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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭BKWDR


    Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

    http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

    Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    BKWDR wrote: »
    Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

    http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

    Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand

    How would that exonerate Connolly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    How would that exonerate Connolly?

    Doesn't look like it's a red card from seeing that footage.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Dublin have used 26 players in 5 Championship game.Appearances+Subs for 2015 Championship Game

    Brogan, Bernard 5
    Cluxton, Stephen 5 (3 Clean Sheets. Conceded 3 Goals)
    Connolly, Diarmuid 5
    Cooper, Jonny 5
    Fenton, Brian 5
    Flynn, Paul 5
    Kilkenny, Ciaran 5
    McCaffrey, Jack 5
    McMahon, Philip 5
    Rock, Dean 5
    Macauley, Michael Darragh 3+2
    McManamon, Kevin 3+2
    Andrews, Paddy 2+3
    Small, John 2+3
    Brogan, Alan 0+5
    Fitzsimons, Michael 0+5
    O’Carroll, Rory 4
    O’Sullivan, Cian 4
    McCarthy, James 3+1
    Bastick, Denis 2+2
    Brady, Tomas 0+3
    Daly, Darren 1+1
    Lowndes, Eric 0+2
    Byrne, David (Olafs) 1
    Costello, Cormac 0+1
    O’Conghaile, Emmett 0+1


    Dublin have scored 15-91 and conceded 3-60 in 5 Championship games. Scorers 2015 Championship Games

    Brogan, Bernard 5-18
    Rock, Dean 2-19
    Connolly, Diarmuid 4-10
    Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-16
    Flynn, Paul 2-4
    Andrews, Paddy 0-6
    McManamon, Kevin 1-3
    Brogan, Alan 0-5
    McCaffrey, Jack 1-1
    McMahon, Philip 0-3
    Fenton, Brian 0-2
    Brady, Tomas 0-1
    Lowndes, Eric 0-1
    Macauley, Michael Darragh 0-1
    McCarthy, James 0-1


    Dublin have used 35 players in 9 League games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 League Games
    Cooper, Jonny 9
    McManamon, Kevin 9
    Rock, Dean 9
    McCaffrey, Jack 8+1
    Brady, Tomas 7+2
    Bastick, Denis 8
    Kilkenny, Ciaran 6+2
    McMahon, Philip 6+2
    O'Carroll, Rory 7
    Brogan, Bernard 5+2
    Small, John 5+2
    Costello, Cormac 3+4
    Fenton, Brian 3+4
    Cluxton, Stephen 6 (4 Clean Sheets. Conceded 3 Goals)
    Culligan, Eoin 6
    McCarthy, James 3+3
    O'Conghaile, Emmett 2+4
    Connolly, Diarmuid 5
    Flynn, Paul 4+1
    Daly, Darren 3+2
    O'Gara, Eoghan 3+2
    O'Sullivan, Cian 3+2
    Andrews, Paddy 1+4
    Fitzsimons, Michael 2+2
    Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 1+3
    Currie, Sean 3 (2 Clean Sheets. Conceded 1 Goal)
    Carthy, Shane 2+1
    Macauley, Michael Darragh 2+1
    Byrne, David (Olafs) 1+2
    Devereux, Nicky 1+2
    Lowndes, Eric 1+2
    Reddin, Ciaran 0+2
    Deegan, Michael 0+1
    McHugh, Conor 0+1
    Ryan, Philip 0+1

    Dublin have scored 8-131 and conceded 4-101 in 9 League games. Scorers 2015 League Games
    Rock, Dean 1-52
    Brogan, Bernard 2-8
    McCaffrey, Jack 1-7
    Brady, Tomas 0-8
    McManamon, Kevin 0-8
    Connolly, Diarmuid 1-5
    Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-7
    Fenton, Brian 1-3
    Flynn, Paul 0-5
    McMahon, Philip 0-5
    Costello, Cormac 1-2
    O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-4
    O'Gara, Eoghan 0-4
    Bastick, Denis 1-1
    Andrews, Paddy 0-3
    Byrne, Davy (Ballymun) 0-2
    Carthy, Shane 0-2
    Cooper, Jonny 0-2
    Deegan, Michael 0-1
    Macauley, Michael Darragh 0-1
    Ryan, Philip 0-1

    Dublin have used 34 players in 5 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2015 O'Byrne Cup
    Brady, Tomas 5
    Culligan, Eoin 5
    Devereux, Nicky 5
    O'Conghaile, Emmett 5
    Rock, Dean 5
    Small, John 5
    Daly, Darren 5
    Fitzsimons, Michael 4+1
    Bastick, Denis 4
    O'Gara, Eoghan 4
    Hannigan, Graham 3+1
    Ryan, Philip 2+2
    Carthy, Shane 1+3
    Scully, Niall 0+4
    Costello, Cormac 3
    McManamon, Kevin 3
    Molloy, Lorcan 3 (1 Clean Sheet)
    Collins, Niall 2+1
    O'Carroll, Rory 2+1
    Cooper, Jonny 1+2
    Dawson, Harry 1+2
    Lowndes, Stuart 0+3
    Currie, Sean 2 (1 Clean Sheet)
    McCaffrey, Jack 1+1
    Dunleavy, Craig 1+1
    Deegan, Michael 0+2
    Kavanagh, Ian 0+2
    Macauley, Michael Darragh 0+2
    O'Higgins, Paddy 0+2
    McCarrick, Alan 0+1
    McGowan, Ross 0+1
    McGuire, Conor 0+1
    McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0+1
    McMahon, Philip 0+1

    Dublin have scored 3-80 and conceded 3-43 in 5 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2015 O'Byrne Cup Games
    Rock, Dean 0-38
    O'Gara, Eoghan 2-7
    McManamon, Kevin 1-6
    Brady, Tomas 0-7
    O'Conghaile, Emmett 0-6
    Carthy, Shane 0-5
    Ryan, Philip 0-3
    Costello, Cormac 0-2
    Deegan, Michael 0-2
    Cooper, Jonny 0-1
    Culligan, Eoin 0-1
    McLoughlin, Diarmuid 0-1
    Scully, Niall 0-1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    JRant wrote: »
    Doesn't look like it's a red card from seeing that footage.

    Am I blind? Keegan blocks his run, Connolly pushes him, they push back and forth, they wrestle each other leading to the headlock and punch thrown. No punch = yellow each, Connolly couldn't keep his cool yet again though.

    If he gets away with it it will be because Keane was lucky enough to get a rescind, nothing else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Am I blind? Keegan blocks his run, Connolly pushes him, they push back and forth, they wrestle each other leading to the headlock and punch thrown. No punch = yellow each, Connolly couldn't keep his cool yet again though.

    If he gets away with it it will be because Keane was lucky enough to get a rescind, nothing else.

    I must be seeing a different video to you because I can't see a punch been thrown.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,804 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    JRant wrote: »
    I must be seeing a different video to you because I can't see a punch been thrown.

    He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    keane2097 wrote: »
    He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

    There is a clear dig. Think Coopers looks worse in slow motion tbh yellow was right.

    Anyways no action taken let's stop all this ****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    keane2097 wrote: »
    He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.

    I didn't get a good look at it while at the game and that clip doesn't show much other than some wrestling going on so I've no idea whether a dig was thrown or not.

    Anyway it matters not as he'll probably get a ban off the back of it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Keegan gets up and gets on with after that clip, which i admire tbh.
    But that sly dog COC is giving it socks to the linesman, that pisses me off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    keane2097 wrote:
    He definitely throws a punch towards the end of the altercation whether it's apparent in that clip or not.


    He does when they are on the ground Connelly is in a headlock at the time, it's not in that footage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Looks like an elbow/arm throw backwards into DC face by the mayo player as DC passed by...(6 second mark - if you slow it down)
    DC follows, reacts ....
    BKWDR wrote: »
    Could this exonerate Connolly I wonder?

    http://www.joe.ie/sport/video-fan-captures-the-clearest-footage-yet-of-diarmuid-connollys-bust-up-with-lee-keegan/510234

    Sidenote: people who video games instead of enjoying then.... Will never understand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Stoner wrote: »
    He does when they are on the ground Connelly is in a headlock at the time, it's not in that footage

    Just seen a clip in the match thread that's al lot clearer. Looks like a punch alright but he could probably argue he was trying to pull his arm free and Keagan pulled it back in.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Just watching replay again tonight, kicked wifey up to bed. Some points now that im sober (ish).

    How do we get BB in the game more next Saturday?
    Rock was non-existent again, he's too easily marked out of the game.
    Andrews needs to be targeted more often, his use of the ball good.
    Really hope Alan B starts in place of Connolly, instead of Kev Mc. Much prefer Kev Mc coming on early in the second half.
    Mayo were really negative weren't they actually, they had so many men behind the ball. Will they be like that again?
    Bastic has to start, as i said before MDM is gone to pot.
    Cluxton needs to get back to what he's good at, there's a chance that was Gavins tactics though and not necessarily Cluxton, was he under orders?
    I dont like COC - sly fcker. In the refs ear all game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    McStay was brutal on TSG too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Just watching replay again tonight, kicked wifey up to bed. Some points now that im sober (ish).

    How do we get BB in the game more next Saturday?
    Rock was non-existent again, he's too easily marked out of the game.
    Andrews needs to be targeted more often, his use of the ball good.
    Really hope Alan B starts in place of Connolly, instead of Kev Mc. Much prefer Kev Mc coming on early in the second half.

    Mayo were really negative weren't they actually, they had so many men behind the ball. Will they be like that again?
    Bastic has to start, as i said before MDM is gone to pot.
    Cluxton needs to get back to what he's good at, there's a chance that was Gavins tactics though and not necessarily Cluxton, was he under orders?
    I dont like COC - sly fcker. In the refs ear all game.

    Someone get a nice cup of tea and some chocolate hobnobs up to that poor, long suffering creature Mrs Slats.

    Mossy Quinn made some great points on Off the Ball tonight. Shockingly, just this once, David Brady and James Horan were not on tonight show, doing Party Political broadcasts on behalf of The Peoples Liberation Front of Belmullet. What a loss to democracy & humanity that was ! :rolleyes:

    Anyway, he wasn't a big fan of the short kickouts and even worse, the number of times Cluxton got the ball back again and had to do the restart all over again. Said the short kick outs were understandable given our problems in midfield, but that the knock on effect was that they gave Mayo time to clog up the half back line, which cut off the supply line to the full forwards. Once in a while, Flynn sent a long, diagonal ball in that they could make hay from, but it didn't happen often enough. I agreed 100%. Our attacking formation seemed very slow and ponderous at times. There was none of the speed and support runs of the shoulder, than have been such a strong characteristic of our attacking play up to this.

    I wouldn't start Kev Mc. He just runs into dead ends & traffic when he starts. For whatever reason, he is a game changer when he is a sub, in ways that he just isn't when he starts. Rock was worse than useless from play, but we need him for the frees. If had been left on, we would have won the game. Seeing Cluxton miss all three frees so badly was truly heart breaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Padkir


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    There is a clear dig. Think Coopers looks worse in slow motion tbh yellow was right.

    Anyways no action taken let's stop all this ****e

    I disagree. I said in one of the other threads that I think it was the worst action in the game. Absolute filth and he knew what he was doing, extended the leg in a stamping motion just as he was coming into contact with Diarmuid.

    Red for me and (not sure the exact rules for the different types of red card offence) should get a couple of games banned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Padkir wrote:
    I disagree. I said in one of the other threads that I think it was the worst action in the game. Absolute filth and he knew what he was doing.

    You and I agree,
    Dont think ROC would agree with us though since he only played three minutes.

    Anyway, I've been instructed to keep this thread about positive stuff from now on.

    I predict McMahon and AOS may fall in love over the next week, they have the awkward first shift out of the way now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Someone get a nice cup of tea and some chocolate hobnobs up to that poor, long suffering creature Mrs Slats.

    Mossy Quinn made some great points on Off the Ball tonight. Shockingly, just this once, David Brady and James Horan were not on tonight show, doing Party Political broadcasts on behalf of The Peoples Liberation Front of Belmullet. What a loss to democracy & humanity that was ! :rolleyes:

    Anyway, he wasn't a big fan of the short kickouts and even worse, the number of times Cluxton got the ball back again and had to do the restart all over again. Said it was understandable given our problems in midfield, but that the knock on effect was that they gave Mayo time to clog up the half back line, which cut off the supply line to the full forwards. Once in a while, Flynn sent a long, diagonal ball in that they could make hay from, but it didn't happen often enough. I agreed 100%. Our attacking formation seemed very slow and ponderous at times. There was none of the speed and support runs of the shoulder, than have been such a strong characteristic of our attacking play up to this.

    I wouldn't start Kev Mc. He just runs into dead ends & traffic when he starts. For whatever reason, he is a game changer when he is a sub in ways that he just isn't when he starts. Rock was worse than useless from play, but we need him for the frees. If had been left on, we would have won the game. Seeing Cluxton miss all three frees so badly was truly heart breaking.

    His pace causes trouble against tired defenders. Similar to Shane Long in soccer - looks class when he comes on sometimes and often gets a goal.But doesnt look the same player when he starts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    If Rock had stayed on then Kev wouldn't have scored 1-1. I think Rocks free taking can be a bit overrated, of the 3 cluxton missed I'd say only one was a fairly kickable, one was a bit more difficult and the other was so far out it shouldn't have even been a shot at goal. They were all tough angles in and around the 45, all would've been on Rocks wrong side. Rocks untested at the highest level kicking frees (waaaaay more pressure as we saw when he missed a very simple kick early on) but at the same time we have no one else to kick. Literally nobody.

    Kev has to start, yes he's our super sub but he's still an effective starter and an absolute nightmare to mark. I really wish Costello had kicked on, we need a forward.

    I agree with what Mossy said, the short slow kickouts definitely forced the half forwards up and left the guys inside very isolated. We either had to work all the way up or kick hail Marys in (some of which were beautiful passes by Flynner).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    His pace causes trouble against tired defenders. Similar to Shane Long in soccer - looks class when he comes on sometimes and often gets a goal.But doesnt look the same player when he starts.


    I don't fully agree. I think he reads the game well form the line. I think he spots gaps to run at that he can't see from the pitch.
    He's found gaps in Donegal, Kerry and Mayo as a sub. I'd never start him always our best impact sub a very important player.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Looks like there's a hell of a lot of scores to be settled.


    I hope the ref has the good sense to nip it in the bud from the get go this time around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Stoner wrote: »
    You and I agree,

    Anyway, I've been instructed to keep this thread about positive stuff from now on.

    I predict McMahon and AOS may fall in love over the next week, they have the awkward first shift out of the way now.

    Christ ! :eek:

    The places that your mind wanders to a 12.15 of a Tuesday morning, when you are still hungover from the weekend !

    Stoner wrote: »
    I don't fully agree. I think he reads the game well form the line. I think he spots gaps to run at that he can't see from the pitch.
    He's found gaps in Donegal, Kerry and Mayo as a sub. I'd never start him always our best impact sub a very important player.

    That's a really great point. Trying to solve the Kev Mc as a starter vs being a sub conundrum, is Dublin GAAs version of the Bermuda Triangle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    How many minutes does Alan have in his legs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭corny


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Anyway, he wasn't a big fan of the short kickouts and even worse, the number of times Cluxton got the ball back again and had to do the restart all over again. Said it was understandable given our problems in midfield,....

    Thing is we didn't have problems in midfield. For McCaffreys point Bastick won possession cleanly in midfield from a kickout. He also won a ball that lead to Flynns hollywood effort moments later. Fenton won a ball cleanly in the first half too. I think i remember Barry Moran winning one ball for Mayo late on when Bastick was gone. From memory that was it. The rest of the kickouts were short or individuals were picked out.

    Cluxton should be far more open to kicking it long on Saturday if Bastick and Fenton start. Even if we break it we've players who are excellent at winning the breaking ball. This fear of what Mayo could do to us in midfield was crippling for Cluxton in the last 10 minutes but i'm not sure it was entirely justified.

    Also, Hennelly had no problem booting it down middle when nothing was on. I'm a firm believer in mindset playing a huge part sport. They went in with an arrogance about them in midfield and we went in worrying about they can do to us. We got what we deserved eventually.

    Time to get back to basics and back ourselves to take the game away from them. Didn't work against Donegal last year but there was no need for the gross overreaction we're seeing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Corny, that make perfect sense, but hindsight is always 20/20. Given MDMA's damm near catastrophic drop in form & Fentons overall lack of experience, we headed into the game thinking that we had serious issues at midfield. Hence the short kickouts. Gavin was trying to do damage limitation by playing the percentages. Doing so meant that we retained possession during the restarts, but fortunately, it cost us else where.
    Slattsy wrote: »
    How many minutes does Alan have in his legs?

    Impossible to know really. He has had very little game time over all. I am surprised at how little he is being used, considering how well he did last year. I know that he took all of the league off, which may very well have resulted in him falling down in the pecking order, but you'd think he'd be up to the speed of things by now. Maybe during training games, Jim Gavin can see that he only has about 30 decent minutes in him, so he is choosing to use those minutes wisely. It's hard to know really, given how little Alan has played this year over all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭corny


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Corny, that make perfect sense, but hindsight is always 20/20. Given MDMA's damm near catastrophic drop in form & Fentons overall lack of experience, we headed into the game thinking that we had serious issues at midfield. Hence the short kickouts. Gavin was trying to do damage limitation by playing the percentages. Doing so meant that we retained possession during the restarts, but fortunately, it cost us else where.

    Absolutely. I only make the point with Saturday looming tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    I think MDM performance has taken any decision out of Gavin hands. Bastic to start with Fenlon in mid. This gives us much more options for long kick outs. I thought Bastic made a huge ball winning difference when he came on. The black card killed us

    Was it only me or did MDM look to be half a yard too slow the whole time? He couldn't keep up with any runners whatsoever. It looks pretty obvious that the lack of game time means he's not up to pace. So much of his game is based on energy and non stop running that it's killing him. It's sad considering some of the performances he has put in over the last few seasons. Hopefully he gets right for next year


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    The midfield isn't strong but its not so weak that we should go short every single time, that's just predictable and it nearly lost us the game in the end. I'm happy with us going short but we need to mix it up more, Fenton and Bastick in particular showed they can win ball. Isolate Flynn with a mayo HB and you've got another strong option. I wouldn't fancy us to win most ball around the middle as Parson and the O'Ses are huge but we should definitely go long more often.

    One thing I noticed was that Cluxton was so fixated on going short that we missed free men in the middle. A couple of tines there'd be men on space in the middle, but stevos first instinct was short, when that wasn't on he'd go long but at that stage the free man in the middle was being marked so he kicked a hail Mary.


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