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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    Pretty much getting opertunity to breake your 5k time, isn't
    Faith a wonderful thing. Maybe FBOT will pace you.

    Only if he is on a Really slow recovery run could I keep up !!! Hope run went well this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    Woke with pounding headache. If take painkillers now will they affect run tonight? If stupid question pls don't blast me. Have had enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Woke with pounding headache. If take painkillers now will they affect run tonight? If stupid question pls don't blast me. Have had enough.

    No they won't affect tonight's run at all. They wear off in 4-6 hours most of them, you could even take them twice if you need to. Of course if you're feeling bad in the evening skip the run ...

    Maybe drink a few glasses of water too in case that's behind the headache.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭neilthefunkeone


    So not a great run last night.. got to 6 miles and could feel my hamstring begin to tighten so immediately called a to that one.. The LSR thursday is out the window now.. maybe just a short one..

    So that will be 3 Weeks LSR's missed.. When is the time to decide if i plow ahead? This is wrecking my head!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭ultraman1


    Woke with pounding headache. If take painkillers now will they affect run tonight? If stupid question pls don't blast me. Have had enough.
    Not a stupid question....some here take painkillers during runs...some may give u stomach problems though..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    4 miles pace run this morning, not sure why let this one get
    Into my head. Thanks FBOT for just run advice & Dubgal run
    By feel advice.

    So rose at 6am after late to bed & crappy night sleep, few stretches
    and hot water bottle to calfs.

    Out the door just before 6.30, half mile w/u with out watch, then hit
    Start, didn't kill my self so comfortable enough run, about mile & half
    Steady drag through out run.

    Last qtr mile getting back into estate usually this is cooldown mode
    So had to fight to keep pace, could have been fatigue, but I think it
    Is more habit, as wasn't breathing to heavy & was able to chat comfortably
    With neighbour who was leaving as I was finishing.

    Avg pace 7.14 time 28.58

    Splits
    7.07
    7.09
    7.11
    7.32


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Woke with pounding headache. If take painkillers now will they affect run tonight? If stupid question pls don't blast me. Have had enough.

    It's a stupid question. :)

    No reason not to run with a headache. I've taken headache tablets just before I go out for a run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse


    I ran with a headache on Monday and it was gone when I finished!

    I wouldn't see any reason not to take painkillers now if you're running tonight. It's not like you're popping them during your run to get through it or anything and it's not a constant thing so no reason it would have any bearing on your training.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭ultraman1


    It's a stupid question. :)

    No reason not to run with a headache. I've taken headache tablets just before I go out for a run.

    Iv ran with racoon and had to take a headache tablet after:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    So not a great run last night.. got to 6 miles and could feel my hamstring begin to tighten so immediately called a to that one.. The LSR thursday is out the window now.. maybe just a short one..

    So that will be 3 Weeks LSR's missed.. When is the time to decide if i plow ahead? This is wrecking my head!!

    Sorry to hear that Neil. Injuries can be hugely frustrating especially when training for something like a marathon and you only have so many weeks left to train. Some of the experienced people around here should be able to give some advise on how many LSR's can be missed. I'd be pretty interested in the answer as well as I've already missed 2 due to injury.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    ultraman1 wrote: »
    Iv ran with racoon and had to take a headache tablet after:)

    You are a headache


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Had my visit with the physio last night with my dodgy foot and got the all clear.

    I've got quite flat feet that he thinks may be contributing to my problems and he has ordered orthotics for me, hopefully to be delivered today or tomorrow, so I just have to do some easy runs on them to get used to the feel of them.
    We also went through some stretching exercises that will also help prevent reoccurrence.

    A week lost, but fingers crossed I can get back on track now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    Clearlier wrote: »
    There's also an emerging theory that taking anti-inflammatories negates the effects of training i.e. it's the presence of inflammation that leads to body adapting so if you take it away the body doesn't adapt and the training is of no benefit.

    Reason I was asking!

    Headache much better, took some Anadin and lots of water! Phew!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Had my visit with the physio last night with my dodgy foot and got the all clear.

    I've got quite flat feet that he thinks may be contributing to my problems and he has ordered orthotics for me, hopefully to be delivered today or tomorrow, so I just have to do some easy runs on them to get used to the feel of them.
    We also went through some stretching exercises that will also help prevent reoccurrence.

    A week lost, but fingers crossed I can get back on track now.

    Be careful with those. I got a pair at the start of all this. I had a week of blisters getting used to them. Wear them in all shoes too, bit of a pain swapping all the time, but I've been relatively injury free since getting them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭BIRDCAGE1


    chrislad wrote: »
    Be careful with those. I got a pair at the start of all this. I had a week of blisters getting used to them. Wear them in all shoes too, bit of a pain swapping all the time, but I've been relatively injury free since getting them.

    I've been wearing orthotics, prescribed by a physio, since last year and have had no problems with them at all. I just keep them in my running shoes and don't move them around, although I now I probably should.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    BIRDCAGE1 wrote: »
    I've been wearing orthotics, prescribed by a physio, since last year and have had no problems with them at all. I just keep them in my running shoes and don't move them around, although I now I probably should.

    I didn't swap initially and my shin pain came back. I've had no sign of it since I started swapping the insoles, thankfully. I'm so protective of them now - compression sleeves and all!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    chrislad wrote: »
    Be careful with those. I got a pair at the start of all this. I had a week of blisters getting used to them. Wear them in all shoes too, bit of a pain swapping all the time, but I've been relatively injury free since getting them.

    I also got a pair as well a few years ago. My knees were a bit sore for the first couple of day while getting used to the them. You're feet are now in a different posture that takes a bit of time for the knees to get used to. It wasn't anything major for me but you might feel a bit of pain and think its something more serious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Todays 13 km done (or 8 miles for you oldies:D). I took the first four km handy enough to get warmed up and then spent the next 8k at PMP or slightly better. I was delighted to be able to hold the effort relatively comfortably, then I slowed it back down for the last km to cool down. It will be a very gentle 4 miles tomorrow, then i need to decide whether to do my LSR on Friday or Sunday as I'm working Saturday. And that will be another week passed by :eek::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    I was chatting with a fellow runner at work this morning about changing my routine and starting my evening run straight from work.

    He thinks that because I'm losing out on my 1 mile walk home, I should now stretch before my run i.e running after sitting at my desk all day isn't as good as running after having walked home. Sure I move around at work, walk up and down stairs etc but it's not the same. (Normally I'd walk home (1m), get into my gear then go straight back out for my warm up mile and then run).

    He says he injured himself this way previously, running after sitting at work all day.

    I know there's a difference of opinion on whether or not it's good to stretch on cold muscles. What do you guys think? I would have a 1 mile warm up walk during my run anyway (normally in addition to my 1 mile walk home).

    tl;dr changing running routine tonight, losing a 1 mile walk; to stretch or not to stretch??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭BIRDCAGE1


    He thinks that because I'm losing out on my 1 mile walk home, I should now stretch before my run i.e running after sitting at my desk all day isn't as good as running after having walked home.

    I know there's a difference of opinion on whether or not it's good to stretch on cold muscles. What do you guys think? I would have a 1 mile warm up walk during my run anyway (normally in addition to my 1 mile walk home).

    I used to do a lot of stretching before runs, but after a visit to a physio a few months he explained that it was a really bad idea. Instead he gave me a list of other warm up excerises to do squats, lunges, leg swings, running on the spot, high knees, bum kicks etc. It normally takes me a good 10 - 15 minutes. I then walk a half mile before I start my run. I do all my stretches when I finish my run


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Don't stretch cold muscles, if he injured himself by 'not stretching' then I suspect he was racing out of work. There is no need to stretch at the start of a run.
    Stretch at the end or after you shower, don't stretch before a run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    I don't stretch before a run either. There are stretches you can do pre-running but because I don't do them, I wouldn't like to recommend them. My approach is - whatever the run - to start and finish with baby steps/shuffle-jog running. I went for a run with my brother yesterday. He joked that he was worried he wouldn't be able to keep pace with me (he had a hangover) but laughed his head off as he strode along beside me as I shuffled gradually into my jog pace :)
    Ososlo does AIS stretching and a lunge matrix routine before running. Perhaps she would like to jump in here?
    Fwiw, I think at this stage you could start to keep the walking part of your warm up separate; ex, walk briskly for 400-800m, and then start the run proper (still with baby steps). That, for me would adequately replace stretching pre-run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    JacEim wrote: »
    Please don't send me over to the dark side on the tri boards... Who knows what they'll say :D:D
    Did they not say??? You've a lifetime ban over there now :p:D
    So not a great run last night.. got to 6 miles and could feel my hamstring begin to tighten so immediately called a to that one.. The LSR thursday is out the window now.. maybe just a short one..

    So that will be 3 Weeks LSR's missed.. When is the time to decide if i plow ahead? This is wrecking my head!!
    Sorry to hear this Neil. Were you tense by any chance? Anticipating any sort of ache etc can cause you to tense up, or do you think it was something else?
    Woke with pounding headache. If take painkillers now will they affect run tonight? If stupid question pls don't blast me. Have had enough.
    No such thing a stupid question here :) I should have clarified...if anyone of you use painkillers to mask an injury or niggle, then there will be trouble :mad: As UM says, they may give you some stomach discomfort. Paula Radcliffe reckons her course of anti-inflammatories prior to the Olympics in Athens was one of the factors which caused her to drop out of the marathon.... :(
    ultraman1 wrote: »
    Not a stupid question....some here take painkillers during runs...some may give u stomach problems though..
    Phoebas wrote: »
    Had my visit with the physio last night with my dodgy foot and got the all clear.

    I've got quite flat feet that he thinks may be contributing to my problems and he has ordered orthotics for me, hopefully to be delivered today or tomorrow, so I just have to do some easy runs on them to get used to the feel of them.
    We also went through some stretching exercises that will also help prevent reoccurrence.

    A week lost, but fingers crossed I can get back on track now.
    Best of luck and take it easy at first, firstly reminding your legs how to run and, secondly, allowing your foot to adjust to the new space in your shoe :)


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    I went for a run with my brother yesterday. He joked that he was worried he wouldn't be able to keep pace with me (he had a hangover) but laughed his head off as he strode along beside me as I shuffled gradually into my jog pace :)

    I had this recently, brought someone who doesn't really run much out on an 8 mile tempo run with me. We parked the car and started to run, as I shuffled at the beginning they came to a walk beside me. I told them "walk if you want" they decided to run with me but after 3 miles they were struggling, half a mile more and I looked back and they were walking, so I jogged back, handed them the key and told them I'd see them back at the car and on they walked. I took a detour to add 2 miles more on and got back to the car at the same time as them. Oh how I laughed.

    :smug:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    I was chatting with a fellow runner at work this morning about changing my routine and starting my evening run straight from work.

    He thinks that because I'm losing out on my 1 mile walk home, I should now stretch before my run i.e running after sitting at my desk all day isn't as good as running after having walked home. Sure I move around at work, walk up and down stairs etc but it's not the same. (Normally I'd walk home (1m), get into my gear then go straight back out for my warm up mile and then run).

    He says he injured himself this way previously, running after sitting at work all day.

    I know there's a difference of opinion on whether or not it's good to stretch on cold muscles. What do you guys think? I would have a 1 mile warm up walk during my run anyway (normally in addition to my 1 mile walk home).

    tl;dr changing running routine tonight, losing a 1 mile walk; to stretch or not to stretch??
    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    I don't stretch before a run either. There are stretches you can do pre-running but because I don't do them, I wouldn't like to recommend them. My approach is - whatever the run - to start and finish with baby steps/shuffle-jog running. I went for a run with my brother yesterday. He joked that he was worried he wouldn't be able to keep pace with me (he had a hangover) but laughed his head off as he strode along beside me as I shuffled gradually into my jog pace :)
    Ososlo does AIS stretching and a lunge matrix routine before running. Perhaps she would like to jump in here?
    Fwiw, I think at this stage you could start to keep the walking part of your warm up separate; ex, walk briskly for 400-800m, and then start the run proper (still with baby steps). That, for me would adequately replace stretching pre-run.

    just to say, I often run at lunchtime and have a desk job, when I run from home I have time to do AIS & lunge matrix that I got from ososlo along with drills and dynamic stretches, but from work I don't have that opportunity so I make sure to walk around as much as possible in the 30 mins before the run, up and down the stairs and do some dynamic stretches (some quick hip circles and leg swings will do) and take the first mile slowly until you ease into the run. Hope that helps :)


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have lactate testing tonight. YUCK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    My run tonight started out hard, I really struggled for the first 20 minutes, I had to stop at one point to stretch my calves. My plan said 50-60 minutes easy so I decided to just get to 25 minutes and turn around and go home. Decided I wouldn't be able for my hill sprints so just get the miles in and that be that.

    Honest to god I saw this, a sign, literally :pac:

    I stopped to take the pic and had a little smile and for some reason it all got easy from that point on.

    1 hr 19 minutes + 6 hill sprints done :)
    Hmmm... I know my maths is crap but something's not adding up here? :confused: :pac:
    On a serious note, have you tried the hill over Stonebridge for your sprints? Perfect distance and gradient :) let me know when you're down for them again and I'll join you for them if I can.
    Thanks for the feedback Dubgal, know I need to slow up, will make a big effort not to go quicker than 9:30 tomorrow, actually find 8:24 pace a little frustrating, but obviously it's the way to go.
    Had planned to do a long run of 16 miles Friday, 18 the week after, 20 on Sept 18/19 and two weeks later to do the longest run of 22 miles. Do you think I should be doing supplementary long runs?
    Hi SD, as long as you have close to a three week taper, that's fine. What will you do in between the 20 and 22 miler, 18? No harm doing a midweek mlr of up to 12 miles but don't jump into that. What is your current midweek longest run?
    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    4 miles pace run this morning, not sure why let this one get
    Into my head. Thanks FBOT for just run advice & Dubgal run
    By feel advice.

    Avg pace 7.14 time 28.58

    Splits
    7.07
    7.09
    7.11
    7.32
    Tasty. Well done!
    I had this recently, brought someone who doesn't really run much out on an 8 mile tempo run with me. We parked the car and started to run, as I shuffled at the beginning they came to a walk beside me. I told them "walk if you want" they decided to run with me but after 3 miles they were struggling, half a mile more and I looked back and they were walking, so I jogged back, handed them the key and told them I'd see them back at the car and on they walked. I took a detour to add 2 miles more on and got back to the car at the same time as them. Oh how I laughed.

    :smug:
    Heehee love it :)


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Hmmm... I know my maths is crap but something's not adding up here? :confused: :pac:

    Hmmm indeed. Well. I ran for 60 minutes to my hill, did my sprints (I do jog back recovery as opposed to standing still for a couple of minutes), and then jogged home from there.
    On a serious note, have you tried the hill over Stonebridge for your sprints? Perfect distance and gradient :) let me know when you're down for them again and I'll join you for them if I can.

    Is that the road up past rathmichael school? I never even thought of there :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    I don't stretch before a run either. There are stretches you can do pre-running but because I don't do them, I wouldn't like to recommend them. My approach is - whatever the run - to start and finish with baby steps/shuffle-jog running. I went for a run with my brother yesterday. He joked that he was worried he wouldn't be able to keep pace with me (he had a hangover) but laughed his head off as he strode along beside me as I shuffled gradually into my jog pace :)
    Ososlo does AIS stretching and a lunge matrix routine before running. Perhaps she would like to jump in here?
    Fwiw, I think at this stage you could start to keep the walking part of your warm up separate; ex, walk briskly for 400-800m, and then start the run proper (still with baby steps). That, for me would adequately replace stretching pre-run.

    IIRC, Ososlo also does the myrtl routine a couple of times a week. I do it + a lunge matrix before every run - I think that the myrtl routine is particularly useful if you're sitting down for most of the day. If my hips are particularly stuck I may also do the Thomas test but it's better to do that afterwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72




    Is that the road up past rathmichael school? I never even thought of there :rolleyes:

    Yeah :)


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