Aran island people

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I can't understand why are they complaining ? They will still have an air service, just in a helicopter instead of a plane.

Annasopra

Any context?

KingBrian2

Aer Arann should remain in some capacity and maybe enhanced to cover other parts of the country.

seamus

Here: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-insists-no-contract-signed-in-aran-island-air-dispute-693891.html

It's probably a fair point, helicopters are probably as safe, but they can't carry as many passengers and are more likely to stay grounded in conditions that a plane would fly through.

Still though, if you insist on living on a remote island, you can't really be picky about this stuff.

kneemos

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

byhookorbycrook

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

Fr_Dougal

Think that's bad? I live in a place where they take the roads in when the weathers bad.

ThisRegard

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

Why?

Nodin

kneemos wrote: »

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

For fecks sake, its off Galway not Cork.

The Backwards Man

There are a lot more populated islands around the world without a regular air service than ones that have. People just don't like having their perks taken off them. There's nothing stopping the islanders setting up an air service themselves if it's that vital to the very essence of their existence. Well actually there is one thing, they ability to do it with other people's money.

dodderangler

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Think that's bad? I live in a place where they take the roads in when the weathers bad.

Still have them in the warehouse on other side of the island
Pick them up

KingBrian2

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

If they cut the service they lose if they keep it the lose best option is to design a better travel route for the locals.

johnny osbourne

seamus wrote: »

Here: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-insists-no-contract-signed-in-aran-island-air-dispute-693891.html

It's probably a fair point, helicopters are probably as safe, but they can't carry as many passengers and are more likely to stay grounded in conditions that a plane would fly through.

Still though, if you insist on living on a remote island, you can't really be picky about this stuff.

ah come on you'd want to be mad going up in a helicopter, what if the engine failed out over galway bay, at least with the plane you could glide on a bit and land, i suppose you'll be saying next engines don't fail

Fran1985

Helicoptors seemingly arent as reliable in weather that frequents that neck of the woods. Also they'll take off from an airport almost an hour away. The current airport is 10 mins from the ferry port which gives a chance if one method of travel fails.

byhookorbycrook

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why?

If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

If you want to look at the larger picture, cultural and historic reasons.

kneemos

KingBrian2 wrote: »

If they cut the service they lose if they keep it the lose best option is to design a better travel route for the locals.

Boats?

byhookorbycrook

kneemos wrote: »

Boats?

You obviously have never travelled to any island in stormy weather. Or even when there is an Atlantic swell.

Not G.R

Nodin wrote: »

For fecks sake, its off Galway not Cork.

So swim over on an organic boat made of seaweed to protect their dreds and their drums.

kneemos

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

You obviously have never travelled to any island in stormy weather. Or even when there is an Atlantic swell.

Certainly haven't.

What do they contribute that warrents an air service.

seamus

johnny osbourne wrote: »

ah come on you'd want to be mad going up in a helicopter, what if the engine failed out over galway bay, at least with the plane you could glide on a bit and land, i suppose you'll be saying next engines don't fail

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

Dan_Solo

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

There's a few uninhabited islands around Ireland. Can I have free transport to and from the mainland if I want to live on one?

Dan_Solo

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

I guarantee you that if the money now going into subsidizing Aran Island flights was spent on ambulances at Galway University Hospital we'd have far, far, more lives saved.

Sh1tbag OToole

seamus wrote: »

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

Don't ever get into a helicopter that isn't leaking hydraulic fluid 'cause that means it's all gone

2rkehij30qtza5

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

kneemos

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

So why should we care?

Dan_Solo

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

2rkehij30qtza5

Dan_Solo wrote: »

THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

We all CHOOSE to live where we do for goodness sake! People have lived on the islands for millennia...what are you going to do?..evict all islanders?!

Dan_Solo

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

We all CHOOSE to live where we do for goodness sake! People have lived on the islands for millennia...what are you going to do?..evict all islanders?!

Yes, but I'm not asking for basically free transport whenever I like, am I?
Who said evict them? You just made that up. They can stay where they like, there's just no reason to expect everyone else to pay for them to.

johnny osbourne

seamus wrote: »

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

have you ever been in a helicopter that dropped through an air-pocket (vacuum) out over galway bay?

johnny osbourne

kneemos wrote: »

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

fyi its horned feet and giant heads

Arsemageddon

The airplane flies from Inverin in Connemara, the proposed helicopter service will fly from the old Galway airport at Carnmore which is located to the east of Galway city about 30 miles and from Inverin. If the weather is too bad for the plane to fly they can still get the boat from Rossaveal which is just up the road from Inverin.

Most of the islanders keep a car at Inverin or Rossaveal so they can go about their business when they come to the mainland. They won't be able to keep a car at Carnmore.

Their complaints are perfectly valid - the decision to fly from Carnmore seems to be more about tourists than the people who live or work on the islands.

KingBrian2

The Aran Islands need a free travel route like on the continent.

Dan_Solo

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Their complaints are perfectly valid - the decision to fly from Carnmore seems to be more about tourists than the people who live or work on the islands.

Then why don't they just pay to have those flights continue?
I guess they just don't want it to then, huh?

Sh1tbag OToole

Dan_Solo wrote: »

THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

Most of us live on an island and if Aer Lingus and Ryanair decide to feck off people will be moaning as well. One might choose to move to an island knowing it was served by a reliable airline, if that service wasn't there one might not have decided to move. If the service goes away shortly after you moving you'd probably be fairly pissed off.

You're active in the Irish Language is dieing thread as well. Seems like you reject typical notions of Irishness, perhaps you speak with a D4 accent or a 'cultivated' American one. If a thread about cutting turf came up you'd probably be all over that too.

Dan_Solo

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The Aran Islands need a free travel route like on the continent.

Why not have all transport in Ireland free? Only those who choose to live on an island deserve freebies, yeah?

ThisRegard

Fran1985 wrote: »

Helicoptors seemingly arent as reliable in weather that frequents that neck of the woods.

They better tell the coastguards all over the world that mount successful operations in such weather.

Sh1tbag OToole

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why not have all transport in Ireland free? Only those who choose to live on an island deserve freebies, yeah?

There is something to be said for it. Maybe we would finally end up with decent public transport and many billions will stay in the country as we wouldn't be importing nearly as much oil and cars

ThisRegard

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

If you want to look at the larger picture, cultural and historic reasons.

Why aren't helicopters suitable, not why do the islands need to be populated.

Arsemageddon

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Then why don't they just pay to have those flights continue?
I guess they just don't want it to then, huh?

Why do you give a fvck what they do?

Dan_Solo

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Most of us live on an island and if Aer Lingus and Ryanair decide to feck off people will be moaning as well. One might choose to move to an island knowing it was served by a reliable airline, if that service wasn't there one might not have decided to move. If the service goes away shortly after you moving you'd probably be fairly pissed off.

Irrelevant. The reason Aer Lingus and Ryanair (and many many other airlines) run flights to Ireland is because people are willing to pay for them. Or do you think there should be 75% subsidies on all flights in the country too?

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

You're active in the Irish Language is dieing thread as well. Seems like you reject typical notions of Irishness, perhaps you speak with a D4 accent or a 'cultivated' American one. If a thread about cutting turf came up you'd probably be all over that too.

And you're active there demanding freebies for the professionally Irish. Because I don't like my taxes going to stuff that makes no sense I am anti-Irish? Yeah, sure.
PS: you know feck all about me so drop the amateur profiling ****e.

KingBrian2

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why aren't helicopters suitable, not why do the islands need to be populated.

Maybe they are afraid to use helicopters in bad weather.

Dan_Solo

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Why do you give a fvck what they do?

NEWS FLASH!!
Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.

Menas

I got that plane once from Galway to the Aran islands.
They weigh you before they assign seats to make sure the plane is well balanced.
And they were ahead of the times in terms of having your mobile off during the flight.

I am sure though that the islanders charge you double if they know you took the plane instead of the boat ferry.....

ThisRegard

Just to clarify, the flights aren't free to islanders, but subsidised.

Dan_Solo

ThisRegard wrote: »

Just to clarify, the flights aren't free to islanders, but subsidised.

The flights are all subsidized, just more so for islanders.

ThisRegard

Yeah, about a tenner or fiver cheaper I think I saw on the fares list.

Dughorm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

They can stay where they like, there's just no reason to expect everyone else to pay for them to.

Smokers can smoke what they like, there's no reason to expect everyone else to pay for their healthcare. Increase tax on cigarettes you say. But smokers pay taxes like everyone else too and are entitled to healthcare.

Drivers can drive where they like, there's no reason to expect everyone else to pay roads for them. Increase road tax you say. But drivers pay taxes like everyone else too and are entitled to decent roads.

Islanders can live where they like, AND they pay taxes like everyone else too - they are more than entitled to campaign for this.

Arsemageddon

Dan_Solo wrote: »

NEWS FLASH!!
Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.

EXTRA NEWS FLASH11

Our taxes subsidise all kinds of stuff, rail and bus travel, small airports, pensioners, education, agriculture, sports, culture etc, etc. Spreading the wealth around is just the kind of thing that societies are supposed to do.

Welcome to the early years of the 1900s

Dan_Solo

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, about a tenner or fiver cheaper I think I saw on the fares list.

How did I guess you'd lowball that difference?

Sh1tbag OToole

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Irrelevant. The reason Aer Lingus and Ryanair (and many many other airlines) run flights to Ireland is because people are willing to pay for them. Or do you think there should be 75% subsidies on all flights in the country too?
And you're active there demanding freebies for the professionally Irish. Because I don't like my taxes going to stuff that makes no sense I am anti-Irish? Yeah, sure.
PS: you know feck all about me so drop the amateur profiling ****e.

There are subsidised routes in Ireland that don't serve any islands. Airlines are also given sweeteners all the time to bring tourists into the land. It isn't unusual or morally wrong to subsidise public transport

Unless you're a millionaire the amount of 'your' tax that gets spent on the Gaeilge and the Islands amounts to less than a couple of quid. You'd be better off filling in a few paid surveys instead of campaigning for their funding to be cut. There is also the very real possibility that cutting the subsidies would not actually save the government any money and even if it did it's highly unlikely you'll see any savings yourself

baaba maal

Dan_Solo wrote: »

NEWS FLASH!!
Because we are all subsidizing their flights by a ridiculous amount? If they want to pay for their own flights I couldn't give two fvcks if they wanted to fly to Beijing and back.

Are you against the principle of subsidising any service in the country or just this one?