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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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  • #5642
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Wang King wrote:
    That's better!!!

    It's about as realistic!


  • #5643
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    All this discussion about props and not one mention of Hayes.


  • #5644
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Teferi wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply laying out where the logic may be coming from.

    But my point is there's no logic to it, all it takes is one injury to Murray and we either have Madigan covering 9 against a serious opponent or call up Boss/Marmion and lose Murray for a possible crunch game later on when he would have been fit. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's a specialist position where we have to have 3 players who can realistically play it, not 2 plus 1 who has a few minutes emergency experience at Pro12 level.


  • #5645
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    kingtiger wrote: »
    Right lads, I have this from a very reliable source that has never steered me wrong

    Healy is out of the WC!!!

    Here is all the players cut from the provisional squad

    Healy / Tuohy / Conan

    Boss / Marmion / Gilroy / Reid / Felix Jones / Darcy / Cave

    only bringing two Scrum Halves (Madigan in as cover)

    Ok, assuming this is true, leaves us with 33 (18 forwards, 15 backs)
    That leaves,
    Props LH: McGrath, Kilcoyne
    Props TH: Ross, Moore, White
    Prop Utility: Bent
    Hookers: Best, Cronin, Strauss
    Locks: POC, Toner, Henderson, Ryan
    Back Row: Heaslip, SOB, POM, Henry, Murphy
    SH: Murray Reddan
    OH: Sexton, Jackson
    SH/OH/IC Utility: Madigan
    IC: Henshaw
    OC: Payne
    Centre/Wing Utility: Earls, McFadden (McF possibly only a wing now?)
    Wing: Fitz, Bowe, Trimble (all 3 have played centre, but believe they are now only seen as wings?)
    Wing/FB Utility: Zebo, D Kearney
    FB: R Kearney

    I'd say it is down to White or Moore,
    And Trimble if fit will go ahead of McFadden and D Kearney, D Kearney is probably ahead of McFadden.
    Also an outside chance that D Kearney could go ahead of Fitzgerald, and even McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald too.

    Personally I would take the 6 props and cut McFadden and Fitzgerald.

    So the backline would be:
    Starting: Murray, Sexton, Zebo, Henshaw, Payne, Trimble, R Kearney,
    Subs: Reddan, Madigan, Earls,
    Back-up: Jackson, Bowe, D Kearney

    If Trimble wasn't fit I'd take McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald.


  • #5646
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    McFadden ahead of fitz... I've heard it all now!

    ;)


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  • #5647
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Also an outside chance that D Kearney could go ahead of Fitzgerald, and even McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald too.

    Personally I would take the 6 props and cut McFadden and Fitzgerald.

    If Trimble wasn't fit I'd take McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald.

    Is there a fitness concern with Geraldsie ?

    If not, then the above is utter nonsense. Have you seen him play before ?


  • #5648
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Is there a fitness concern with Geraldsie ?

    If not, then the above is utter nonsense. Have you seen him play before ?

    Fitzgerald isn't that great and I like McFadden more. Also think D Kearney probably is a better winger.

    Sure if you think it's nonsense feel free to post your pick...


  • #5649
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,019 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Is there a fitness concern with Geraldsie ?

    If not, then the above is utter nonsense. Have you seen him play before ?

    I assume Geraldsie is Fitzgerald.

    I don't think he is any more a certainty for the squad than Zebo, Earls or Trimble (injury permitting obviously). It's very close between them and Fitzgerald could potentially miss out as could any of them.

    For all the criticism of Bowe in the Scotland game, Fitzgerald was just as disapointing.


  • #5650
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Fitzgerald isn't that great and I like McFadden more. Also think D Kearney probably is a better winger.

    Sure if you think it's nonsense feel free to post your pick...

    Well unless you are Joe, or Joe calls you and takes your advice, there is zero evidence that :

    "Also an outside chance that D Kearney could go ahead of Fitzgerald, and even McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald too.".

    whatever your own view of the players.


  • #5651
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    bilston wrote: »
    I assume Geraldsie is Fitzgerald.

    I don't think he is any more a certainty for the squad than Zebo, Earls or Trimble (injury permitting obviously). It's very close between them and Fitzgerald could potentially miss out as could any of them.

    For all the criticism of Bowe in the Scotland game, Fitzgerald was just as disapointing.

    I agree with that. However I don't think you read the post he's responding to.


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  • #5652
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    bilston wrote: »
    I assume Geraldsie is Fitzgerald.

    I don't think he is any more a certainty for the squad than Zebo, Earls or Trimble (injury permitting obviously). It's very close between them and Fitzgerald could potentially miss out as could any of them.

    For all the criticism of Bowe in the Scotland game, Fitzgerald was just as disapointing.

    I agree with you. But the idea that DK and Fadser are ahead of him. Nein.


  • #5653
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,019 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I agree with you. But the idea that DK and Fadser are ahead of him. Nein.

    Agree.


  • #5654
    Tox56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    smiley_face wrote: »
    Fitzgerald isn't that great and I like McFadden more. Also think D Kearney probably is a better winger.

    Sure if you think it's nonsense feel free to post your pick...

    DK is underrated, but so is Fitzgerald if you really think DK and McFadden are better players, Fitz was pretty frequently a one man backline for Leinster last season, imo he's the best winger or centre in Leinster by a comfortable distance


  • #5655
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Well unless you are Joe, or Joe calls you and takes your advice, there is zero evidence that :

    "Also an outside chance that D Kearney could go ahead of Fitzgerald, and even McFadden ahead of Fitzgerald too.".

    whatever your own view of the players.

    I thought it way clear that that was my opinion, not a statement of fact.
    The squad won't be announced til after the Wales game, so this is a forum for discussion, and posting my favoured selection is just my input to the discussion.
    I don't imagine everyone on here has a direct line to Joe Schmidt, but they are still entitled to share their opinion.

    I suppose if you want evidence, you could point out that McFadden started on the left wing in the match against Wales, and played better in that match IMO than what Fitzgerald showed against Scotland.
    Also McFadden has played well at numerous positions in the 2014 6 Nations, which gives me plenty of confidence in his ability. I haven't seen anything to suggest Fitzgerald is better than him.
    D Kearney can cover the back 3 positions, and has apparently been impressive in the training camp, whereas Fitzgerald wasn't able to do any contact for most of it.


  • #5656
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    smiley_face wrote: »
    I thought it way clear that that was my opinion, not a statement of fact.
    The squad won't be announced til after the Wales game, so this is a forum for discussion, and posting my favoured selection is just my input to the discussion.
    I don't imagine everyone on here has a direct line to Joe Schmidt, but they are still entitled to share their opinion.

    What specifically in your opinion makes Fergus McFadden a better winger than Fitzgerald, and why do you think all of the many coaches who've coached both have disagreed with you?


  • #5657
    Witheringeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Witheringeye


    If this is true I think it means Payne is cover at 12 with earls coming in at 13 if henshaw is injured. If Madigan is bench OH and emergency cover at 9 I just don't think it's conceivable that he's also our back up 12. It would be more unjoe than joe only bringing 2 scrum halves!


  • #5658
    total former
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    F**k it, we should just name 18 players and save the union a bit of cash. Benty, Jordi and Madigan can cover all eventualities so what's the point of the rest of them?


  • #5659
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Jaysus, what's with all the nicknames today? Fadser, Geraldsie, Marmy.... worse then bleedin' twatter handles! Cringe... :rolleyes:


  • #5660
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Jaysus, what's with all the nicknames today? Fadser, Geraldsie, Marmy.... worse then bleedin' twatter handles! Cringe... :rolleyes:

    Most of them come from Schmitty himself I gather.


  • #5661
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Jaysus, what's with all the nicknames today?

    Grown men with nicknames is all a bit silly if you ask me, Zzippy!


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  • #5662
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Buer wrote: »
    Grown men with nicknames is all a bit silly if you ask me, Zzippy!

    At least everyone can pronounce mine! ;)


  • #5663
    Buer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Zzippy wrote: »
    At least everyone can pronounce mine! ;)

    Hell, I can't pronounce mine.


  • #5664
    Wang King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭Wang King


    Buer wrote: »
    Hell, I can't pronounce mine.

    Ye're all bloody well overly familiar with mine!
    ;)


  • #5665
    porterbelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    Wingers that are better than Dave Kearney:

    Bowe
    Trimble
    Gilroy
    Matt Healy
    Fitzgerald
    Earls
    McFadden
    Zebo
    Poolman (now irish qualified)


  • #5666
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Completely random and irrelevant question, but one that's been niggling away for the last few weeks as I look at stuff to do with the World Cup. In almost all of our pool games, it's listed as Ireland v Canada, Ireland v Romania, etc. But the France game, almost all sites list France v Ireland. Is there any specific reasoning behind how teams are listed? Is it based on ranking at the time of the draw or what? Just curious.


  • #5667
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    porterbelly wrote: »
    Wingers that are better than Dave Kearney:

    Bowe
    Trimble
    Gilroy
    Matt Healy
    Fitzgerald
    Earls
    McFadden
    Zebo
    Poolman (now irish qualified)

    Interesting opinions but joe clearly doesn't agree with you.


  • #5668
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Completely random and irrelevant question, but one that's been niggling away for the last few weeks as I look at stuff to do with the World Cup. In almost all of our pool games, it's listed as Ireland v Canada, Ireland v Romania, etc. But the France game, almost all sites list France v Ireland. Is there any specific reasoning behind how teams are listed? Is it based on ranking at the time of the draw or what? Just curious.

    Perhaps France are the "home" team for that fixture..

    I assume that they have to make that distinction for each game in terms of who gets the home dressing room , who has to change shirts if there's a clash etc.

    Guess it doesn't mean much - In that case Ireland will be togging out in the same dressing room as they always do in Cardiff..


  • #5669
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,990 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    porterbelly wrote: »
    Wingers that are better than Dave Kearney:

    Bowe
    Trimble
    Gilroy
    Matt Healy
    Fitzgerald
    Earls
    McFadden
    Zebo
    Poolman (now irish qualified)

    Foods that are nicer than pasta

    Chips
    Steak
    Fajitas
    Roast chicken
    Fried onions
    Barbecued Ribs


  • #5670
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Foods that are nicer than pasta

    Chips
    Steak
    Fajitas
    Roast chicken
    Fried onions
    Barbecued Ribs

    Erroneous!!


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  • #5671
    Teferi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    Currently reading Sexton's book - it's all "Redser" this and "Cheiks" that. Not to mention Bossy, Rossy, Darce, Drico, Corbs, Gats, Nugget, Earlsy, Cuthby, Paulie, Riff, Gilly, Church, Hibbs, Hinesy, Shaggy, Berch, Jenks, Jenno, Kissy, "Andy" Conway, "Stevie" Ferris, "Deccie" Kidney,"

    A lot of the Irish lads books are like that. A bit annoying.


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