Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

keane2097

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

The midfield isn't strong but its not so weak that we should go short every single time, that's just predictable and it nearly lost us the game in the end. I'm happy with us going short but we need to mix it up more, Fenton and Bastick in particular showed they can win ball. Isolate Flynn with a mayo HB and you've got another strong option. I wouldn't fancy us to win most ball around the middle as Parson and the O'Ses are huge but we should definitely go long more often.

I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that Mayo were crazy to keep letting Cluxton give it to Jonny Cooper, while you're saying Dublin made a mistake in constantly taking that option.

I tend to think you're correct on this one and that the "Mayo should have pushed up" stuff is largely confirmation bias.

Letting Cooper have the ball brings possibly Mayo's biggest asset - the unbelievable tackling of their forward line - into play.

For Dublin, the whole game is getting from back to front like lightening, and going from Cluxton to Cooper back to Cluxton IMO was the main reason the only ended up with like 24 shots when they usually have close to 40.

Padkir

keane2097 wrote: »

I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that Mayo were crazy to keep letting Cluxton give it to Jonny Cooper, while you're saying Dublin made a mistake in constantly taking that option.

I tend to think you're correct on this one and that the "Mayo should have pushed up" stuff is largely confirmation bias.

Letting Cooper have the ball brings possibly Mayo's biggest asset - the unbelievable tackling of their forward line - into play.

For Dublin, the whole game is getting from back to front like lightening, and going from Cluxton to Cooper back to Cluxton IMO was the main reason the only ended up with like 24 shots when they usually have close to 40.

Good point. During the game I like many other Mayo fans were annoyed that they kept letting them pass it short. But looking back it probably wasn't the worst tactic; they turned over a bit of ball and meant that it was a much slower build-up from Dublin.

Bomber Liston had a point in the paper (Indo??) about that; letting Cluxton give it to someone who is not nearly as good of a distributor as him while only giving up 10 yards was not a bad idea. Especially given the work-rate of the forwards to not let the defenders easily hand-pass their way out.

Fr Tod Umptious

keane2097 wrote: »

I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that Mayo were crazy to keep letting Cluxton give it to Jonny Cooper, while you're saying Dublin made a mistake in constantly taking that option.

I tend to think you're correct on this one and that the "Mayo should have pushed up" stuff is largely confirmation bias.

Letting Cooper have the ball brings possibly Mayo's biggest asset - the unbelievable tackling of their forward line - into play.

For Dublin, the whole game is getting from back to front like lightening, and going from Cluxton to Cooper back to Cluxton IMO was the main reason the only ended up with like 24 shots when they usually have close to 40.

That's what I thought.

All I had read about all week was about Cluxton and his "lightning fast restarts"
But all I saw was a ball to the corner, then back to Cluxton, and then out again, taking a good bit of time.

Fair enough it may have allowed Cluxton a bit of comfort on the ball, but it was hardly putting Dublin in possession high up the field before Mayo knew what was going on.

Paulzx

keane2097 wrote: »

I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that Mayo were crazy to keep letting Cluxton give it to Jonny Cooper, while you're saying Dublin made a mistake in constantly taking that option.

I tend to think you're correct on this one and that the "Mayo should have pushed up" stuff is largely confirmation bias.

Letting Cooper have the ball brings possibly Mayo's biggest asset - the unbelievable tackling of their forward line - into play.

For Dublin, the whole game is getting from back to front like lightening, and going from Cluxton to Cooper back to Cluxton IMO was the main reason the only ended up with like 24 shots when they usually have close to 40.

Correct. Fast ball forward is nearly impossible if the keeper is passing to his corner backs every time.

Dublin would be better competing further out for the ball. When Cluxton can't pick a free man out near the halfway well then let the midfield etc. compete. You'll win some, lose some and break some down. At least then you can attack at pace.

Dublin are at their worst when going sideways across the field. They don't seem to be as strong as the Ulster teams at holding the ball and making no progress. They need to be working off breaking ball or forward ball. I'm not saying the halfback line should be bombing on willy nilly like last year. You still mind the house but at least it injects pace into the game.

Pace is Dublins friend

ProudDUB

Paulzx wrote: »

Correct. Fast ball forward is nearly impossible if the keeper is passing to his corner backs every time.

Dublin would be better competing further out for the ball. When Cluxton can't pick a free man out near the halfway well then let the midfield etc. compete. You'll win some, lose some and break some down. At least then you can attack at pace.

Dublin are at their worst when going sideways across the field. They don't seem to be as strong as the Ulster teams at holding the ball and making no progress. They need to be working off breaking ball or forward ball. I'm not saying the halfback line should be bombing on willy nilly like last year. You still mind the house but at least it injects pace into the game.

Pace is Dublins friend

Agree 100%. I don't even think that it needs to be a competition further out for the ball. It's not like I want him to hoof it into midfield and hope for the best that one of our lads catches it, Daragh O'Shea style. You can structure effective longer kick outs, if you pick specific players to kick it too. That worked brilliantly in the AI final two years ago, when Cluxton kicked the long ball out to runners wide on the wing - Connolly and McCarthy usually. The ball was over the half way line mere seconds after leaving Cluxtons boot. The longer slower build up just wastes our most effective weapon - pace & that is a crying shame.

CurryFlavoured

Only after watching the 2005 doc there.

Wish we had strong Laois and Meath sides to compete in Leinster. Just for the laugh how many of those guys would get in the current team? I know they were barren years but we had some very good players and nearly beat a great Tyrone side that year. Keaney and Mossy had some great years, Whelo obviously, my memory's not great but I always likes O'Shaughnassy. Injuries ruined him. I think what sets us apart now is management and prep, we still had a good side then.

Paulzx

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

but I always likes O'Shaughnassy. Injuries ruined him.

A smashing defender. Was too brave for his own good. Brilliant at getting a touch on the ball when he was behind the forward. I think it was shoulder injuries that done him in the end

Pierce_1991

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Only after watching the 2005 doc there.

Wish we had strong Laois and Meath sides to compete in Leinster. Just for the laugh how many of those guys would get in the current team? I know they were barren years but we had some very good players and nearly beat a great Tyrone side that year. Keaney and Mossy had some great years, Whelo obviously, my memory's not great but I always likes O'Shaughnassy. Injuries ruined him. I think what sets us apart now is management and prep, we still had a good side then.

Watched that doc myself yesterday and my overriding feeling was that I'd love to have Ciaran Whelan in the current set up. Never more so than for this weekend, think he could make a huge impact. Mossy and Keaney would be great options too, as would Jayo. Also wouldn't mind having Mark Vaughan around for the last minute free kick :P

seanhynes

Barry Cahill or Conal Keaney would walk into the team

CurryFlavoured

Mark Vaughan, what a pity. Lad could kick frees near the 65.

Barry Cahill was a really great player, very underrated I always thoughy. Keaney had a great left boot but he was also a brilliant ball winner inside.

Flukey

I went to get my ticket this morning, only to find a notice on the door that Parnell Pass tickets are not being distributed until tomorrow. Apparently there was something on the website last night, but myself and others didn't know that. A text alert could have done the job better. A member of staff had suffered a bereavement and some of the students that work there were not available, so only one person would have been able to cover, so they closed it. A person from Croke Park gave us this information. As I've said here, I suggested to her that Pass holders should be able to get their tickets online, seeing as we can renew our passes that way. Anyway, it is back in tomorrow morning to get my ticket. So if any of you are planning to go in today, stay at home.

ProudDUB

Flukes, are you not on the Twitter machine? Yesterday, the DCB tweeted that the normal ticket pick up day of Tuesday, had been changed to Wednesday. Sorry, I would have posted that here, but it didn't occur to me. Even if you aren't into the whole social meeja marlarkey, it's a great way to keep up to speed with stuff like this, as well as get those all important fashion tips from Paul Galvin.

Paulzx

ProudDUB wrote: »

, as well as get those all important fashion tips from Paul Galvin.

Very valuable. He got me into wearing those skin tight jean things. Cancelled my planned vasectomy last week

corny

keane2097 wrote: »

I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that Mayo were crazy to keep letting Cluxton give it to Jonny Cooper, while you're saying Dublin made a mistake in constantly taking that option.

I tend to think you're correct on this one and that the "Mayo should have pushed up" stuff is largely confirmation bias.

Letting Cooper have the ball brings possibly Mayo's biggest asset - the unbelievable tackling of their forward line - into play.

For Dublin, the whole game is getting from back to front like lightening, and going from Cluxton to Cooper back to Cluxton IMO was the main reason the only ended up with like 24 shots when they usually have close to 40.

It is but IMO a lot of the stuff around the kick out is based on what makes sense intuitively and not on anything concrete.

For example, Dublin worked their penalty from a short kick out that was returned to Cluxton. Their second goal came from a placed ball in their own half when Mayo set up with numbers behind the ball. Also, worth noting they scored 2-12. Exactly the same amount as the last championship game where they had no issues with the kick out. In fact the ball they won in 2013 (50-60 yards in open space) should have seen them put up a cricket score if conventional wisdom were true.

In short, I think the kick out and its importance to Dublin maybe a little overstated. I blame Tomas O Se!

Flukey

ProudDUB wrote: »

Flukes, are you not on the Twitter machine? Yesterday, the DCB tweeted that the normal ticket pick up day of Tuesday, had been changed to Wednesday. Sorry, I would have posted that here, but it didn't occur to me. Even if you aren't into the whole social meeja marlarkey, it's a great way to keep up to speed with stuff like this, as well as get those all important fashion tips from Paul Galvin.

I am on social media alright, following a lot of the Dublin GAA stuff, but just didn't see that yesterday. At least it was a nice day and I got a few other things done in town. Back in tomorrow.

BonnieSituation

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Watched that doc myself yesterday and my overriding feeling was that I'd love to have Ciaran Whelan in the current set up. Never more so than for this weekend, think he could make a huge impact. Mossy and Keaney would be great options too, as would Jayo. Also wouldn't mind having Mark Vaughan around for the last minute free kick :P

And maybe Ray Cosgrove...

flogen

Not sure if this has been put up here already - couldn't see it in the thread - but is there a case to be made that O'Shea pulled McMahon to him in an attempt to simulate a headbutt?

The first angle that was doing the rounds looked like a clear-cut headbutt to me, but this one that was up on Joe.ie earlier paints a bit of a different picture:

http://m0.sportsjoe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/31223616/1.gif

Now bear with me here - but O'Shea has (the much smaller and lighter) McMahon by the collar with his arm flexed, when his arm suddenly gives way and their heads come close together. Without getting too CSI on it all, it also looks like McMahon's collar is pulled out as he moves closer - which wouldn't happen if he was pushing rather than O'Shea pulling.

Maybe I'm just seeing things through blue-tinted glasses and from under a tin foil hat, but this angle paints a far less clear picture than the other. Though, tbh, I think he was lucky to get away without a card one way or another because the angle the ref and linesman would have seen was far more incriminating.

Paulzx

Nahhh......he was goin in for the shift

danjo-xx

They have decided that McMahon has no case to answer as the evidence is inconclusive, so he can play on Saturday. Dermot Connolly's case will be heard on Thursday or earlier if requested.

themandan6611

worth a listen, fair play to Charlie

https://soundcloud.com/dublinsfm104/charlie-redmond

Slattsy

Gowan Charlie ya good thing.

PARlance

Good man Charlie, spends a few mins giving out about McStay focusing in on Dublin players and then spends the rest talking about O'Connor.

And he's right, they need more refs, they needed and used them back in 95 when good man Charlie was getting his collar pulled

Pierce_1991

Brilliant stuff from Charlie.

corny

True what he said about O' Connor. I thought he made an attempt to punch Connolly. Never like to see much made of incidents like that (i'd have them shake hands and carry on;)) but if its good enough for one it should be for both.

Just on O' Connor, if you watch the game back the lad is an absolute disgrace to himself. He was at every single breakdown in play aggressively in the referees face and punching and dragging blue jerseys. Add in the flashpoints.... I still can't believe he was given MOTM.

I hope there's some introspection from the Mayo lads too. There's a few clowns on these threads that i hope don't make up the moral majority.

Pierce_1991

Anyone else also think it's kind of pathetic that O'Connor takes so long to tap over a free kick from 20 meters?

ProudDUB

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Anyone else also think it's kind of pathetic that O'Connor takes so long to tap over a free kick from 20 meters?

Christ no ! :eek:

He should be encouraged to take as long as he wants with them. If I had my way, I'd go out and bring him a nice cup of tea and some chocolate hobnobs, in between the free being awarded and him actually taking it. If I knew where he lived, I'd send him a medal for taking as long as he did over them at the end of the 2013 final.

Just not an All Ireland medal !

ultrapercy

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Anyone else also think it's kind of pathetic that O'Connor takes so long to tap over a free kick from 20 meters?

It doesn't take him any longer to tap one over from 20 yards than it takes Stephen Cluxton to jog up the pitch and kick the ball wide.

ProudDUB

ultrapercy wrote: »

It doesn't take him any longer to tap one over from 20 yards than it takes Stephen Cluxton to jog up the pitch and kick the ball over the bar and win an All Ireland final.

Fixed that for you there boss.

Regarding O'Connor & frees, one of the more senior players was asked after the '13 final, why it took him so long to take them & why they didn't get him to hurry up. He said that CO'C has some very meticulous, almost OCD-esque (and I'm paraphrasing here, so feel free to correct me on what he said exactly) routine that he does prior to taking every free. So it while takes him a lot longer than the average free taker, it accounts for why he is so accurate. So while they would prefer that he took them quicker, they didn't want to do something that would mess with his accuracy.

Brusna

corny wrote: »

True what he said about O' Connor. I thought he made an attempt to punch Connolly. Never like to see much made of incidents like that (i'd have them shake hands and carry on;)) but if its good enough for one it should be for both.

Just on O' Connor, if you watch the game back the lad is an absolute disgrace to himself. He was at every single breakdown in play aggressively in the referees face and punching and dragging blue jerseys. Add in the flashpoints.... I still can't believe he was given MOTM.

I hope there's some introspection from the Mayo lads too. There's a few clowns on these threads that i hope don't make up the moral majority.

I agree there's a few clowns on here. I would put you in that category after that comment about COC.

Kavrocks

Brusna wrote: »

I agree there's a few clowns on here. I would put you in that category after that comment about COC.

Red and green tinted glasses...