IFA Protest Dublin 31st Aug 2015

AP2014 · 31-08-2015 10:31PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Damien o reilly writes about keyboard cowards, ie anonymous posters that belittle people that have no way of defending themselves.... and I despise them too.
No ones perfect in this world only a bully takes advantage of weaknesses.
I put the o in Dublin to highlight to mf that he too could get it wrong,, because that's the way he spelt it...yes even he wasn't perfect.
You won't get too many spelling mistakes in my posts, will I correct your spelling mistakes for you:rolleyes:

Nothing keyboard warrior about it rangler, I am just telling you what the public thinks of these farmers and what the vast majority of farmers think of them as well. Get your head out of the sand or your arse wherever it is.

You despise a lot, but to be honest a lot of people are beginning to despise the IFA and their carry on, you must be getting the hint from the general tone of posts towards them now or are you blind to this as well.

Feel free to correct spelling mistakes but I would feel better if you could speak better publicly or members of your organisation could represent farmers better publicly. Fair play to ya for being able to spell though, I am sorry I am not paying an IFA membership fee towards your days out :rolleyes:

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 10:38PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Nothing keyboard warrior about it rangler, I am just telling you what the public thinks of these farmers and what the vast majority of farmers think of them as well. Get your head out of the sand or your arse wherever it is.

You despise a lot, but to be honest a lot of people are beginning to despise the IFA and their carry on, you must be getting the hint from the general tone of posts towards them now or are you blind to this as well.

Feel free to correct spelling mistakes but I would feel better if you could speak better publicly or members of your organisation could represent farmers better publicly. Fair play to ya for being able to spell though, I am sorry I am not paying an IFA membership fee towards your days out :rolleyes:

coward I said, you're no warrior,

AP2014 · 31-08-2015 10:41PM

rangler1 wrote: »

coward I said, you're no warrior,

I certainly ain't :rolleyes: Go to bed you're up to late or are ya having a few pints on expenses after a hard day protesting!

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 10:45PM

AP2014 wrote: »

I certainly ain't :rolleyes: Go to bed you're up to late or are ya having a few pints on expenses after a hard day protesting!

Figured out how to use the spell check did you,

AP2014 · 31-08-2015 10:48PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Figured out how to use the spell check did you,

You don't represent yourself or your organisation very well on here. You come across as a serious ass. I am not the first one to tell you this. Start listening to people!

Kovu · 31-08-2015 10:49PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Figured out how to use the spell check did you,

AP2014 wrote: »

You come across as a serious ass.

Stop it, both of you.
There's a PM function for crap like the above few posts.

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 10:54PM

AP2014 wrote: »

You don't represent yourself or your organisation very well on here. You come across as a serious ass. I am not the first one to tell you this. Start listening to people!

Anonymous insults again, you're just proving my point

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 11:09PM

feck...didn't see the warning

Kovu · 31-08-2015 11:11PM

rangler1 wrote: »

feck...didn't see the warning

Right.....benefit of the doubt. I'll return shortly....

Willfarman · 31-08-2015 11:12PM

I nearly left a scandalously cowardly defamatory comment too.. Got it deleted just in time.. There would of been serious fisticuffs. Unlucky there rangler

Willfarman · 31-08-2015 11:35PM

Ho

laoch na mona · 31-08-2015 11:35PM

mf240 wrote: »

Its getting to be an yearly outing at this stage.

a bit like the USI marches that the union top brass do every year to be seen to be doing something.

Willfarman · 31-08-2015 11:37PM

Ho ho tomorrow's independent. Twasnt boiiing point we are at lads wait for it.."

Drumroll ....

We're at " breaking point".

rangler1 · 31-08-2015 11:47PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Ho ho tomorrow's independent. Twasnt boiiing point we are at lads wait for it.."

Drumroll ....

We're at " breaking point".

never a dull moment, the beef finishers thought that's where they were last year.
You'd think it'd be prudent to wait till we're a couple years into a crisis before farmers' would start panicking
great lamb price at least atm

Farmer Pudsey · 01-09-2015 12:10AM

rangler1 wrote: »

never a dull moment, the beef finishers thought that's where they were last year.
You'd think it'd be prudent to wait till we're a couple years into a crisis before farmers' would start panicking
great lamb price at least atm

And we will be in exactly the same place Christmas 12 months. Larry will again fill feedlots in September 2016 so that he can use these cattle to drop the price from early December to late January. Loads will think it great because of strong store price driven by processors feedlots in September. By Late January they will be penalizing Bulls , cows, lower grading and heavy cattle. The will only pay QA bonus on what suits them

By March 2017 IFA will be calling for round table discussions. They will be beating there breasts and pounding the table in public. However they will be collecting money on all the extra cattle killed from the processors.

Same circle same merry go round it is just learning when to step off is the trick

frazzledhome · 01-09-2015 12:11AM

I just think that to organise a protest that has impact and is revelent to IFA members a lot more work has to go on in the weeks and months leading to the protest.

I quiet honestly didn't know what today's demo was about. Farm incomes, to be fair isn't that what they're all about.

Time and effort needs to go into educating the non farming communities what the situation is like in the ground. A turn out of 1000 doesn't cut it in my view.

To be fair to the guy on the news who gave the sound bite, I'm sure he felt he was doing the right thing by attending and not all of us are blessed with eloquence when a camera is thrust in our face.

On Rangler and the scrapes he gets into I think he deserves great credit for standing his ground and saying it like it is. It's a few more Ranglers the IFA needs.

Limestone Cowboy · 01-09-2015 12:46AM

They will have to ban any mention of the IFA on here yet!

keep going · 01-09-2015 06:55AM

For my money I think the days of protesting in the streets is over, the most successful protests were the ones that target processers or supermarkets.take a leaf outof the uk book as in run the stunts at a supermarket but use on line outlets to get message out there.the only vulnerability supermarkets have is the name over the door but the line that should be taken is that their screwing consumers as well not just farmers.

rangler1 · 01-09-2015 07:04AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

And we will be in exactly the same place Christmas 12 months. Larry will again fill feedlots in September 2016 so that he can use these cattle to drop the price from early December to late January. Loads will think it great because of strong store price driven by processors feedlots in September. By Late January they will be penalizing Bulls , cows, lower grading and heavy cattle. The will only pay QA bonus on what suits them

By March 2017 IFA will be calling for round table discussions. They will be beating there breasts and pounding the table in public. However they will be collecting money on all the extra cattle killed from the processors.

Same circle same merry go round it is just learning when to step off is the trick

That's kinda what I meant, we'll have to accept the volatility and hope that the average works out all right, there'll be no controlling the factories, what they do is probably good business, they can't let down customers so they can't be held to ransom for cattle. Most successful tycoons use the little people as stepping stones on the way up...metaphorically speaking

pedigree 6 · 01-09-2015 11:07AM

I don't know if this is the right thread but eddie downey was on newstalk talking about protest and why the protest. But before he was finished a comment came in that why cant slurry be done away with on farms and why can't it be treated like other chemical waste. FFs. Anyway eddie batted it off and said it couldn't be done away with and that it has valuable nutrients. It just shows the growing disconnect people in Ireland have now with farming. It won't be too bad till people like this start making up rules and regulations for farmers.:mad:

boggerman1 · 01-09-2015 11:19AM

Have no time for the ifa.gladly cancelled all monies going to them a long time ago.and cancelled the membership last yr.had a guy drive into the yard last week to try and get me back.he took great umbrage when I told him in no uncertain terms that u wouldn't ever join them again.when he asked me if I got any benefit from membership I told him fcuk all.the head honchos' love having days out in Dublin to get their pictures on the journal and the news.what were they even protesting about yesterday.I am a dairy farmer and I can do feck all about the gdt or the world supply of milk.all I can do is control my end as best I can and keep the chequebook locked up for the time being

rangler1 · 01-09-2015 11:27AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I don't know if this is the right thread but eddie downey was on newstalk talking about protest and why the protest. But before he was finished a comment came in that why cant slurry be done away with on farms and why can't it be treated like other chemical waste. FFs. Anyway eddie batted it off and said it couldn't be done away with and that it has valuable nutrients. It just shows the growing disconnect people in Ireland have now with farming. It won't be too bad till people like this start making up rules and regulations for farmers.:mad:

It's one thing I sympathise with the public on,I hate the smell of slurry,
Surely there's something to neutralise it, have a village near me that has intensive slurry on three sides of it and it really whiffs

Willfarman · 01-09-2015 11:32AM

There's personal liability insurance in the membership. A voucher for fbd. Not sure if that's worth the paper its wrote on?

As another poster said with regard to the livestock levies, these should be going to an independent monitoring body to ensure the grading machines, trimming and weighing scales
are consistent everywhere and are not being tweaked in the processors favour.

whelan2 · 01-09-2015 11:33AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I don't know if this is the right thread but eddie downey was on newstalk talking about protest and why the protest. But before he was finished a comment came in that why cant slurry be done away with on farms and why can't it be treated like other chemical waste. FFs. Anyway eddie batted it off and said it couldn't be done away with and that it has valuable nutrients. It just shows the growing disconnect people in Ireland have now with farming. It won't be too bad till people like this start making up rules and regulations for farmers.:mad:

is that not why the protests should be in the supermarkets, the ordinary joe soap wont bat an eyelid to a protest on the streets of Dublin, by going to the supermarkets and explaining the problem maybe people will understand. By having protests in Dublin you are only annoying people, as some one said here before give out free milk, meat or what ever and let the consumer know that the processors etc are screwing us

Willfarman · 01-09-2015 11:34AM

rangler1 wrote: »

It's one thing I sympathise with the public on,I hate the smell of slurry,
Surely there's something to neutralise it, have a village near me that has intensive slurry on three sides of it and it really whiffs

The weather you spread in has a big bearing on the smell. But Christ we have enough regulation and beuracracy as it is!

AP2014 · 01-09-2015 11:36AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Have no time for the ifa.gladly cancelled all monies going to them a long time ago.and cancelled the membership last yr.had a guy drive into the yard last week to try and get me back.he took great umbrage when I told him in no uncertain terms that u wouldn't ever join them again.when he asked me if I got any benefit from membership I told him fcuk all.the head honchos' love having days out in Dublin to get their pictures on the journal and the news.what were they even protesting about yesterday.I am a dairy farmer and I can do feck all about the gdt or the world supply of milk.all I can do is control my end as best I can and keep the chequebook locked up for the time being

I think some of the head honchos are more interested in a political future than the future of farming. For some of the guys that believe in the cause and are genuine they should really do some PR and media training. It would be half the battle for them.

Yesterday's protest was embarrassing stuff, big farmers on here not sure what it was about, 1000 people only turning up and it seem's to be a yearly event that's losing creditability and I think more making the general public recent farmers than anything else.

If they actually organised themselves, nailed the media and came across better to the public they would be giving themselves a decent start. That includes their representative on this forum.

Base price · 01-09-2015 11:36AM

rangler1 wrote: »

That's kinda what I meant, we'll have to accept the volatility and hope that the average works out all right, there'll be no controlling the factories, what they do is probably good business, they can't let down customers so they can't be held to ransom for cattle. Most successful tycoons use the little people as stepping stones on the way up...metaphorically speaking

Probably the truest statement that I have read on this forum.
We have quit finishing cattle. The fiasco that started Winter 2013 was the final nail in the coffin for us. People can talk about holding cattle to put pressure on factories but most are not in a position to hold out for any time with cattle going over, bills to be paid etc.
The one thing that I would love to see changing is the fact that the factories can fill doubles from their own feedlots to manipulate prices. However it is only a pipe dream as they will just change tack, pay for contract finishing and achieve the same goal.

Willfarman · 01-09-2015 11:39AM

whelan2 wrote: »

is that not why the protests should be in the supermarkets, the ordinary joe soap wont bat an eyelid to a protest on the streets of Dublin, by going to the supermarkets and explaining the problem maybe people will understand. By having protests in Dublin you are only annoying people, as some one said here before give out free milk, meat or what ever and let the consumer know that the processors etc are screwing us

Now don't get your monkey up rangler and go on the on the defence. This is a bloody good idea. Try and bring joe public along with us. It votes and their snug dail seat that politicians care about. Nothing else

pedigree 6 · 01-09-2015 11:40AM

I know but the urban public maybe even some in rural areas call this waste. This is natures fertiliser. If anyone wants to pay me to take it away from them I'll take any amount you have.:D

adam14 · 01-09-2015 11:56AM

IFA are rapidly going downhill. Young farmers don't support them. All they do is protect the larger older farmers and try to protect their SFP's based on the work they did 15 years ago! They need a reality check.

IFA Protest Dublin 31st Aug 2015

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