Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

total former · 01-09-2015 06:10PM

JF100 wrote: »

An interesting point... if somewhat red-herring-ish.
Your suggestion does however question the actual value of the fixture to the Irl RWC squad...
Especially if half the players playing aren't going to be at the RWC... (initially at least).

Half? Who said that?

English Team is full strength anyway

England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Jonny May, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs; 1 Joe Marler, 2 Tom Youngs, 3 Dan Cole, 4 Courtney Lawes, 5 Geoff Parling, 6 Tom Wood, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 8 Ben Morgan

Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Kieran Brookes, 19 Joe Launchbury, 20 Billy Vunipola, 21 Richard Wigglesworth, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Sam Burgess.

wittycynic · 01-09-2015 06:14PM

total former wrote: »

Half? Who said that?

English Team is full strength anyway

England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Anthony Watson, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Jonny May, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs; 1 Joe Marler, 2 Tom Youngs, 3 Dan Cole, 4 Courtney Lawes, 5 Geoff Parling, 6 Tom Wood, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 8 Billy Vunipola.

Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Kieran Brookes, 19 Joe Launchbury, 20 Billy Vunipola, 21 Richard Wigglesworth, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Sam Burgess.

That Billy Vunipola is some player. Not content with naming him once, Lancaster's playing him at 8 and 20.

Tox56 · 01-09-2015 06:18PM

wittycynic wrote: »

That Billy Vunipola is some player. Not content with naming him once, Lancaster's playing him at 8 and 20.

It's so he can come on and replace himself at 60 minutes and still be fresh. I think that's how it works

smiley_face · 01-09-2015 06:22PM

wittycynic wrote: »

That Billy Vunipola is some player. Not content with naming him once, Lancaster's playing him at 8 and 20.

England (v Ireland)

15. Mike Brown
14. Anthony Watson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Brad Barritt
11. Jonny May
10. George Ford
9. Ben Youngs

1. Joe Marler
2. Tom Youngs
3. Dan Cole
4. Courtney Lawes
5. Geoff Parling
6, Tom Wood
7. Chris Robshaw (capt)
8. Ben Morgan

Replacements
16. Jamie George
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Kieran Brookes
19. Joe Launchbury
20. Billy Vunipola
21. Richard Wigglesworth
22. Owen Farrell
23. Sam Burgess

connachta · 01-09-2015 06:23PM

Schmidt declared

Therefore we wanted to go with a specialist 12/13 and Darren’s performances, both at training and in the match at the Millennium Stadium, meant he was a pretty deserving player to be involved.

The "mickey mouse" friendly did count, then, whatever some said:D

Quint2010 · 01-09-2015 06:26PM

JF100 wrote: »

Competition: who can read Joe's mind now?

Name all 15 starters + 8 subs v Eng?

[OR: does it even really matter..?]

Kearney, Bowe, Payne, Henshaw, Kearney, Sexton, Murray, Furlong, Best, Ross, Toner, POC, POM, SOB, Heaslip

Healy, Cronin, White, Ryan, Henry, Madigan, Cave, Zebo.

The reason I have picked Furlong at LH is that I would like him to get some game time there before the tournament starts. Same reason for Madigan.

total former · 01-09-2015 06:34PM

connachta wrote: »

Schmidt declared
The "mickey mouse" friendly did count, then, whatever some said:D

Quite literally nobody said it didn't count.

connachta · 01-09-2015 06:41PM

total former wrote: »

Quite literally nobody said it didn't count.

Oh do you want some direct quotes? Will take a while, but i can easily find them

bilston · 01-09-2015 06:43PM

connachta wrote: »

I'd go with

1) McGrath
2) Best
3) Furlong
4) Ryan
5) Toner
6) O'Brien
7) Henry
8) Murphy
9) Redd
10) Mad
11) Zebo
12) Henshaw
13) Earls
14) Fitz
15) Payne

16) Cronin
17) Healy
18) White
19) Handerson
20) POM
21) Murray
22) Jackson
23) Cave

Payne needs to start at 13, other than that it's a fair selection.

connachta · 01-09-2015 06:44PM

bilston wrote: »

Payne needs to start at 13, other than that it's a fair selection.

I'd like him to have a go as 15, to provide cover for RK, in addition to Zebo

bilston · 01-09-2015 06:46PM

connachta wrote: »

Schmidt declared
The "mickey mouse" friendly did count, then, whatever some said:D

Training has clearly counted a lot too as we have seen with Trimble missing out and Dave Kearney seemingly jumping up the queue.

bilston · 01-09-2015 06:47PM

connachta wrote: »

I'd like him to have a go as 15, to provide cover for RK, in addition to Zebo

I didn't actually notice he was at 15 in your selection!

I still think it's more important that Henshaw and Payne get some time in the middle together.

smiley_face · 01-09-2015 06:48PM

bilston wrote: »

Training has clearly counted a lot too as we have seen with Trimble missing out and Dave Kearney seemingly jumping up the queue.

That's not so clear cut as Trimble missed so much time through injury and only got 34 minutes in the warm-ups.

connachta · 01-09-2015 06:51PM

bilston wrote: »

I didn't actually notice he was at 15 in your selection!

I still think it's more important that Henshaw and Payne get some time in the middle together.

You might be right, as it's a recent pairing...:)

Taco Corp · 01-09-2015 06:52PM

connachta wrote: »

Oh do you want some direct quotes? Will take a while, but i can easily find them

I'd like to see the quotes, thanks

The Rape of Lucretia · 01-09-2015 06:53PM

connachta wrote: »

But there's none ATM, so Boss isn't in the plane.
And don't forget provincial games will take place. 4 or 5 good ones for Marms and the reverse for Bossy, and Schmidt's opinion could change. As it changed about bringing only two scrummies

Yeh.
Bummer finding out you arent even 4th in line, but 5th, and one of those ahead of you is a standoff/centre/fullback jack of all trades.

connachta · 01-09-2015 06:54PM

Taco Corp wrote: »

I'd like to see the quotes, thanks

All right, but no name, my point wasn't a personal strike

Only those that need a run to prove/improve match fitness should get a run... Watching someone play in a relatively mickey-mouse game against similarly unprepared opposition won't carry a lot of weight

smiley_face · 01-09-2015 07:03PM

bilston wrote: »

I didn't actually notice he was at 15 in your selection!

I still think it's more important that Henshaw and Payne get some time in the middle together.

Having seen that England line-up now, we'll need to put out the strongest team we can.
I think Healy could bench, but not sure if POM, Fitz or Earls are available, so assuming not. Would say:
McGrath, Best, Ross
Toner, POC
Murphy, SOB, Heaslip
Murray, Sexton
Henshaw, Payne
Zebo, Bowe
R Kearney

Subs:
Strauss, Healy, White, Henderson, Henry, Reddan, Madigan, D Kearney.

Buer · 01-09-2015 07:05PM

I'd expect us to put out a pretty strong side for Saturday.

Something along the lines of:

RK
Bowe
Payne
Henshaw
DK/Zebo
Sexton
Murray
Heaslip
Henry
SOB
POC
Toner
Ross
Best
McGrath/Healy

Could potentially see the likes of Ryan or Reddan start too.

connachta · 01-09-2015 07:09PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Having seen that England line-up now, we'll need to put out the strongest team we can.

We won't be there to win at all, but to test potentially useful combination/fitness reactions

That's why I put Ryan, SOB at 6, Furlong to start, Murphy n°8, Madigan outhalf, Earls at 13 and Payne at 15 and Healy on the bench. The rest is solid enough not to conceed 50 pts.

bilston · 01-09-2015 07:11PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Having seen that England line-up now, we'll need to put out the strongest team we can.
I think Healy could bench, but not sure if POM, Fitz or Earls are available, so assuming not. Would say:
McGrath, Best, Ross
Toner, POC
Murphy, SOB, Heaslip
Murray, Sexton
Henshaw, Payne
Zebo, Bowe
R Kearney

Subs:
Strauss, Healy, White, Henderson, Henry, Reddan, Madigan, D Kearney.

What's wrong with POM?

If he is out stick Hendy to 6.

Wang King · 01-09-2015 07:28PM

total former wrote: »

I'd say Marmion would be absolutely mortified if he saw these posts being made on his behalf.

Imagine how poor Felix would feel?!?....

He'd extend that restraining order to the internet!

Stheno · 01-09-2015 07:29PM

Wang King wrote: »

Imagine how poor Felix would feel?!?....

He'd extend that restraining order to the internet!

Restraining order?

sydthebeat · 01-09-2015 07:29PM

connachta wrote: »

All right, but no name, my point wasn't a personal strike

you DO realise that quote was referring to the pre season inter pros... yes?

The Pheasant2 · 01-09-2015 07:38PM

England have shown weakness at the breakdown and given it's an area of relative strength for us I reckon we should go after them there.

McGrath
Best
Ross
Ryan
POC
SOB
Henry
Heaslip

Murray
Sexton
DK
Henshaw
Payne
Bowe
Kearney

Strauss
Healy
White
Henderson
Murphy
Reddan
Madigan
Zebo

connachta · 01-09-2015 07:44PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

you DO realise that quote was referring to the pre season inter pros... yes?

Sorry, it was on the international topic. Never mind though. There are other ones

smiley_face · 01-09-2015 10:12PM

connachta wrote: »

Sorry, it was on the international topic. Never mind though. There are other ones

Quote:
Really though ? Does it actually work like That one player in a mix and gatherem team, against a hodge podge weak experimental team, could be compared to another player in a different team, against different equally hodge podge opposition, with any significant bearing on the final squad selection seems bizarre.
If places really are up for grabs and are genuinely influenced by performance in these games, it strikes me as very amateur hour management. And I dont believe we have that.

The squad is selected in Joe's mind (yeh, yeh, I can see into his mind). These teams are about fitness, experience, combinations working together, and looking at back up options to backup options.

There is no Darcy v Cave contest going on here for example. Or any one player putting pressure on another.

aimee1 · 01-09-2015 10:18PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Quote:
Really though ? Does it actually work like That one player in a mix and gatherem team, against a hodge podge weak experimental team, could be compared to another player in a different team, against different equally hodge podge opposition, with any significant bearing on the final squad selection seems bizarre.
If places really are up for grabs and are genuinely influenced by performance in these games, it strikes me as very amateur hour management. And I dont believe we have that.

The squad is selected in Joe's mind (yeh, yeh, I can see into his mind). These teams are about fitness, experience, combinations working together, and looking at back up options to backup options.

There is no Darcy v Cave contest going on here for example. Or any one player putting pressure on another.

look at JS press conference in RTE player and he mentions the training several times. its pretty clear he used the matches for specific purposes but most of his decisions were based in the past record of the player and his training performance this summer.

ionadnapóca · 01-09-2015 10:21PM

smiley_face wrote: »

That's not so clear cut as Trimble missed so much time through injury and only got 34 minutes in the warm-ups.

Have to say i thought Trimble was nailed on for the squad and to start. To go from one of the players of the 6N in '14 to missing out on WC in just over a year must be tough to take. Feel sorry for him.... but at least he has been to 2 WC's already.
Right now id put the wingers (11) chances of starting v France at (odds on) DK 50% SZ 33% LK 25% KE 10%

.ak · 01-09-2015 10:29PM

Just watched the press con with joe. Have to say he looked very tired and a bit drawn out. You can tell this was literally the hardest squad selection of his career. The weight of the World Cup is becoming clear now, and the stuff he says about selection and calls being emotional isn't just a sound bite.

But of course that's just another reason why he's such a good coach. He may be a pedant and analytic in his approach but he's definitely a good man manager too and has a genuine connection with his players. That could mean the difference between staying in your feet that extra second and winning that extra inch.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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