh?

    Why do you give a fvck what they do?


  • #40
    Dan_Solo
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Most of us live on an island and if Aer Lingus and Ryanair decide to feck off people will be moaning as well. One might choose to move to an island knowing it was served by a reliable airline, if that service wasn't there one might not have decided to move. If the service goes away shortly after you moving you'd probably be fairly pissed off.
    Irrelevant. The reason Aer Lingus and Ryanair (and many many other airlines) run flights to Ireland is because people are willing to pay for them. Or do you think there should be 75% subsidies on all flights in the country too?
    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    You're active in the Irish Language is dieing thread as well. Seems like you reject typical notions of Irishness, perhaps you speak with a D4 accent or a 'cultivated' American one. If a thread about cutting turf came up you'd probably be all over that too.
    And you're active there demanding freebies for the professionally Irish. Because I don't like my taxes going to stuff that makes no sense I am anti-Irish? Yeah, sure.
    PS: you know feck all about me so drop the amateur profiling ****e.


  • #41
    KingBrian2
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Why aren't helicopters suitable, not why do the islands need to be populated.

    Maybe they are afraid to use helicopters in bad weather.


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  • #42
    Dan_Solo
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    Arsemageddon wrote: »
    Why do you give a fvck what they do?
    NEWS FLASH!!
    Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.


  • #43
    Menas
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    I got that plane once from Galway to the Aran islands.
    They weigh you before they assign seats to make sure the plane is well balanced.
    And they were ahead of the times in terms of having your mobile off during the flight.

    I am sure though that the islanders charge you double if they know you took the plane instead of the boat ferry.....


  • #44
    ThisRegard
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    Just to clarify, the flights aren't free to islanders, but subsidised.


  • #45
    Dan_Solo
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Just to clarify, the flights aren't free to islanders, but subsidised.
    The flights are all subsidized, just more so for islanders.


  • #46
    ThisRegard
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    Yeah, about a tenner or fiver cheaper I think I saw on the fares list.


  • #47
    Dughorm
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    They can stay where they like, there's just no reason to expect everyone else to pay for them to.

    Smokers can smoke what they like, there's no reason to expect everyone else to pay for their healthcare. Increase tax on cigarettes you say. But smokers pay taxes like everyone else too and are entitled to healthcare.

    Drivers can drive where they like, there's no reason to expect everyone else to pay roads for them. Increase road tax you say. But drivers pay taxes like everyone else too and are entitled to decent roads.

    Islanders can live where they like, AND they pay taxes like everyone else too - they are more than entitled to campaign for this.


  • #48
    Arsemageddon
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    NEWS FLASH!!
    Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.

    EXTRA NEWS FLASH11

    Our taxes subsidise all kinds of stuff, rail and bus travel, small airports, pensioners, education, agriculture, sports, culture etc, etc. Spreading the wealth around is just the kind of thing that societies are supposed to do.

    Welcome to the early years of the 1900s


  • #49
    Dan_Solo
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Yeah, about a tenner or fiver cheaper I think I saw on the fares list.
    How did I guess you'd lowball that difference?


  • #50
    Sh1tbag OToole
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Irrelevant. The reason Aer Lingus and Ryanair (and many many other airlines) run flights to Ireland is because people are willing to pay for them. Or do you think there should be 75% subsidies on all flights in the country too?
    And you're active there demanding freebies for the professionally Irish. Because I don't like my taxes going to stuff that makes no sense I am anti-Irish? Yeah, sure.
    PS: you know feck all about me so drop the amateur profiling ****e.

    There are subsidised routes in Ireland that don't serve any islands. Airlines are also given sweeteners all the time to bring tourists into the land. It isn't unusual or morally wrong to subsidise public transport

    Unless you're a millionaire the amount of 'your' tax that gets spent on the Gaeilge and the Islands amounts to less than a couple of quid. You'd be better off filling in a few paid surveys instead of campaigning for their funding to be cut. There is also the very real possibility that cutting the subsidies would not actually save the government any money and even if it did it's highly unlikely you'll see any savings yourself


  • #51
    baaba maal
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    NEWS FLASH!!
    Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.

    Are you against the principle of subsidising any service in the country or just this one?


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  • #52
    ThisRegard
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    How did I guess you'd lowball that difference?

    I don't get your point? All I said is that's what I think the difference is. Not everyone has an agenda.


  • #53
    AngryHippie
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    They better tell the coastguards all over the world that mount successful operations in such weather.

    I've been in the RNLI helicopter. It's got a lot of gizmos and gadgets in it and on it to keep it in the air in those weather conditions. More toys = less passengers and cargo. The pilots and crew also spend a huge level of time training. I.E when they aren't busy rescuing someone, they are busy training (Was on a ferry to Inis Oirr one day when they did a training lift of the back of the boat).
    The level of skill, experience and equipment involved is well above and beyond that which will be available for commercial chopper pilots on a milk run from Galway to the islands. They will spend a lot of time on the ground looking out at a windsock.


  • #54
    ThisRegard
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    I'm not an expert so can't argue, but similar are used on the runs to the oil rigs in the north sea aren't there?


  • #55
    AngryHippie
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    I'm not an expert so can't argue, but similar are used on the runs to the oil rigs in the north sea aren't there?

    I haven't seen any details on the proposed helicopters to be used, but I'm pretty sure they wont be rescue spec S-92s.


  • #56
    ThisRegard
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    Obviously.


  • #57
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »
    There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

    1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

    2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

    3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

    4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

    So now you might see why people are upset.

    1&2. Seems to be the same complaint really, but you can still do the drive and an extra 30 minutes every so often doesn't seem that terrible. Presumably for a certain silent percentage of islanders it will actually be a more convenient airport anyway.

    3. Interestingly some posters on the aviation forum think the opposite is true, that the helicopters will be able to fly in a wider range of weather conditions than the planes currently do.

    4. Presumably an equivalent amount of jobs will be created in Carnmore so it balances out?
    Arsemageddon wrote: »
    Most of the islanders keep a car at Inverin or Rossaveal so they can go about their business when they come to the mainland. They won't be able to keep a car at Carnmore.

    Why cant they keep a car in the Carnmore vicinity?


  • #58
    Arsemageddon
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    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Why cant they keep a car in the Carnmore vicinity?

    Carnmore is the other side of Galway city, it's about 30 miles from Inverin but the traffic in Galway is brutal at rush hour it can take an hour and a half to two hours too travel that distance.

    Not everyone coming from the islands wants/needs to go into Galway.


  • #59
    petrolcan
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
    If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
    And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

    You live on an island too you know.


  • #60
    Junkyard Tom
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    A road tunnel would be cheaper in the long run.


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  • #61
    Paramite Pie
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.

    People don't choose where they're born. Many things in this country are subsidised and since these guys live out on the islands they don't get the benefit of much of the mainland spending. So I'm okay with a little subsidisation for them.


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