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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Milked out wrote: »
    Advisor took some grass to sample last week, came back at 28.7% p, 19% dm, 11.2 me. No dmd value on report for some reason. Field hadn't got fert for 2.5 weeks 30 units I think so surprised that the p was so high. Paddock hadn't been cut just grazed all season. To keep condition on cows with protein like that in grass would nearly be worth keeping in the meal, 14% p will be a greater response this time of year anyway

    What area u in? Reseeded ground? Was that taken on a wet or dry day? Phenomenally high p, would've thought 22/23 would be more like it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    What area u in? Reseeded ground? Was that taken on a wet or dry day? Phenomenally high p, would've thought 22/23 would be more like it.

    Mid cork, field was reseeded about 13 yrs ago but is on driest part of farm so gets plenty slurry early and late in year and paddocks are a tad small so generally geazed out well which has kept the grass going well. Showery day but sample was taken round 4.30 after a sunny spell, think he vacuum packs the sample in local butcher before sending off.
    I thought the same re p being round low 20.s but he said it has come in higher in a lot of places and that's why he took one here to show me. More worried about paddocks which may have only gotten fert in last week that cows will be going onto now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Had my first Lwr calf born today- a heifer 6 days early and calved unassisted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,748 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Don't think there's any withdrawal with buscopan, least that's what my vet told me anyway when I queried it earlier on in the summer. Leaflet doesn't give a time
    its not licensed for milking cows, was clear yesterday evening when i tested the milk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,323 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Milked out wrote: »
    Advisor took some grass to sample last week, came back at 28.7% p, 19% dm, 11.2 me. No dmd value on report for some reason. Field hadn't got fert for 2.5 weeks 30 units I think so surprised that the p was so high. Paddock hadn't been cut just grazed all season. To keep condition on cows with protein like that in grass would nearly be worth keeping in the meal, 14% p will be a greater response this time of year anyway


    what's your milk urea ?

    high enough here (don't have phone atm) will check later

    feeding 3 kgs 0f 16%

    25 ltrs 4.25 f 3.67p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    orm0nd wrote: »
    what's your milk urea ?

    high enough here (don't have phone atm) will check later

    feeding 3 kgs 0f 16%

    25 ltrs 4.25 f 3.67p

    No milk urea test in dairygold unfortunately. Bf 4.39 and 3.75 p but still have a few autumn calvers to dry off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Article in journal re supplementing spring calving cows. They quoted research from.responses in adequate and inadequate grass supply scenarios which is fine bar the fact the info from the adequate supply scenario was gathered in 92. Dunno bout anyone else but one would like to think genetics have improved in the intervening 23 years and that info should have been gathered in the same calender year at leaSt with a note of grazing conditions to give a better idea of responses


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Milked out wrote: »
    Article in journal re supplementing spring calving cows. They quoted research from.responses in adequate and inadequate grass supply scenarios which is fine bar the fact the info from the adequate supply scenario was gathered in 92. Dunno bout anyone else but one would like to think genetics have improved in the intervening 23 years and that info should have been gathered in the same calender year at leaSt with a note of grazing conditions to give a better idea of responses

    I alway like to feed cows well from on. Keeps lactose up . Keeps them milking and means they are in good order at drying off and can get just silage.


    Most importantly they wouldnt bother their hole coming in for me if i cut out meal :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Milked out wrote: »
    Article in journal re supplementing spring calving cows. They quoted research from.responses in adequate and inadequate grass supply scenarios which is fine bar the fact the info from the adequate supply scenario was gathered in 92. Dunno bout anyone else but one would like to think genetics have improved in the intervening 23 years and that info should have been gathered in the same calender year at leaSt with a note of grazing conditions to give a better idea of responses

    Not to mind the fact that we've forgotten around twice as much in the intervening years than we knew in '92. Whatever adequate meant then it doesn't mean anything like the same thing today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Milked out wrote: »
    Article in journal re supplementing spring calving cows. They quoted research from.responses in adequate and inadequate grass supply scenarios which is fine bar the fact the info from the adequate supply scenario was gathered in 92. Dunno bout anyone else but one would like to think genetics have improved in the intervening 23 years and that info should have been gathered in the same calender year at leaSt with a note of grazing conditions to give a better idea of responses
    There is a whole generation of research out there committed to responses from silage but, even 10 years on from grass replacing silage as the forage of choice, there is precious little research into supplementation at grass.

    The only research I can think of is a sideline to breed research in the Fr/Ho/Je/Jex breed trials in Fermoy and Ballydague.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Looking forward to these girls calving. Most be 2 yr old now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭visatorro


    don't know how related this is to anything but a farmers lifestyle. was talking to a dairy farmer recently, milking 100 cows. three kids under ten. his wife works also. they get up at seven. gets kids ready for school. herself leaves for work at half eight. he brings kids to school for ten past nine. comes home and milks. parlour washed down around eleven. goes about his few jobs for the day. collects kids at three. does homework etc. herself comes home at five, they have dinner. most evenings theres some breed of an outing, sports, dancing, kids party. kids go to bed around half eight. off out to milk again. back in house just after ten. bed eleven. didn't actually ask what he does for the summer. he said when the kids get too cool for hanging around with him he'll bring the routine back to some normality.
    id consider this fella a good operator, he seems happy that he's giving his family a good start. suppose there is a flexibility that farming offers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,748 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    visatorro wrote: »
    don't know how related this is to anything but a farmers lifestyle. was talking to a dairy farmer recently, milking 100 cows. three kids under ten. his wife works also. they get up at seven. gets kids ready for school. herself leaves for work at half eight. he brings kids to school for ten past nine. comes home and milks. parlour washed down around eleven. goes about his few jobs for the day. collects kids at three. does homework etc. herself comes home at five, they have dinner. most evenings theres some breed of an outing, sports, dancing, kids party. kids go to bed around half eight. off out to milk again. back in house just after ten. bed eleven. didn't actually ask what he does for the summer. he said when the kids get too cool for hanging around with him he'll bring the routine back to some normality.
    id consider this fella a good operator, he seems happy that he's giving his family a good start. suppose there is a flexibility that farming offers.
    He doesnt have much time for getting things done during the day and also would be very late finishing up, but if its working for them fair play, different folks different strokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    visatorro wrote: »
    don't know how related this is to anything but a farmers lifestyle. was talking to a dairy farmer recently, milking 100 cows. three kids under ten. his wife works also. they get up at seven. gets kids ready for school. herself leaves for work at half eight. he brings kids to school for ten past nine. comes home and milks. parlour washed down around eleven. goes about his few jobs for the day. collects kids at three. does homework etc. herself comes home at five, they have dinner. most evenings theres some breed of an outing, sports, dancing, kids party. kids go to bed around half eight. off out to milk again. back in house just after ten. bed eleven. didn't actually ask what he does for the summer. he said when the kids get too cool for hanging around with him he'll bring the routine back to some normality.
    id consider this fella a good operator, he seems happy that he's giving his family a good start. suppose there is a flexibility that farming offers.

    My evening milking times have got later and later as my kids have got a little older.
    Will often spend some time with them around 6ish most evenings when they're having their evening meal, and then maybe bring them for the cows or yesterday we spent 20 mins picking blackberries!
    This generally means I'm not finished most nights til 930 or after, but I have no problem with that as it won't be forever, and spending times with toddlers is priceless!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,429 ✭✭✭tanko


    What would that farmers day be like when his 100 cows are calving. Would it be practical for one man to manage all that work without help?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    My evening milking times have got later and later as my kids have got a little older.
    Will often spend some time with them around 6ish most evenings when they're having their evening meal, and then maybe bring them for the cows or yesterday we spent 20 mins picking blackberries!
    This generally means I'm not finished most nights til 930 or after, but I have no problem with that as it won't be forever, and spending times with toddlers is priceless!

    Could you not do the other way? Try being finished at 6 and spend a few hrs with them till bed time. Mine are a little older 10,9&6. I like to start early and finish early so I can go to their various events.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Anyone feeding rolled oats to springing autumn calvers?
    Dad is on about it here. Says he always used to do it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Anyone feeding rolled oats to springing autumn calvers?
    Dad is on about it here. Says he always used to do it

    older generation used to do it here aswell, don't know why


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    visatorro wrote: »
    older generation used to do it here aswell, don't know why

    Oats heats the blood (remember the Readybrek ad?) and drives out a soft springing iirc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,748 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Anyone feeding rolled oats to springing autumn calvers?
    Dad is on about it here. Says he always used to do it
    is it not adding another cost ? I assume you got on ok with out it other years?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    we were talking about staff/relief milkers afew days ago, I trained in a local young lad with the parlour here yday evening to cover milkings, his dad has a dairy farm also, and he's quite keen. his only experience outside of his own farm is a summer job milking on a large farm in kk, but even still he had zero prbs at all, very well clued in. I'll have no issues with letting him on with it in the future, have done a deal with him that we are both happy with and it's considerable cheaper than a potentially very unreliable frs milker ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    we always give oats to calving cows, start them 2/3 weeks prior to calving we find makes a huge difference, 4 autumn calvers here already none assisted they blow the calves out with the oats
    an extra cost but makes calving easier on the cow/heifer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    we always give oats to calving cows, start them 2/3 weeks prior to calving we find makes a huge difference, 4 autumn calvers here already none assisted they blow the calves out with the oats
    an extra cost but makes calving easier on the cow/heifer

    When we used to keep a few mares we always fed oats. The foal would almost run out of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Timmaay wrote: »
    we were talking about staff/relief milkers afew days ago, I trained in a local young lad with the parlour here yday evening to cover milkings, his dad has a dairy farm also, and he's quite keen. his only experience outside of his own farm is a summer job milking on a large farm in kk, but even still he had zero prbs at all, very well clued in. I'll have no issues with letting him on with it in the future, have done a deal with him that we are both happy with and it's considerable cheaper than a potentially very unreliable frs milker ha.

    Just stopped in here to post an update on our staff issues.

    Young fella who sprained his ankle whose father owns a 600ha beef, sheep and dairy operation has now been told not to come back to work until he gets a medical plan in place in conjunction with his gp.

    Told the boss's wife if he gets stung by a bee he has ' under two minutes to live'. Good for them they called him on this crap that was never brought up in his interviews and contract discussions. He has been told not to come back to work until he has three epi pens, one on his person, one at home and one at the parlour as we have four hives going on the farm from now to the end of season. We've basically accepted that he will be leaving unless he seriously surprises us. The state of his accommodation that he shares with our other new worker has forced our sharemilker to inspect the house on a scheduled weekly basis. It's an 80 year old house I lived in for almost two years and passed with an A grade from a property manager during my residence.

    2nd lad who is brand new to dairying is coming on in leaps and bounds. Milking is improving phenomenally day by day, speed, observing cows and enquring about grass measuring etc. Starting to show that attitude is much more important than coming from a farming background in my opinion.

    To draw the whole thing together the boss and I have agreed to come up with a training programme for staff from health and safety all the way up to grass management if they are interested and want to learn. Just what you need this season, learning a lot of lessons early before I think about managing staff in the future.

    Good points about the farm in the past few days, production rising up to 19.3 litres per cow, 1.6ms per day. Still holding back for grass growth to kick in but can't wait to let the cows have it when we've enough grass to start cutting down the silage. Also sounds like we've confirmed a 100 tonne contract for PKE to help us get there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    XArticle in journal about solar panels quoted 3600 euros for heating water for 50 cows, looks steep to me or do you think its about right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Hyperhydrosis or a new way to cool down?
    33degrees outside and 41 in the parlor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Hyperhydrosis or a new way to cool down?
    33degrees outside and 41 in the parlor.

    Is that Canadian lady you had managing the cows still with you?

    Went paintballing today and can barley move here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭howdee


    Big problems here yesterday evening. Cows went into very lush grass yesterday morning and bringing them in I knew something wasn't right. Two were down and not able to get up and about ten of them were scouring something shocking. I was buffering them with hay but I didn't get a chance to put in a bale yesterday morning. Got a few bottles of calcium into the downers along with baking soda and scour powders while waiting for the vet and he put calcium into the vein. And got up yesterday evening around 11pm. The rest of the herd were put onto a bare paddock with a bale of hay. So much for minimal work on a Sunday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Is that Canadian lady you had managing the cows still with you?

    Went paintballing today and can barley move here

    She's going sharefarming a herd of cows. The owner got seriously injured when he got into a tangle with a round baler.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭mikefoxo


    How much electricity (measured in kwh I suppose) would it take to run a parlour? Something cheap and cheerful with say 6 units and maybe 40 milkers.


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