Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Giveitfong · 30-08-2015 07:48PM

Are you referring to the WIT Sports Centre at Carriganore? It's not a Waterford County Board facility (nor even a GAA facility as such, although it contains GAA pitches). I suppose it could be arranged to use it, but I would prefer a dedicated County Board facility, not a facility which could only be accessed when WIT aren't using it. I only proposed Dungarvan because of its central location and the fact that there is plenty of space at Fraher Field for such a development.

conditioned games · 30-08-2015 08:17PM

Seems like some people are not living in the real world. Shall the county board start printing Euros to pay for the new county development officer and second centre of excellence located in West waterford. There are 4 grass and 1 gaa sized all weather fields in Carriganore where the county teams already train. Kilmacthomas is central in waterford, dungarvan is just as non central as Carriganore is. Limerick have JP Mcmanus bank rolling them through the sporting limerick sponsorship. Where will waterford get the funding for all these head in the cloud ideas?

Alf Tupper · 30-08-2015 08:35PM

Giveitfong wrote: »

Are you referring to the WIT Sports Centre at Carriganore? It's not a Waterford County Board facility (nor even a GAA facility as such, although it contains GAA pitches). I suppose it could be arranged to use it, but I would prefer a dedicated County Board facility, not a facility which could only be accessed when WIT aren't using it. I only proposed Dungarvan because of its central location and the fact that there is plenty of space at Fraher Field for such a development.

It is a GAA facility and there are discussions going on at the moment between Croke Park, WIT and Waterford Council to generate funds to develop it further.

The lead people in all of these discussions are Waterford GAA people to the core.

Developing anything else is only a pipe dream!

PTH2009 · 30-08-2015 08:42PM

This time in 2055 we will be playing in mullane park (located in carriginore). 60000 all seater stadium lol

The blue blaa · 30-08-2015 09:55PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Seems like some people are not living in the real world. Shall the county board start printing Euros to pay for the new county development officer and second centre of excellence located in West waterford. There are 4 grass and 1 gaa sized all weather fields in Carriganore where the county teams already train. Kilmacthomas is central in waterford, dungarvan is just as non central as Carriganore is. Limerick have JP Mcmanus bank rolling them through the sporting limerick sponsorship. Where will waterford get the funding for all these head in the cloud ideas?

I agree the idea of another centre of excellence is a non runner and wouldn't make sense. Getting back to my original point some mentors of various development squads are not up to scratch, barely havin a foundation coaching course done and have very little experience from within their own clubs as a coach. While i understand completely its a hard thing to find people, i dont think the right people have being approached and asked would they like to train a county team. Not many would say no if approached. its a huge honour but in recent years an email is sent to club secretaries asking for coaches to get involved and after that its passed onto god knows who. The GDA'S in my opinion are doing fantastic work in pushing them through coaching courses and child welfare courses,plus trying to help the mentors train teams who basically havnt a clue what their at.
Look at various clubs around the county and approach the lads who are doing the good work underage in their clubs, not the ex players of years ago who i agree in recent years seem to be the worst men for the job and no father of a player trying to get on a panel should be involved in anyway. Also the current idea of a management team getting a team at U13 and moving up to minor without a review system is a massive flaw which over the next few years will not help the development of our county, all them development coaches should be giving a coaching refresher course by high profile coach/coaches 2-3 times a year. To maintain the high quality needed to take players to the next level.

conditioned games · 30-08-2015 10:21PM

Those that have been appointed to these development squads over the past number of years were already involved in training underage teams within their own clubs. They have shown massive commitment by staying with the same age group up along.

How many times have we seen U21 managers been appointed that were never involved in their underage development playing lads out of position or not having the best 15 on the field. Is it a myth that there are these excellent coach's in waterford that have obtained coaching qualifications but somehow are not been considered.

Alf Tupper · 30-08-2015 10:27PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Those that have been appointed to these development squads over the past number of years were already involved in training underage teams within their own clubs. They have shown massive commitment by staying with the same age group up along.

How many times have we seen U21 managers been appointed that were never involved in their underage development playing lads out of position or not having the best 15 on the field. Is it a myth that there are these excellent coach's in waterford that have obtained coaching qualifications but somehow are not been considered.

Paul Flynn
Andy Moloney
Colm Bonnar
James O'Connor
Dave Bennett
Liam O'Connor
Sean Pender

To name a few off the cuff, with a proven track record, who with the right conditions would definitely get involved.

The problem is the guys mentioned above are too straight and tell it as it is to the Paddy and Timmy the dog, so they'll never get a chance.

Mountainlad · 30-08-2015 10:37PM

To add to that list of senior hurlers who've been involved and are involved with teams:

Dan Shanahan
Fergal Hartley
Liam Lawlor
John Mullane
Tony Browne
Ken McGrath
Peter Queally

Like I'd say we have more former seniors involved in coaching than any other County.

conditioned games · 30-08-2015 10:48PM

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Paul Flynn
Andy Moloney
Colm Bonnar
James O'Connor
Dave Bennett
Liam O'Connor
Sean Pender

To name a few off the cuff, with a proven track record, who with the right conditions would definitely get involved.

The problem is the guys mentioned above are too straight and tell it as it is to the Paddy and Timmy the dog, so they'll never get a chance.

Liam Chuck o connor already managed an age group up to minor in 2011 and did well. The rest are more interested in a pay check and have shown little interest in managing underage teams.

The current format from U14 to minor is working. I would be more interested in expanding Tony Brown's idea of having the 21 manager working with the 19 and 20 year old's the year previous to get them working towards a particular system in advance of the following year.

The blue blaa · 30-08-2015 10:51PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Those that have been appointed to these development squads over the past number of years were already involved in training underage teams within their own clubs. They have shown massive commitment by staying with the same age group up along.

How many times have we seen U21 managers been appointed that were never involved in their underage development playing lads out of position or not having the best 15 on the field. Is it a myth that there are these excellent coach's in waterford that have obtained coaching qualifications but somehow are not been considered.

1) i never once mentioned "excellent coaches"
2)I'm not talking about U21 grade
3)you are wrong when you say mentor's were involved in training within their own club.

You know and i know not every mentor had experience in coaching or even held a coaching qualification?
I dont want to turn this into an argument with you and like i said i feel the GDA'S are left to sort out the mess left when they have enough to be doing. My point is we will under perform over next 3 years if it's not addressed in time.
And i think the Tony Forristal management this year is a good one, Billy Walsh is a good upcoming coach who achieved good results with the secondary school St.Declans Kilmac in the college's this year and the players seem to like him. Young coaches like him are the way forward also Sean Power deserved another term in charge after winning All Ireland has he being approached since to take another team??

conditioned games · 30-08-2015 11:03PM

The blue blaa wrote: »

1) i never once mentioned "excellent coaches"
2)I'm not talking about U21 grade
3)you are wrong when you say mentor's were involved in training within their own club.

You know and i know not every mentor had experience in coaching or even held a coaching qualification?
I dont want to turn this into an argument with you and like i said i feel the GDA'S are left to sort out the mess left when they have enough to be doing. My point is we will under perform over next 3 years if it's not addressed in time.
And i think the Tony Forristal management this year is a good one, Billy Walsh is a good upcoming coach who achieved good results with the secondary school St.Declans Kilmac in the college's this year and the players seem to like him. Young coaches like him are the way forward also Sean Power deserved another term in charge after winning All Ireland has he being approached since to take another team??

Sean has a young family and new business, he said he wasn't interested. Billy is involved with the U14s this year along Brian Murray that also teaches in Kilmac. It is there for him if he has the commitment to stick with the same bunch up along.

robopaddy2 · 30-08-2015 11:04PM

conditioned games wrote: »

The current format from U14 to minor is working.

Yea this years results and performances prove that. ðŸ‘Œ

conditioned games · 30-08-2015 11:15PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Yea this years results and performances prove that. ðŸ‘Œ

It was yourself that said on here these things go through peaks and troughs. The system in place this year was the same as the past 8yrs. Why the change now all of a sudden. Success breds success aswell, young lads watching the county senior team do well inspires the next generation which may have resulted in waterford getting to 7 tony forristal finals between 2004 and 2012.

culbaire · 30-08-2015 11:44PM

conditioned games wrote: »

It was yourself that said on here these things go through peaks and troughs. The system in place this year was the same as the past 8yrs. Why the change now all of a sudden. Success breds success aswell, young lads watching the county senior team do well inspires the next generation which may have resulted in waterford getting to 7 tony forristal finals between 2004 and 2012.

You need people with expertise in charge if players are to fulfill their potential. One of the biggest disadvantages Waterford teams have had down through the years is that there is often a lack of ability on the part of mentors. Take a look at the situation in U-21 hurling this year. That is just on of many examples down through the years. There is the same problem in some of the development squads. Former players like Paul Flynn and Ken McGrath should be added to them.

archieknox · 30-08-2015 11:53PM

The blue blaa wrote: »

I agree the idea of another centre of excellence is a non runner and wouldn't make sense. Getting back to my original point some mentors of various development squads are not up to scratch, barely havin a foundation coaching course done and have very little experience from within their own clubs as a coach. While i understand completely its a hard thing to find people, i dont think the right people have being approached and asked would they like to train a county team. Not many would say no if approached. its a huge honour but in recent years an email is sent to club secretaries asking for coaches to get involved and after that its passed onto god knows who. The GDA'S in my opinion are doing fantastic work in pushing them through coaching courses and child welfare courses,plus trying to help the mentors train teams who basically havnt a clue what their at.
Look at various clubs around the county and approach the lads who are doing the good work underage in their clubs, not the ex players of years ago who i agree in recent years seem to be the worst men for the job and no father of a player trying to get on a panel should be involved in anyway. Also the current idea of a management team getting a team at U13 and moving up to minor without a review system is a massive flaw which over the next few years will not help the development of our county, all them development coaches should be giving a coaching refresher course by high profile coach/coaches 2-3 times a year. To maintain the high quality needed to take players to the next level.

Spot on.

PTH2009 · 30-08-2015 11:55PM

De La Salle in right trouble losing to ballyduff upper and are now 5th in group 1 and in danger of not getting to the quarter finals.

congrats to Roanmore on making the Quarters for the first time in a good few years.

looks like either Dungarvan, Passage or Ballygunner will win it this year

robopaddy2 · 31-08-2015 03:14AM

conditioned games wrote: »

It was yourself that said on here these things go through peaks and troughs. The system in place this year was the same as the past 8yrs. Why the change now all of a sudden. Success success aswell, young lads watching the county senior team do well inspires the next generation which may have resulted in waterford getting to 7 tony forristal finals between 2004 and 2012.

Look I just think we can’t afford to rest on our laurels.Other counties around us like Clare, Limerick, Wexford etc who like us wouldn’thave been traditionally very strong at underage are improving massively aswell. While the system in place has worked in the sense that weve now seen success (minor and colleges all Irelands), we need to freshen it up again. I can see it going a bit stale over the next few years and its no good producing one good crop of players if you have taken the eye off the ball in terms of the next group coming behind them. I definitely believe that an improvement in recruiting quality personell to take charge of the young teams is a step in theright direction.

I don’t think a ‘coaching centre of excellence’ is a realistic option, given the size of the county and our financial resources. I think were fortunate enough to have Carriganore within the bounds of the county and the co board should be doing whatever they can to row in behind the running of that facility and use it for everything it’s worth. The relationship with WIT is very important aswell given both the sporting and academic opportunities available to the young players in the county and definitely think that it’s the way forward.

archieknox · 31-08-2015 07:55AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

De La Salle in right trouble losing to ballyduff upper and are now 5th in group 1 and in danger of not getting to the quarter finals.

congrats to Roanmore on making the Quarters for the first time in a good few years.

looks like either Dungarvan, Passage or Ballygunner will win it this year

DLS hit 27 wides on Sat against Ballyduff Upper so in terms of possession that wasn't the problem so I would back them to get that sorted against Fourmilewater the next day. Rumours that its not a happy camp there but then what team/club won't have problems with everyone not getting on.
The Roanmore/Lismore game was entertaining and the spirit shown by the city side to come back at the death when they looked dead and buried deserves great credit. They were alot fitter than Lismore,and while Dave Bennett will look back on it as a point lost the stark reality is his side are struggling and god help them if Maurice Shanahan gets injured as they haven't another forward in sight.
The Tallow and Fourmilewater game was close but the standard was poor. A real honest endeavour but no real pace to the game where Tallow with the aid of an extra man couldn't make use of their numerical advantage.
Ourselves and Cappoquin was the other game I saw and with Paddy Curran and Ryan Donnelly scoring 5.10 between them saw us run out comfortable winners. Good to see Kevin Daly getting some game time on his recovery from the cruciate injury aswell.
Even with the last round of games to go in 2 weeks time I still think the winners will come from Ballygunner, Passage Mt.Sion or ourselves and DLS and my prediction is if Ballyduff do meet Lismore in a relegation final they will come out on top as I think they will have to much physicality for a weak Lismore outfit.

Mountainlad · 31-08-2015 08:16AM

De La Salle have their backs against the wall for next weekend, they have to win. A draw will see them out. Four mile were down a few bodies, think they'll need a full team to win next weekend.

Think Group 2 is the stronger of the two groups, Passage the form team but Sion probably won't be far away once they get their full team back. As good as Ballygunner are going, can't help but feel they'll feel Mahonys loss at some stage at the business end.

On the Ball Boy · 31-08-2015 05:17PM

conditioned games wrote: »

Sean has a young family and new business, he said he wasn't interested. Billy is involved with the U14s this year along Brian Murray that also teaches in Kilmac. It is there for him if he has the commitment to stick with the same bunch up along.

Not sure if that's 100% true, I heard Sean was very much interested in taking this years U-21 team, I heard he had his selectors and backroom team in place, but lost out on the job to Lyons, if that is true I'm fairly sure he'd be interested again this year.

JesusRef · 31-08-2015 07:03PM

How on earth did Cappoquin win a Munster intermediate and how in the hell did they beat Lismore?
They have to be better than what they displayed last night, they have a few skillful hurlers but their teamwork was non existent, they look very young and light, maybe senior came a few years too soon?

PTH2009 · 31-08-2015 08:04PM

Ill be jealous of galway if they win the all Ireland but happy for them as they have experienced some hurt in the past.

It's hard to believe that we made it to an all Ireland semi final dis year and won the league

robopaddy2 · 31-08-2015 10:13PM

JesusRef wrote: »

How on earth did Cappoquin win a Munster intermediate and how in the hell did they beat Lismore?
They have to be better than what they displayed last night, they have a few skillful hurlers but their teamwork was non existent, they look very young and light, maybe senior came a few years too soon?

What happened with the murrays after? Were any of them playing the other night?

JesusRef · 31-08-2015 11:10PM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

What happened with the murrays after? Were any of them playing the other night?

I don't know I wouldn't know any of their players, just saw them playing last night, I just expected more based on their all Ireland club run

Mountainlad · 01-09-2015 07:36AM

robopaddy2 wrote: »

What happened with the murrays after? Were any of them playing the other night?

Conor and Finan not listed on the panel, there is a Shane Murray down for them.

The blue blaa · 01-09-2015 09:13AM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Conor and Finan not listed on the panel, there is a Shane Murray down for them.

They are not playing at all for Cappoquinn, the older Lad is going to Blackrock and two younger lads eoghan & Finion going to ballyduff upper in January

liamos43 · 01-09-2015 02:57PM

What was the end result of the awful row at Mount Sion v Dungarvan hurling match a few weeks ago? How many people were suspended and how long were they suspended for. Thks .......

archieknox · 01-09-2015 03:47PM

liamos43 wrote: »

What was the end result of the awful row at Mount Sion v Dungarvan hurling match a few weeks ago? How many people were suspended and how long were they suspended for. Thks .......

Down with this sort of thing!!!

thesultan · 01-09-2015 05:49PM

€500 fine each. Both players that were sent off got a match each, The fella in the brawl got two game ban

robopaddy2 · 02-09-2015 12:43AM

JesusRef wrote: »

I don't know I wouldn't know any of their players, just saw them playing last night, I just expected more based on their all Ireland club run

OK, well apparently their still without the 3 Murray brothers from last year. 3 ex-county minors. Massive loss to the team and club as a whole.

To be fair Dungarvan have to be considered serious contenders now aswell based on that result. DLS look to be no great shakes and Dgarvan could fancy taking Ballygunner without Pauric Mahony.

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