Man batters dog to death.

conorh91 · 30-07-2015 08:54AM

Sobko wrote: »

And yet some on here are happy he wasn't jailed as he has a kid to look after.

Who said they were happy?

It's a well settled principle in Irish sentencing that in circumstances where a non-custodial sentence can be countenanced, family relationships are a mitigating factor.

If some renegade District Justice or a judge of the Circuit Court flagrantly rejects that principle, he will soon find himself before the High Court.

Judges at that level are more akin to public servants than members of the judiciary, especially judges of the District Court. Not only are they accountable to the higher courts, they are directly accountable to the Government, both of whom expect the District Court to cut its reliance on imprisonment. Legislative and policy developments like the Criminal Justice (Community Service Order) Amendment Act 2011 and the Community Return Scheme underscore this position.

In short, district judges are essentially civil servants who do not have the authority to do solo runs and reject well-established principles, e.g. prison in a last resort, and having a dependent family makes you less likely to end up there.

If you have a problem with that (and I share your concern) complain to the Government. Don't shoot the messenger.

jobless · 05-08-2015 08:28AM

another horrific animal cruelty case and the person escapes prison... this makes me feel sick

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/woman-whose-starved-dog-was-found-hanging-from-blinds-avoids-jail-31428706.html

percy212 · 05-08-2015 12:43PM

I am afraid to click on that link

Dave_The_Sheep · 05-08-2015 12:58PM

jobless wrote: »

another horrific animal cruelty case and the person escapes prison... this makes me feel sick

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/woman-whose-starved-dog-was-found-hanging-from-blinds-avoids-jail-31428706.html

No, that one was perfectly OK. She was banned from owning animals for 5 years. </sarcasm>

Is 5 years the maximum? If not, why on earth does this judge think that this person (and I use the term loosely) is going to learn their lesson after 5 years of not owning animals.

fancy pigeon · 05-08-2015 01:07PM

percy212 wrote: »

I am afraid to click on that link

You were right not to. I feel sick now

percy212 · 05-08-2015 01:13PM

I won't! I honestly don't know how these people are allowed to walk free. I also can't understand how they don't fear for their own safety. There are some mighty angry animal lovers reading newspapers today!

fancy pigeon wrote: »

You were right not to. I feel sick now

end of the road · 05-08-2015 01:52PM

percy212 wrote: »

I also can't understand how they don't fear for their own safety.

why should they. if any little piece of vermin does anything to them then the key should be thrown away on them also. one being violent because they rightly disagree with these horrific actions invalidates any argument the person disagreeing has.

ToddyDoody · 05-08-2015 05:19PM

I know him, nice guy. Bit of a temper.

Sapphire3 · 05-08-2015 05:26PM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

No, that one was perfectly OK. She was banned from owning animals for 5 years. </sarcasm>

Is 5 years the maximum? If not, why on earth does this judge think that this person (and I use the term loosely) is going to learn their lesson after 5 years of not owning animals.

The sicko should be banned for life, and made to clean up dog crap for 5 years on the streets-community service.

skerry · 05-08-2015 05:36PM

Shur there's no money to be made in jailing animal killing scumbags. Jailing someone for not paying they're TV licence though, now that strikes fear into the honest working taxpayer.

Animal welfare laws are an absolute joke in this country, makes me sick. To let someone like that walk from court and not even ban them from owning animals again is infuriating.

percy212 · 05-08-2015 10:33PM

I wish I could understand this sentence.

end of the road wrote: »

why should they. if any little piece of vermin does anything to them then the key should be thrown away on them also. one being violent because they rightly disagree with these horrific actions invalidates any argument the person disagreeing has.

The Dogs Bollix · 05-08-2015 11:01PM

An innocent little creature. How can someone look at them in their eyes while they are full of trust and love and these people do what they do.

I hate people.

frostyjacks · 05-08-2015 11:23PM

Defence barrister said, "the dog was trapped in the house when she (McLaverty) became pregnant and went to live with her mother."

Makes it sound like the dog was partly to blame, like it was too dumb to open a window. How someone could just lock a dog in a house and leave it to die a slow death is beyond me. Sick woman.

percy212 · 05-08-2015 11:31PM

How could a barrister even take her case. Disgusting.

JupiterKid · 06-08-2015 12:25AM

Sadly Ireland ranks pretty poorly when it comes to animal welfare and this is reflected in the very lenient sentences handed down to animal abusers by the courts.

kowloon · 06-08-2015 03:04AM

Ireland doesn't take animal cruelty seriously, we're a completely backwards nation in that regard. We need serious reform, I can't see there being much in the way of opposition to it, but it's not a sexy election issue so **** all gets done. That said, prison might not be the place for this guy, he needs to be kept out of the general population, but also helped.

06-08-2015 05:59AM

percy212 wrote: »

How could a barrister even take her case. Disgusting.

Jesus.

Wept.

How could a doctor treat her? How could anyone ever deal with her again? How could she not be shunned? How could people not throw stuff at her as she walks down the street?

Interesting, of course, in that her case was in NI. So for all those saying "they'd be jailed anywhere else, our legal system is a joke", well it suggests that other jurisdictions are not exactly throwing away the key either. Of course one might argue that they should all reconsider their punishments.

frostyjacks · 18-08-2015 07:34AM

Another disturbing story today about a gang of teens in Cork.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/teen-gang-tortured-pet-dog-then-slit-his-throat-31458544.html

It's barbaric, absolutely sick what they did to that dog. There's a cash reward out, but even if they're caught, they won't really be punished, especially if they're teens.

conorh91 · 18-08-2015 08:21AM

^^Just bear in mind there have been a spate of hoax/ clickbait stories of unbelievable cruelty which later turned out to be unbelievable because they were fake. The Journal has always been the offender in the past, but a few things about the above story don't seem right.

It sounds like a dog-fight, not an attack by teens with weapons, but dogfights aren't quite as sensational for maximised clickbait.

strandroad · 18-08-2015 08:27AM

conorh91 wrote: »

^^Just bear in mind there have been a spate of hoax/ clickbait stories of unbelievable cruelty which later turned out to be unbelievable because they were fake. The Journal has always been the offender in the past, but a few things about the above story don't seem right.

It sounds like a dog-fight, not an attack by teens with weapons, but dogfights aren't quite as sensational for maximised clickbait.

That dog was only missing for an hour or so and the rescue who tried to save him is a very reputable one. If they say it was a knife I'd believe them. Sadly it's not unheard of either, there was a puppy in Laois found with its throat slashed last year, it was saved though.

frostyjacks · 18-08-2015 08:49AM

conorh91 wrote: »

^^Just bear in mind there have been a spate of hoax/ clickbait stories of unbelievable cruelty which later turned out to be unbelievable because they were fake. The Journal has always been the offender in the past, but a few things about the above story don't seem right.

It sounds like a dog-fight, not an attack by teens with weapons, but dogfights aren't quite as sensational for maximised clickbait.

If they knifed it themselves, or gave it to a dog to rip to pieces, it's still barbaric.

jobless · 18-08-2015 09:18AM

until proper custodial sentences are given out it will continue.... if i had my way they'd be breaking rocks for a few years the animals

Roquentin · 18-08-2015 12:44PM

terrible.

Old Jakey · 18-08-2015 01:03PM

Honestly these people should get a bullet in the back of the head.

petes · 18-08-2015 01:45PM

12 previous and still doesn't get jail time. Fcuking ridiculous.

conorh91 · 18-08-2015 01:57PM

mhge wrote: »

That dog was only missing for an hour or so and the rescue who tried to save him is a very reputable one. If they say it was a knife

Which charity? All the previous fake/ clickbait stories have involved local centres of the ISPCA.

It's a shame that clickbait tabloids like the Journal make people skeptical, but the fact is there is a much simpler explanation for this: dog fighting, maybe organised, maybe not.

Although dog-fighting is no less violent, it doesn't generate clicks.

strandroad · 18-08-2015 09:30PM

conorh91 wrote: »

Which charity? All the previous fake/ clickbait stories have involved local centres of the ISPCA.

It's a shame that clickbait tabloids like the Journal make people skeptical, but the fact is there is a much simpler explanation for this: dog fighting, maybe organised, maybe not.

Although dog-fighting is no less violent, it doesn't generate clicks.

Cork DAWG (Dog Action Welfare Group). The puppy with his throat slashed was rescued by Cara Rescue Dogs back then. DAWG saved a dog beaten on the head and tied down in a ditch just a week or two ago too. No need to fake anything sadly.

Which stories turned out to be fake?

conorh91 · 18-08-2015 09:55PM

mhge wrote: »

Cork DAWG (Dog Action Welfare Group). The puppy with his throat slashed was rescued by Cara Rescue Dogs back then. DAWG saved a dog beaten on the head and tied down in a ditch just a week or two ago too. No need to fake anything sadly.

Which stories turned out to be fake?

There was a case of a horse being set alight in Tallaght around 2013. First reported as burned to death (The Journal, of course), then reported as basically a weakly-executed cremation.

Then there was a dog the Journal reported as burned to death in Kildare (last year?).
Nope. Predictably, the kildare SPCA later said The Journal misreported it again.

Sadly, the people most willing to take advantage of these kinds of stories are clickbait online newspapers like the Indo and the Journal.

I suspect this dog was involved in a dog-fight, organised or not. As is clear from victims' families in cases of crimes against humans, you do not rely on everything the family tell you as sacrosanct. But newspapers will. Click, click.

frostyjacks · 18-08-2015 10:29PM

conorh91 wrote: »

I suspect this dog was involved in a dog-fight, organised or not. As is clear from victims' families in cases of crimes against humans, you do not rely on everything the family tell you as sacrosanct. But newspapers will. Click, click.

What makes you suspicious? It sure didn't look like a fighting dog.

strandroad · 18-08-2015 11:03PM

conorh91 wrote: »

There was a case of a horse being set alight in Tallaght around 2013. First reported as burned to death (The Journal, of course), then reported as basically a weakly-executed cremation.

Then there was a dog the Journal reported as burned to death in Kildare (last year?).
Nope. Predictably, the kildare SPCA later said The Journal misreported it again.

Sadly, the people most willing to take advantage of these kinds of stories are clickbait online newspapers like the Indo and the Journal.

I suspect this dog was involved in a dog-fight, organised or not. As is clear from victims' families in cases of crimes against humans, you do not rely on everything the family tell you as sacrosanct. But newspapers will. Click, click.

Eh your view is actually somewhat optimistic. I've seen enough of stories reported only locally or directly on social media to see that such things are happening on a daily basis and most of them never make it to major outlets. Perhaps they can get twisted if they do - but really with the vast majority no one cares to broadcast them, it's so common. Follow DAWG mentioned here, or any other reputable rescue, and you'll see what they face every week.

Man batters dog to death.

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