Aran island people

I heart TV · 02-09-2015 09:14PM #1

I can't understand why are they complaining ? They will still have an air service, just in a helicopter instead of a plane.

Annasopra · 02-09-2015 09:18PM

Any context?

KingBrian2 · 02-09-2015 09:25PM

Aer Arann should remain in some capacity and maybe enhanced to cover other parts of the country.

seamus · 02-09-2015 09:25PM

Here: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-insists-no-contract-signed-in-aran-island-air-dispute-693891.html

It's probably a fair point, helicopters are probably as safe, but they can't carry as many passengers and are more likely to stay grounded in conditions that a plane would fly through.

Still though, if you insist on living on a remote island, you can't really be picky about this stuff.

kneemos · 02-09-2015 09:26PM

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

byhookorbycrook · 02-09-2015 09:27PM

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

Fr_Dougal · 02-09-2015 09:29PM

Think that's bad? I live in a place where they take the roads in when the weathers bad.

ThisRegard · 02-09-2015 09:38PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

Why?

Nodin · 02-09-2015 09:45PM

kneemos wrote: »

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

For fecks sake, its off Galway not Cork.

The Backwards Man · 02-09-2015 09:46PM

There are a lot more populated islands around the world without a regular air service than ones that have. People just don't like having their perks taken off them. There's nothing stopping the islanders setting up an air service themselves if it's that vital to the very essence of their existence. Well actually there is one thing, they ability to do it with other people's money.

dodderangler · 02-09-2015 09:46PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Think that's bad? I live in a place where they take the roads in when the weathers bad.

Still have them in the warehouse on other side of the island
Pick them up

KingBrian2 · 02-09-2015 09:49PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

If they cut the service they lose if they keep it the lose best option is to design a better travel route for the locals.

johnny osbourne · 02-09-2015 09:49PM

seamus wrote: »

Here: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/minister-insists-no-contract-signed-in-aran-island-air-dispute-693891.html

It's probably a fair point, helicopters are probably as safe, but they can't carry as many passengers and are more likely to stay grounded in conditions that a plane would fly through.

Still though, if you insist on living on a remote island, you can't really be picky about this stuff.

ah come on you'd want to be mad going up in a helicopter, what if the engine failed out over galway bay, at least with the plane you could glide on a bit and land, i suppose you'll be saying next engines don't fail

Fran1985 · 02-09-2015 09:52PM

Helicoptors seemingly arent as reliable in weather that frequents that neck of the woods. Also they'll take off from an airport almost an hour away. The current airport is 10 mins from the ferry port which gives a chance if one method of travel fails.

byhookorbycrook · 02-09-2015 09:53PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why?

If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

If you want to look at the larger picture, cultural and historic reasons.

kneemos · 02-09-2015 09:53PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

If they cut the service they lose if they keep it the lose best option is to design a better travel route for the locals.

Boats?

byhookorbycrook · 02-09-2015 09:56PM

kneemos wrote: »

Boats?

You obviously have never travelled to any island in stormy weather. Or even when there is an Atlantic swell.

Not G.R · 02-09-2015 09:58PM

Nodin wrote: »

For fecks sake, its off Galway not Cork.

So swim over on an organic boat made of seaweed to protect their dreds and their drums.

kneemos · 02-09-2015 10:02PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

You obviously have never travelled to any island in stormy weather. Or even when there is an Atlantic swell.

Certainly haven't.

What do they contribute that warrents an air service.

seamus · 02-09-2015 10:03PM

johnny osbourne wrote: »

ah come on you'd want to be mad going up in a helicopter, what if the engine failed out over galway bay, at least with the plane you could glide on a bit and land, i suppose you'll be saying next engines don't fail

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

Dan_Solo · 02-09-2015 10:05PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I disagree, it is important islands such as the Arans are populated and helicopters are not suitable to the needs of the islanders.

There's a few uninhabited islands around Ireland. Can I have free transport to and from the mainland if I want to live on one?

Dan_Solo · 02-09-2015 10:07PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

If you want to be mercenary, tourism. The Great Blasket died due to a case of an islander with meningitis in who died before a doctor could get to him.

I guarantee you that if the money now going into subsidizing Aran Island flights was spent on ambulances at Galway University Hospital we'd have far, far, more lives saved.

Sh1tbag OToole · 02-09-2015 10:09PM

seamus wrote: »

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

Don't ever get into a helicopter that isn't leaking hydraulic fluid 'cause that means it's all gone

2rkehij30qtza5 · 02-09-2015 10:17PM

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

kneemos · 02-09-2015 10:22PM

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

So why should we care?

Dan_Solo · 02-09-2015 10:22PM

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

There are a number of reasons that the people of the islands (and Indreabhán) are unhappy..

1. The planes fly in and out of Indreabhán and if the weather is bad or if there's heavy fog and the planes cannot fly, then 10 minutes later you can get to the ferry in Rosaveel and get a ferry (which can still travel in fairly inclement weather when planes can't fly).

2. The helicopters will travel from Carnmore, which is about 30 mins away (more at peak traffic) the east side of Galway City. If you go to get a helicopter and then hear they can't fly due to bad weather, you have to then travel all the way to Rosaveel, which will be miles away, in order to get a ferry. Major inconvenience.

3. Choppers cannot travel in certain weather conditions that planes can..I.e. Planes are more resilient in a broader range of weather conditions

4. There is a lot of employment on the main land in Indreabhán due to the airport and Aer Árainn also employ a lot of people on the islands. These people will likely lose their jobs as their jobs will be redundant.

So now you might see why people are upset.

THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

2rkehij30qtza5 · 02-09-2015 10:27PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

THEY CHOOSE LIVE ON AN ISLAND.
If they want to travel to Galway then, guess what, it's going to be inconvenient. What do you want, a bridge.
And the jobs thing is an utter hoax. It's all government hand outs propping it up. May as well give them half the money to stay at home, still an overall saving.

We all CHOOSE to live where we do for goodness sake! People have lived on the islands for millennia...what are you going to do?..evict all islanders?!

Dan_Solo · 02-09-2015 10:29PM

Marina Big Sergeant wrote: »

We all CHOOSE to live where we do for goodness sake! People have lived on the islands for millennia...what are you going to do?..evict all islanders?!

Yes, but I'm not asking for basically free transport whenever I like, am I?
Who said evict them? You just made that up. They can stay where they like, there's just no reason to expect everyone else to pay for them to.

johnny osbourne · 02-09-2015 10:35PM

seamus wrote: »

They seem happy enough with the aul boats when they're many times more dangerous.

Helicopters are marginally safer than light aircraft because you're actually less likely to die in a crash. The light aircraft might glide a bit to land, but that's no use to you when you hit the land at 100km/h.

The fears of the islanders in relation to helicopters are unfounded. The vast majority of helicopter crashes are during military exercises, or small private helis doing something dumb, like that guy who hit the pub recently.

In reality here is the tradeoff; helicopters will be faster door-to-door, but you will be able to carry less passengers (5 instead of 9) and the service will be slightly reduced because it will be grounded more often.

have you ever been in a helicopter that dropped through an air-pocket (vacuum) out over galway bay?

johnny osbourne · 02-09-2015 10:36PM

kneemos wrote: »

Can they not walk over with their giant feet and horned heads?

fyi its horned feet and giant heads

Arsemageddon · 02-09-2015 10:37PM

The airplane flies from Inverin in Connemara, the proposed helicopter service will fly from the old Galway airport at Carnmore which is located to the east of Galway city about 30 miles and from Inverin. If the weather is too bad for the plane to fly they can still get the boat from Rossaveal which is just up the road from Inverin.

Most of the islanders keep a car at Inverin or Rossaveal so they can go about their business when they come to the mainland. They won't be able to keep a car at Carnmore.

Their complaints are perfectly valid - the decision to fly from Carnmore seems to be more about tourists than the people who live or work on the islands.

Aran island people

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