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US Journalists shot dead live on air [MOD WARNING in opening post]

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  • #332
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    If you were experienced with weapons then you'd be familiar with the recoil real rounds cause when fired from a handgun similar to the one used by the shooter. You'd probably also be familiar with the kind of recoil blank rounds cause. You'd also notice that the recoil of the weapon in the video is the same as that of what it would be if blank rounds were being shot.

    I can explain in more detail if you wish.

    Oh for crissakes.

    The likelyhood of this being fake is extremely low. There is no real reason for it to have been, it happened in public, it happened LIVE ON TV. Alright, you didn't see bullets entering bodies (thank God), but really, if anyone was going to fake the shooting, I think they might have the common sense not to try it in such a ...

    Do you think the guy that shot himself faked it too?

    >.>

    Don't insult the dead by suggesting that they shot ..I dunno, rubber dummies and ran off together to France, or whatever it is you're going for.


  • #333
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    If you were experienced with weapons then you'd be familiar with the recoil real rounds cause when fired from a handgun similar to the one used by the shooter. You'd probably also be familiar with the kind of recoil blank rounds cause. You'd also notice that the recoil of the weapon in the video is the same as that of what it would be if blank rounds were being shot.

    I can explain in more detail if you wish.

    I'm experienced with firearms and there is nothing at all unusual about the way the gun recoiled. You're making sh1t up.


  • #334
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    I can explain in more detail if you wish.
    LOL


  • #335
    Dry Rain
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 ✭Dry Rain


    Strider wrote: »
    I'm experienced with firearms and there is nothing at all unusual about the way the gun recoiled. You're making sh1t up.

    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    When a bullet is fired, it exits the barrel of the gun. The gun gets pushed backwards in the opposite direction. It usually lifts because of the user firmly holding the handle.
    When a blank is "fired", there is no bullet. It just blows up inside the chamber. There is force being released which causes the gun in jump in any direction.
    It's obvious that when you fire a weapon, it doesn't jump up, down, left, right, or in any other random direction. Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen. That was on the footage the news camera got.
    There is no point in attempting to look for bullets in the shooter's footage for the simple reason that the phone used to record it was suspiciously held at the same height as the gun and directly behind it. It would be a real shame if people got a close up, slow motion view of the bullets coming out.

    It's all staged in my opinion.
    The shooter recording the "shooting" is the typical way the American government covers things up. Since the camera conveniently fell and landed facing the shooter, it seemed kinda strange, almost fake.
    You can see this with the moon landing. NASA shows us fake images of people on the moon, then later back up their claim with fake satellite images of the moon with "evidence" there.


  • #336
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    You just lost the game sir. Thank you for playing.


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  • #337
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    When a bullet is fired, it exits the barrel of the gun. The gun gets pushed backwards in the opposite direction. It usually lifts because of the user firmly holding the handle.
    When a blank is "fired", there is no bullet. It just blows up inside the chamber. There is force being released which causes the gun in jump in any direction.
    It's obvious that when you fire a weapon, it doesn't jump up, down, left, right, or in any other random direction. Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen. That was on the footage the news camera got.
    There is no point in attempting to look for bullets in the shooter's footage for the simple reason that the phone used to record it was suspiciously held at the same height as the gun and directly behind it. It would be a real shame if people got a close up, slow motion view of the bullets coming out.

    It's all staged in my opinion.
    The shooter recording the "shooting" is the typical way the American government covers things up. Since the camera conveniently fell and landed facing the shooter, it seemed kinda strange, almost fake.
    You can see this with the moon landing. NASA shows us fake images of people on the moon, then later back up their claim with fake satellite images of the moon with "evidence" there.


    Charles Darwin's laws of physics

    Bullets moving slow enough to be seen on camera

    Blanks 'blowing up inside the chamber'

    The amount of BS in your post is astonishing:pac:


  • #338
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    Newton. Darwin was the biologist.
    When a blank is "fired", there is no bullet. It just blows up inside the chamber. There is force being released which causes the gun in jump in any direction.
    It's obvious that when you fire a weapon, it doesn't jump up, down, left, right, or in any other random direction. Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen. That was on the footage the news camera got.

    Look up what a blank is.

    Also, a bullet travels at about 1,700mph. That is far too fast for a camera to catch, even if you "slow it down". Did you know that when they say on a TV show "zoom in on that" repeatedly and they eventually get a perfectly clear picture of something two inches across from CCTV? I hate to break this to you, but that's bull**** too.

    Also, jesus, how many times have you been -watching- a scene of two people being brutally murdered for the sake of your ...amazingly ridiculous conspiracy theory?
    It's all staged in my opinion.
    The shooter recording the "shooting" is the typical way the American government covers things up. Since the camera conveniently fell and landed facing the shooter, it seemed kinda strange, almost fake.
    There is nothing I can say here that won't get me banned.
    You can see this with the moon landing. NASA shows us fake images of people on the moon, then later back up their claim with fake satellite images of the moon with "evidence" there.

    Ah, that explains everything. *shoos gently to the conspiracy forum* I know you want to see a conspiracy in everything, but for heaven's sake, have some respect for the dead even if you have no respect for anyone else's intelligence.


  • #339
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Oh come on, do some people really think this is fake? Are the two killed going to really be given false identities and shipped off to some faraway land and never be heard of again.

    And the woman being interviewed, she was in on it as well?

    Just think how absurd that sounds.


  • #340
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    briany wrote: »
    It wouldn't have mattered how many guns they had on them. They were caught totally unaware at point-blank range. Having a gun won't protect you against that. You would have to have a gun on you and be totally paranoid at all times, and is that any way to think and live?

    The line of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun will lead to school teachers packing, as has already happened in at least one school that I know of (Vice News on HBO report). That has a whole load of safety concerns of its own. What's to stop some teacher going nuts with that gun, for example?

    Well thats obviously a danger of the teacher going "nuts" but the gun fanatics cannot understand that.


  • #341
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    When a bullet is fired, it exits the barrel of the gun. The gun gets pushed backwards in the opposite direction. It usually lifts because of the user firmly holding the handle.
    When a blank is "fired", there is no bullet. It just blows up inside the chamber. There is force being released which causes the gun in jump in any direction.
    It's obvious that when you fire a weapon, it doesn't jump up, down, left, right, or in any other random direction. Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen. That was on the footage the news camera got.
    There is no point in attempting to look for bullets in the shooter's footage for the simple reason that the phone used to record it was suspiciously held at the same height as the gun and directly behind it. It would be a real shame if people got a close up, slow motion view of the bullets coming out.

    It's all staged in my opinion.
    The shooter recording the "shooting" is the typical way the American government covers things up. Since the camera conveniently fell and landed facing the shooter, it seemed kinda strange, almost fake.
    You can see this with the moon landing. NASA shows us fake images of people on the moon, then later back up their claim with fake satellite images of the moon with "evidence" there.

    A wild conspiracy theorist appears


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  • #342
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Oh dear god if I hear another 15 year-olds expert opinion from Call of duty on how weapons work... What are they expecting the reaction of a bullet being fired to look like? Do they even know how much energy is being exchanged in the gas expansion to accelerate the bullet. Are they expecting some kind of Robocop people flying around when they are shot ? It's getting depressing all the CT nuts coming out with their Expert opinion on how the videos are fake. You know like the unfortunate French police officer. What possible reason whould there be to Fake this ?


  • #343
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    I'm not trying to troll but...

    You lost me at 'but'.


  • #344
    Fallschirmjager
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭Fallschirmjager


    it seems it was, as far as the killer is concerned, part of a race war...

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-26/virgina-killer-sent-suicide-note-abc-says-massacre-race-war-reaction-charleston-shoo


  • #345
    the_monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    ...twaddle...


    Yeah Charles Darwin was a great physicist, why on earth would something like this be staged ??


  • #346
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?
    :pac:
    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen.
    :pac:

    Oh man, keep it coming.


  • #347
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    What's the story with the boyfriend going all over twitter only hours after her death and then he also did an interview showing off a private photo album of the two of them.


  • #348
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What's the story with the boyfriend going all over twitter only hours after her death and then he also did an interview showing off a private photo album of the two of them.

    People use Twitter to interact with the world, particularly people in media.


  • #349
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Just heard Hillary sh1ting on about "if only there was something we can do"...it's almost like they are pretending any gobsh1te can't just buy a gun. FFs he put a deposit down on the day of the charlestown shooting.


  • #350
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What's the story with the boyfriend going all over twitter only hours after her death and then he also did an interview showing off a private photo album of the two of them.

    He needs to steep out of the limelight I feel for his loss but it's a bit much the stuff going on.


  • #351
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Just heard Hillary sh1ting on about "if only there was something we can do"...it's almost like they are pretending any gobsh1te can't just buy a gun. FFs he put a deposit down on the day of the charlestown shooting.

    There is Make the price of bullets for public use 500 dollars per bullet.


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  • #352
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    are people actually shocked by this?


  • #353
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    are people actually shocked by this?
    not in the slightest....Hillary is though


  • #354
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    When a bullet is fired, it exits the barrel of the gun. The gun gets pushed backwards in the opposite direction. It usually lifts because of the user firmly holding the handle.
    When a blank is "fired", there is no bullet. It just blows up inside the chamber. There is force being released which causes the gun in jump in any direction.
    It's obvious that when you fire a weapon, it doesn't jump up, down, left, right, or in any other random direction. Even when the video is slowed down there is absolutely no sign of a bullet to be seen flying across the screen. That was on the footage the news camera got.
    There is no point in attempting to look for bullets in the shooter's footage for the simple reason that the phone used to record it was suspiciously held at the same height as the gun and directly behind it. It would be a real shame if people got a close up, slow motion view of the bullets coming out.

    It's all staged in my opinion.
    The shooter recording the "shooting" is the typical way the American government covers things up. Since the camera conveniently fell and landed facing the shooter, it seemed kinda strange, almost fake.
    You can see this with the moon landing. NASA shows us fake images of people on the moon, then later back up their claim with fake satellite images of the moon with "evidence" there.
    Sweet zombie jesus. Really? How the hell can anyone be this deluded? I'm all for being open minded, but not so open minded that all the thoughts fall out. This is why IMH the ability to vote in elections should require a written examination to filter out the nonsense.
    darkpagandeath wrote:
    Are they expecting some kind of Robocop people flying around when they are shot ?
    Exactly. Contrary to common belief and portrayal in media, being shot isn't instant death in most cases, nor do people get blown across the room and it's not "clean". That's all Hollywood. Unless the bullet(s) hit an immediately vital body part, like the brain, or spine, people don't fall down instantly. Even with a direct heart shot a person running will take a few more steps before dropping. If the adrenaline is up people can actually not notice being shot. I met a WW2 veteran years ago who was part of an assault against the Japanese and he didn't realise he'd taken a round through the shoulder/upper chest until the action was over. He said it wasn't initially painful either, more like an intense heat in the area. The pain came later.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #355
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Just heard Hillary sh1ting on about "if only there was something we can do"...it's almost like they are pretending any gobsh1te can't just buy a gun. FFs he put a deposit down on the day of the charlestown shooting.

    Thats America. The majority really seem to have no idea how these shootings keep happening.


  • #356
    davmol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭davmol


    Why are all the links to the shooting being removed?

    We are adults here(should be) so we really should eb able to make our own minds up.Its simple ,put a warning saying its gruesome and if people cant handle then don't watch.

    I cannot stand censorship in any shape or form.


  • #357
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,767 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    davmol wrote: »
    Why are all the links to the shooting being removed?

    We are adults here(should be) so we really should eb able to make our own minds up.Its simple ,put a warning saying its gruesome and if people cant handle then don't watch.

    I cannot stand censorship in any shape or form.

    It's all over youtube if you want to see it.


  • #358
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Fallschirmjager wrote: »
    it seems it was, as far as the killer is concerned, part of a race war...

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-26/virgina-killer-sent-suicide-note-abc-says-massacre-race-war-reaction-charleston-shoo

    Killer was black, gay and had racist motives.

    That will confuse a few people here and there.


  • #359
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    davmol wrote: »
    Why are all the links to the shooting being removed?

    We are adults here(should be) so we really should eb able to make our own minds up.Its simple ,put a warning saying its gruesome and if people cant handle then don't watch.

    I cannot stand censorship in any shape or form.
    MOD: Take it to the Feedback forum.


  • #360
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Dry Rain wrote: »
    Every action has an opposite reaction. Remember that law of physics put forward by Charles Darwin?

    ....

    MOD
    We are not here to speculate or to conjour theories or try to debunk events.Please take that discussion to the Conspiracy Theories forum.


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  • #361
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    If there was 'gun control' the guy wouldn't have gotten a gun.

    That's total crap. We don't allow drugs but people here in Ireland seem to have no problem getting drugs.

    If you ban guns, that doesn't get rid of them. It just makes them illegal.


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