"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It does do a good job at highlighting how religion causes needless suffering.

It does.

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:40PM

efb wrote: »

Me? Firstly donate money to crisis agencies, be vocal about Ireland stepping up to help

Not hugely significant compared to the cost to the poor or rental classes.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you saying that if we take in a few thousand migrants then there's an equal chance of them ending up in Foxrock or Dalkey as there is of them ending up in north or west Dublin?

Give it a rest, we all know the migrants will be accepted and allowed to compete with working classes for jobs, accommodation, schools etc. The touchy feely types that are most loudly calling for acceptance of the migrants will still be allowed to live in their white native English speaking enclaves which will largely be unaffected.

Am I touchy feely??? I have 3 refugee families on my street and it more houses are available I've no problem more being housed

efb · 02-09-2015 11:41PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Not hugely significant compared to the cost to the poor or rental classes.

What is the cost to the poor you keep referring to??

The competition for housing? These houses are separately funded

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you saying that if we take in a few thousand migrants then there's an equal chance of them ending up in Foxrock or Dalkey as there is of them ending up in north or west Dublin?

Give it a rest, we all know the migrants will be accepted and allowed to compete with working classes for jobs, accommodation, schools etc. The touchy feely types that are most loudly calling for acceptance of the migrants will still be allowed to live in their white native English speaking enclaves which will largely be unaffected.

Yes. And that's exactly what we should avoid.

If a rich family have two or three houses -- yes backwards man that's a possibility -- with multiple spare bedrooms that's where we should try and house people.

BlaasForRafa · 02-09-2015 11:43PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

We are all yanks. Apparantly.

America hasn't offered anything has it? Israel not prepared to open its borders to non Jewish immigration. Both are more responsible than Ireland for the present crisis.

America pulled out of Iraq well before the Syrian rebellion. The situation in Iraq may have been unstable but that doesn't mean that the Sunni's had no other option but to turn into a bunch of rampaging savages, they could have used democratic means but murder and rape appealed to them more it seems.

How you ignore the Saudi and Qatari meddling in Syria is beyond me, they stirred up the anti-Shia/anti-Alawaite sentiment there which expanded into full blown civil war which they have amply funded. They have also instigated the anti-Shia civil war in Yemen which has driven thousands to flee that country as well.

Of course Israel isn't going to accept just anybody into the country, Israel is still technically in a state of war with Syria since 1973, the possibility of terrorists infiltrating disguised as refugees is way too high. The real sad fact of this is that Israel is the prime army in the area which could swiftly deal with Daesh but because of arab xenophobia towards Israel that won't happen....unfortunately for the syrian people.

The other army that could probably deal with Daesh is Turkey but they hate the Kurds more than they hate Daesh and would rather take the opportunity to bomb Kurdish fighters rather than Daesh fighters.

The war in Syria/Iraq is a hell of a lot more complicated than a lot of posters in AH seem to think.

02-09-2015 11:43PM

Are our social welfare and health situations really in such good health that we can afford to look after new arrivals? It's not so long ago that we were broke from rescuing the banks, and in need of a bailout by the way. Let us get back on our feet before trying to solve the world's problems.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know IRA had supporters back in the day and a few now

I'd say there's more than a few especially outside of Ireland.

but that is not based from a religion.

Ummm, really?

Actually UK have caused both the Irish and Muslim terrorist groups

At least it's no longer the fault of the US.

<shakes head>

Yurt2 · 02-09-2015 11:44PM

efb wrote: »

What is the cost to the poor?

More competition for limited public housing, increased cost of private rental sector, suppression of wages at the lower end of the economy , inferior public services, pressures on the public school system. Screw your head on, there are of course consequences.

BlaasForRafa · 02-09-2015 11:44PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

If a rich family have two or three houses -- yes backwards man that's a possibility -- with multiple spare bedrooms that's where we should try and house people.

State requisitioning of private property? Sounds a lot like communism to me.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are our social welfare and health situations really in such good health that we can afford to look after new arrivals? It's not so long ago that we were broke from rescuing the banks, and in need of a bailout by the way. Let us get back on our feet before trying to solve the world's problems.

The EU would be funding the settlemtn of refugees, so the monetary cost would be low. I believe weave a human duty to help

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:45PM

efb wrote: »

What is the cost to the poor you keep referring to??

The competition for housing? These houses are separately funded

We are not going to build enough houses in time so these houses will be either taken from council housing increasing the waiting list , or reduce the stock of private housing pushing up rents. Building more is a cost too.

Instead the government should severely tax empty rooms in private housing, unless the occupant is sick or octogenarian.

N365 · 02-09-2015 11:47PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Taking in a group 'en masse' (your words) without the resources to shelter them, treat them medically, ensure they don't become ghettoized never mind ascertaining if they're actually from Syria in the first place (Is speaking Arabic good enough to get on the plane?) or figuring out their background is madness. That's called making a rod for your own back. Not sustainable, not a good idea. We should do our part and take an appropriate quota (certainly the situation calls for us taking more), but it needs to be done right.

Oh, and the people traffickers need to be dealt with SEVERELY.

We have the resources,plenty of them( the banks figured that out). Are you seriously concerned with ghettos when you see families with babies piled on overcrowded boats ? Maybe the navy should check the pockets of the ones that are drowning for identification to see if they are really Syrian before they pull them on board.

johnty56 · 02-09-2015 11:47PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What country do you live in? There are no classes in Ireland, not in the sense that there is many countries around the world, despite what many agenda driven people would love to realise.

What country do you live in?

Call them classes, call them socio economic groupings if you prefer, but I will make it simple for you. Some people have lots , some people have enough and some people have very little. Some people own lots of houses , some people own their own house, and some people struggle on a monthly basis to keep paying the rent so that they will have a roof over their heads the next month.

It tends to be those who either have lots or those who have enough that are calling for us to take more migrants, knowing full well that it is those who have very little that will pay the real costs- competing for housing, education, healthcare, etc etc.

It tends to be those who have health insurance and pensionable jobs who think that we should do more, not those who have to wait 2 years for to get on the waiting list for a public appointment.

But as you say, there are no classes in Ireland.

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:47PM

Infini2 wrote: »

Your point being? You didnt even quote me right you just put a single word in that I didnt even say

But you did say it and that is my point.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:48PM

Yurt! wrote: »

More competition for limited public housing, increased cost of private rental sector, suppression of wages at the lower end of the economy , inferior public services, pressures on the public school system. Screw your head on, there are of course consequences.

The housing crisis can be addressed by building more housing and I fixing the houses we have. This would create employment.increase in schools more building, more jobs for unemployed teachers

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:49PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

America pulled out of Iraq well before the Syrian rebellion. The situation in Iraq may have been unstable but that doesn't mean that the Sunni's had no other option but to turn into a bunch of rampaging savages, they could have used democratic means but murder and rape appealed to them more it seems.

How you ignore the Saudi and Qatari meddling in Syria is beyond me, they stirred up the anti-Shia/anti-Alawaite sentiment there which expanded into full blown civil war which they have amply funded. They have also instigated the anti-Shia civil war in Yemen which has driven thousands to flee that country as well.

Of course Israel isn't going to accept just anybody into the country, Israel is still technically in a state of war with Syria since 1973, the possibility of terrorists infiltrating disguised as refugees is way too high. The real sad fact of this is that Israel is the prime army in the area which could swiftly deal with Daesh but because of arab xenophobia towards Israel that won't happen....unfortunately for the syrian people.

The other army that could probably deal with Daesh is Turkey but they hate the Kurds more than they hate Daesh and would rather take the opportunity to bomb Kurdish fighters rather than Daesh fighters.

The war in Syria/Iraq is a hell of a lot more complicated than a lot of posters in AH seem to think.

The recent "Arab springs" were orchestrated in Washington. Senator McCain met with Syrian Rebels. They also brought down Ghadfiffi. Saudi and Qatar do what they are told and american drones are bombing Yemen too.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:50PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

We are not going to build enough houses in time so these houses will be either taken from council housing increasing the waiting list , or reduce the stock of private housing pushing up rents. Building more is a cost too.

Instead the government should severely tax empty rooms in private housing, unless the occupant is sick or octogenarian.

The ones on my street were paid for by EU funds, upgraded and didn't come from Local housing stock

doulikeit · 02-09-2015 11:51PM

Poor wee boy, he should be worried about minions and paw patrol, im sorry wee man that this happened to you it breaks my heart to see you like this you didn't ask for or deserve this as a human being im appauled rest in peace wee man

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I do care. Ireland is also a small country but we have room to take some in. How many can we take in? I have no idea because I am not qualified to answer that.

Also from the 600 we take in they are allowed invite family over after a while so that 600 could multiply quite quick. In reality we are taking much more than 600.

Well the population before the famine was 8.2 million and it's now 6.4 million (incl Norn Iron).

There's room, plenty of it.

Is the will there though?

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:52PM

efb wrote: »

The housing crisis can be addressed by building more housing and I fixing the houses we have. This would create employment.increase in schools more building, more jobs for unemployed teachers

That all costs money. And we have not solved the existing crisis what makes you think that the government is going to to embark on a giant building scheme or that developers will develop enough houses?

The country doesn't work like that. It keeps rents and house prices high.

I notice a slight chill in the middle class air when the issue of whether the middle classes and rich could sacrificed a bedroom comes up.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:52PM

doulikeit wrote: »

Poor wee boy, he should be worried about minions and paw patrol, im sorry wee man that this happened to you it breaks my heart to see you like this you didn't ask for or deserve this as a human being im appauled rest in peace wee man

His younger brother is also dead

02-09-2015 11:52PM

efb wrote: »

The EU would be funding the settlemtn of refugees, so the monetary cost would be low. I believe weave a human duty to help

Sorry but where exactly do you think the EU get "their" money from? :rolleyes:

Eugene Norman · 02-09-2015 11:53PM

petrolcan wrote: »

Well the population before the famine was 8.2 million and it's now 6.4 million (incl Norn Iron).

There's room, plenty of it.

Is the will there though?

More facile commentary. Before the famine people lived in stone and mud hits. Standards are slightly higher.

Streetwalker · 02-09-2015 11:53PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

What country do you live in? There are no classes in Ireland, not in the sense that there is many countries around the world, despite what many agenda driven people would love to realise.

No classes in Ireland? Roight :pac:

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:53PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Am I the only one that is secretly glad that most of the posters on AH will never be involved in policy making at either national or international level?

I'm just a stupid bogman from the backarse of nowhere but I'm pretty sure I have more common decency in my wee toe than some of ye.

Shall we form a party?

efb · 02-09-2015 11:54PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

That all costs money. And we have not solved the existing crisis what makes you think that the government is going to to embark on a giant building scheme or that developers will develop enough houses?

The country doesn't work like that. It keeps rents and house prices high.

I notice a slight chill in the middle class air when the issue of whether the middle classes and rich could sacrificed a bedroom comes up.

If they agree at EU level money will be made available so houses. can be built/ungraded

petrolcan · 02-09-2015 11:54PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

You are an extremely annoying commentator.

So I've been told.

johnty56 · 02-09-2015 11:54PM

efb wrote: »

His younger brother is also dead

That is a tragedy if it is true, but his parents put him on that boat. Not the Irish government or the Irish people.

efb · 02-09-2015 11:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry but where exactly do you think the EU get "their" money from? :rolleyes:

From the EU budget

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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