France train shooting: Three hurt and man arrested

Deep Six · 22-08-2015 01:11PM

These guys are absolute heroes. It's horrific to imagine what could have been the outcome if they weren't on board. I'm delighted too to see they gave this scumbag a good few belts of his own weapon, just a pity they didn't finish him off.

The rise in these lone wolf style attacks is scary though and I think it's completely justified at this stage to view all Muslims with suspicion. Might not be fair but only by doing this will potential attacks like this be foiled.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:18PM

Deep Six wrote: »

These guys are absolute heroes. It's horrific to imagine what could have been the outcome if they weren't on board. I'm delighted too to see they gave this scumbag a good few belts of his own weapon, just a pity they didn't finish him off.

The rise in these lone wolf style attacks is scary though and I think it's completely justified at this stage to view all Muslims with suspicion. Might not be fair but only by doing this will potential attacks like this be foiled.

I live in Dublin. I have only ever been attacked by, in fights with, almost mugged by, Dublin people. Do I go to the shops later with me back to the wall all the way down the road?

Old Jakey · 22-08-2015 01:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

I live in Dublin. I have only ever been attacked by, in fights with, almost mugged by, Dublin people. Do I go to the shops later with me back to the wall all the way down the road?

Were these homosexual muggers?

Deep Six · 22-08-2015 01:21PM

Nodin wrote: »

I live in Dublin. I have only ever been attacked by, in fights with, almost mugged by, Dublin people. Do I go to the shops later with me back to the wall all the way down the road?

There is a huge difference between getting punched or mugged and somebody out to commit an act of mass murder.

custard gannet · 22-08-2015 01:23PM

DeadHand wrote: »

What it all means is that attacks like this will occur with greater regularity into the future and off duty marines will not always be there to prevent yet another massacre of European innocents for the glory of Islam.

I am as far removed from politically correct as you could hope to be, yet I would view this with some skepticism. The truth is, there has been a constant flow of migrants from the Arab Sprig regions since what, 2011 or so. As to my knowledge every attempted, successful or foiled attack in Europe has been carried out or attempted by either EU citizens or foreign nationals residing in the EU on legitimate visas. The threat from European born/ raised militants either trained by Isis r influenced by them online is much greater than the threat of some of them coming over on the ships IMO. Even the figures on the amount of Europeans fighting with Isis seem exaggerated- if 5000 western Europeans really are prepared to die on a Syrian battlefield, why now, and why were so many of them unwilling to die in confrontations with authorities in their native countries before Syria kicked off. Western media has a habit of over hyping these type of threats. Around 9/11 or maybe even before it there were reports of literally hundreds of Afghanistan trained sleepers resident in the US and Canada. 15 years later and only a fraction of those arrested in the US and Canada since then underwent training in Afghanistan pre 9/11.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:23PM

Old Jakey wrote: »

Were these homosexual muggers?

Was a bit too busy to ask, tbh. Why?

Herb Powell · 22-08-2015 01:23PM

twinytwo wrote: »

No we dont?

Also its illegal entry not migration

It's all migration, illegal or otherwise. Migration is a politically neutral term.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:24PM

Deep Six wrote: »

There is a huge difference between getting punched or mugged and somebody out to commit an act of mass murder.

It's the 'tarring all with the same brush' element I was getting at.

Deep Six · 22-08-2015 01:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

It's the 'tarring all with the same brush' element I was getting at.

It's not tarring when all of these recent attacks share one common denominator - the religion of the people responsible. We can continue to be all PC and more of these attacks will continue, or we can wake up to the fact that this religion is completely incompatible with western values and societies and has followers who are willing to carry out mass murders.

custard gannet · 22-08-2015 01:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

I live in Dublin. I have only ever been attacked by, in fights with, almost mugged by, Dublin people. Do I go to the shops later with me back to the wall all the way down the road?

I'm guessing that the muggers who attack you were dressed in certain attire.

I'm guessing you would be more wary walking past a group of young men wearing similar attire in a dimly lit area than you would passing a group of young men wearing Abercrombie and Fitch in the middle of Dalkey.

Similarly I think it is more prudent for authorities to frisk burqa wearing women then it is to frisk 90 yer old European women.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:32PM

Deep Six wrote: »

It's not tarring when all of these recent attacks share one common denominator - the religion of the people responsible. We can continue to be all PC and more of these attacks will continue, or we can wake up to the fact that this religion is completely incompatible with western values and societies and has followers who are willing to carry out mass murders.

Which means that all Irish people should be treated as probable dissident republicans. It presumes that muslim=extremist, which, rather fortunately, is not the case.

FURET · 22-08-2015 01:33PM

conorh91 wrote: »

We have to accept an increased level of migration, and we have to invest in these countries of origin in order to stabilise the flow of migration. I genuinely do not see how there is a place for anyone who still wishes for splendid isolation.

Isolation from the dregs of north Africa and the Middle East would be very splendid indeed.
If we need non-European immigrants, we should absolutely discriminate. Asian immigrants from Vietnam, China, Thailand, and the Philippines would be optimal - they tend to be educated, very civic, and are model minorities wherever they immigrate.

Old Jakey · 22-08-2015 01:35PM

Nodin wrote: »

Which means that all Irish people should be treated as probable dissident republicans. It presumes that muslim=extremist, which, rather fortunately, is not the case.

I don't blame the Brits for looking at the Irish with suspicion, I would have done the same. It was the Irish carrying out the attacks not the Chinese! It's common bloody sense!

Old Jakey · 22-08-2015 01:38PM

FURET wrote: »

Isolation from the dregs of north Africa and the Middle East would be very splendid indeed.
If we need non-European immigrants, we should absolutely discriminate. Asian immigrants from Vietnam, China, Thailand, and the Philippines would be optimal - they tend to be educated, very civic, and are model minorities wherever they immigrate.

That is the only acceptable immigration policy. We should only allow educated skilled people in that can contribute to our economy. That and a small number of genuine refugees (no economic migrants).

Deep Six · 22-08-2015 01:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

Which means that all Irish people should be treated as probable dissident republicans. It presumes that muslim=extremist, which, rather fortunately, is not the case.

Not a logical comparison. The republican movement was in reaction to an occupation by a foreign force in their home country. Islam as a religion, dictates core tenets that instructs them to subvert, subdue and murder the "infidels" or non believers. It is not compatible with any modern society on any level.

custard gannet · 22-08-2015 01:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

Which means that all Irish people should be treated as probable dissident republicans. It presumes that muslim=extremist, which, rather fortunately, is not the case.

When you are in your early 20's and you approach the door of a nightclub that caters to an older crowd you will likely either be refused admission or given the 3rd degree on the door, on the basis that the behavior of you and your friends may not be in keeping with the maturity of the clientele.

When looking for property I, and pretty much anyone else who has tried to rent in their 20's, has been told that by landlords that they will call you back, because they are hoping that rather than rent a potential party house drug den to you and your friends they will have some older financially stable couple/ family to view later on and take the place for what they assume will be a more hassle free tenancy.

I've lost count of the amount of times at airports I've been pulled over for additional bag checking/ swabbing while young families and the elderly swan through without a bother.

In short, I've dealt with profiling and pre judging all my life. But because I'm not dark skinned or follow a non christian religion I don't have a lobby of limp wristed social justice warriors to Cry and bitch and scream wascist wascist on my behalf.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:47PM

Deep Six wrote: »

Not a logical comparison. The republican movement was in reaction to an occupation by a foreign force in their home country. Islam as a religion, dictates core tenets that instructs them to subvert, subdue and murder the "infidels" or non believers. It is not compatible with any modern society on any level.

There is more than one sect within Islam. Not all or even a large minority of muslims believe that interprtation. The biggest victims of Islamic extremism are other muslims considered the "wrong type of muslim" by the extremists.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 01:49PM

custard gannet wrote: »

...............

In short, I've dealt with profiling and pre judging all my life. But because I'm not dark skinned or follow a non christian religion I don't have a lobby of limp wristed social justice warriors to Cry and bitch and scream wascist wascist on my behalf.

Your bitterness is not my problem, and your resentment is best aimed at those who have wronged you, rather than minority groups.

What does "limp wristed" mean?

RichardCeann · 22-08-2015 01:59PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's all migration, illegal or otherwise. Migration is a politically neutral term.

We should not conflate the two. Legal non EU migrants played by the rules, met the criteria set out by the government, found a sponsor and came via a work permit in a field where there is a skills shortage or to fill a position where no EU citizens where available. EU member states will need hundreds of thousands of such people, every year, to plug gaps in the labour market.

Migrants whose first act is to illegally enter the country, not so much. If we needed them then they would qualify for a work permit.

It is unfair on the former to group them together with the latter.

custard gannet · 22-08-2015 02:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

Your bitterness is not my problem,

But I'm not bitter. If I was a bouncer, I would be concerned that letting in eight 20 year old lads might lead to me having to do more physical work that night than if I only let in the office party crowds. If I was a landlord I would rather rent to couples with a family than a gang of young lads who will be having 48 hour sessions at the weekend and will be more likely to be behind on the rent.

What does "limp wristed" mean?

The useful idiots who latch on to any cause detrimental to the well being of our society I would have thought.

RichardCeann · 22-08-2015 02:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

There is more than one sect within Islam. Not all or even a large minority of muslims believe that interprtation. The biggest victims of Islamic extremism are other .muslims considered the "wrong type of muslim" by the extremists.

'Just a few bad apples'. You will be on here saying the exact same thing after the next Islamic attack on Europeans. And the next......

Europe has a huge problem with Muslim extremists. Attempts at deflection won't alter this fact.

Nodin · 22-08-2015 02:06PM

custard gannet wrote: »

But I'm not bitter. .

Funny, because you sound it, very much so.

custard gannet wrote: »

The useful idiots who latch on to any cause detrimental to the well being of our society I would have thought.

I find no definition that matches that. Some would say that's what a "SJW" effectively does, but certainly its not an implication or meaning that's associated with "limp wristed"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/limp-wristed

Are the aforementioned "SJW" type all effeminate and weak?

Nodin · 22-08-2015 02:07PM

RichardCeann wrote: »

'Just a few bad apples'. You will be on here saying the exact same thing after the next Islamic attack on Europeans. And the next......

Europe has a huge problem with Muslim extremists. Attempts at deflection won't alter this fact.

And they are a minority. A rather small one. All the generalisations in the world won't alter that fact.

Old Jakey · 22-08-2015 02:10PM

Nodin wrote: »

And they are a minority. A rather small one. All the generalisations in the world won't alter that fact.

Do you ever wake up, hear the latest attack and say to yourself 'god damn it not again, I'm so sick of defending these people'?

RichardCeann · 22-08-2015 02:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

And they are a minority. A rather small one. All the generalisations in the world won't alter that fact.

Would you consider homophobes to be 'bad apples'? People who believe violence is acceptable if you insult their moon god? People who believe death is an appropriate punishment for apostasy?

If you do consider such people to be 'bad apples' then I will think that you will find opinion polls showing that they are a majority across this continent.

22-08-2015 02:24PM

I have worked and dealt with a lot of Muslims, from various parts of the globe and have never met a bad one. They were all unbelievably friendly people. I often wonder whether those that spit vitriol at the have actually ever met one. You hear more news stories about black people killing people than you do about Muslims and yet you wouldn't hear sane people saying, "all black people are killers, we should wipe them out". And yet you hear this about Muslims more often than not.

Funny that.

Kerry542 · 22-08-2015 02:46PM

I think you will see more and more of these attacks as more and more muslim migrants come to europe. I think these people are very frustrated when they come to europe and dont get what they want. Its crazy to keep taking these people in

Son Of A Vidic · 22-08-2015 03:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have worked and dealt with a lot of Muslims, from various parts of the globe and have never met a bad one. They were all unbelievably friendly people. I often wonder whether those that spit vitriol at the have actually ever met one. You hear more news stories about black people killing people than you do about Muslims and yet you wouldn't hear sane people saying, "all black people are killers, we should wipe them out". And yet you hear this about Muslims more often than not.

Funny that.

It's not really funny at all boney, you're just normal like any other rationale, intelligent, tolerant and broad minded person. Those who subscribe to exaggerated fear mongering and ignorance can't relate to this and they're always the ones that shout the loudest. But like any tantrum throwing child, it's always best to ignore them.

RichardCeann · 22-08-2015 03:05PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

It's not really funny at all boney, you're just normal like any other rationale, intelligent, tolerant and broad minded person. Those who subscribe to exaggerated fear mongering and ignorance can't relate to this and they're always the ones that shout the loudest. But like any tantrum throwing child, it's always best to ignore them.

Yes, yes. You are such an enlightened soul. If you were a bar of chocolate, you would eat yourself. Muslim immigration into Europe is going swimmingly well, isn't it? It is not like they are overly represented in prison and the dole offices across the continent. It's not like up to ten thousand of them have joined ISIS. It is not like they are shooting up cartoonists for drawing their prophet. Or Jews on their way to a synagogue....

Anyone with serious concern about Islamic terrorism, continued Muslim immigration and what the future holds for us is obviously irrational, uneducated and intolerant. Sure didn't bogman meet a few in the sticks and weren't they grand lads altogether?

custard gannet · 22-08-2015 03:10PM

Nodin wrote: »

Are the aforementioned "SJW" type all effeminate and weak?

Given they laud the likes of Bruce Jenner as being heroic but would call the cop who shot a scumbag like Michael Brown a murderer, I think that one answers itself.

France train shooting: Three hurt and man arrested

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