Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

jm08 · 18-08-2015 03:15PM

awec wrote: »

Our best wing partnership is Trimble on the left and Bowe on the right IMO. If Trimble manages fitness that is what I suspect we'll be hoping to field for the big games.

Schmit has never played Trimble on the left wing. Think it would also be dodgy to start two wingers with questionable fitness.

awec · 18-08-2015 03:18PM

jm08 wrote: »

Schmit has never played Trimble on the left wing. Think it would also be dodgy to start two wingers with questionable fitness.

Schmidt has never had Bowe and Trimble fit at the same time before (as far as I remember). Open to correction on that though!

Witheringeye · 18-08-2015 03:20PM

awec wrote: »

Schmidt has never had Bowe and Trimble fit at the same time before (as far as I remember). Open to correction on that though!

True but I think we would have seen Trimble at 11 vs wales if joe was leaning that way. Given that McFadden is normally 14 it's pretty strong evidence that Trimble is only seen as a right wing

jm08 · 18-08-2015 03:21PM

total former wrote: »

Not really; we went the entire 2014 6N with McFadden on the bench. Jones came in for the November 2014 internationals because there was quite literally no-one else available for back three cover, rather than for any pre-planned reason.

Jones started (and finished) a test v Argentina on the summer tour.

.ak · 18-08-2015 03:22PM

Actually, just cuz I'm bored in work, a XV of players from the squad playing in positions they've played in (at any stage) but probably shouldn't have...

15: D'Arcy
14: POM
13: Zebo
12: Rob Kearney
11: Reddan
10: Dave Kearney
09: Madigan
01: Furlong
02: ???
03: McGrath
04: ???
05: Conan?
06: Boss
07: Strauss
08: ???

irishbucsfan · 18-08-2015 03:22PM

I think Schmidt could well be looking at those left footed players for the 11 jersey. It's fascinating though, we'll probably be kept guessing right up until the Italy game at least!

total former · 18-08-2015 03:26PM

jm08 wrote: »

Jones started (and finished) a test v Argentina on the summer tour.

Indeed, again when there were no other options available.

Zzippy · 18-08-2015 03:31PM

.ak wrote: »

Actually, just cuz I'm bored in work, a XV of players from the squad playing in positions they've played in (at any stage) but probably shouldn't have...

15: D'Arcy
14: POM
13: Zebo
12: Rob Kearney
11: Reddan
10: Dave Kearney
09: Madigan
01: Furlong
02: SOB
03: McGrath
04: ???
05: Conan?
06: Boss
07: Strauss
08: ???

Think Seanie has thrown into lineouts a few times, does that count?

jm08 · 18-08-2015 03:32PM

awec wrote: »

Schmidt has never had Bowe and Trimble fit at the same time before (as far as I remember). Open to correction on that though!

He has spoken though about how he liked to have left sided players on the left side because they are able to kick the ball parellel to the touch lines.

He also mentioned during the 6Ns that he didn't want to put Luke Fitz on the right wing because he didn't want to end up with 3 leftsided players on the pitch (Zebo, Kearney & Luke).

jm08 · 18-08-2015 03:34PM

total former wrote: »

Indeed, again when there were no other options available.

He played one test, Kearney played the other one.

edit: Zebo was on the tour - started 2 tests. Trimble also started 2 tests on the right wing.

edit edit: and while I'm at it. Ferg Mcfadden subbed for Luke Marshall at 12 and started at 13 for the 2nd test.

sydthebeat · 18-08-2015 03:37PM

POM played as lock for munster in an uncontested scrum... does that count?

.ak · 18-08-2015 03:43PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Think Seanie has thrown into lineouts a few times, does that count?

Actually I think he has played hooker before, just not at senior level.

.ak · 18-08-2015 03:43PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

POM played as lock for munster in an uncontested scrum... does that count?

I prefer him on the wing.

total former · 18-08-2015 03:45PM

jm08 wrote: »

He played one test, Kearney played the other one.

edit: Zebo was on the tour - started 2 tests.

That's correct; however none of the Leinster players were considered for the first test, with very few exceptions so again, Jones in by default.

That's not having a go at Jones, before anyone accuses me of that, just a statement of fact that bringing Jones in wasn't part of some masterplan, just circumstance.

dub_skav · 18-08-2015 03:45PM

.ak wrote: »

I prefer him on the wing.

I think it's lonely 'round there

jm08 · 18-08-2015 04:01PM

total former wrote: »

That's correct; however none of the Leinster players were considered for the first test, with very few exceptions so again, Jones in by default.

That's not having a go at Jones, before anyone accuses me of that, just a statement of fact that bringing Jones in wasn't part of some masterplan, just circumstance.

Jack McGrath, Mike Ross, Jordi Murphy started the first test.
Devin Toner, Jamie Heaslip, Ian Madigan and Fergus McFadden were on the bench - 7 Leinster players in the 23.

total former · 18-08-2015 04:05PM

jm08 wrote: »

Jack McGrath, Mike Ross, Jordi Murphy started the first test.
Devin Toner, Jamie Heaslip, Ian Madigan and Fergus McFadden were on the bench - 7 Leinster players in the 23.

Indeed.

None of that contradicts my point, however.

jm08 · 18-08-2015 04:06PM

total former wrote: »

Indeed.

None of that contradicts my point, however.

It does. Fergus McFadden could have played on the wing with Zebo at fullback.

Quint2010 · 18-08-2015 04:07PM

.ak wrote: »

Actually, just cuz I'm bored in work, a XV of players from the squad playing in positions they've played in (at any stage) but probably shouldn't have...

15: D'Arcy
14: POM
13: Zebo
12: Rob Kearney
11: Reddan
10: Dave Kearney
09: Madigan
01: Furlong
02: ???
03: McGrath
04: ???
05: Conan?
06: Boss
07: Strauss
08: ???

Jordi Murphy captained 'Rock to the senior cup in '09 playing second row so there's your no.4. (Mind you he was pretty good too so not sure it fits your narrative)

Witheringeye · 18-08-2015 04:12PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Jordi Murphy captained 'Rock to the senior cup in '09 playing second row so there's your no.4. (Mind you he was pretty good too so not sure it fits your narrative)

Actually a little off topic but what do people think is jordi's best position?
I'd say 8 but it's not a large drop by any means when he's at 6/7

18-08-2015 04:12PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Jordi Murphy captained 'Rock to the senior cup in '09 playing second row so there's your no.4. (Mind you he was pretty good too so not sure it fits your narrative)

Also not sure it's true!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/terenure-and-blackrock-battle-for-leinster-bragging-rights-86941.html

Played at 8

Quint2010 · 18-08-2015 04:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also not sure it's true!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/terenure-and-blackrock-battle-for-leinster-bragging-rights-86941.html

Played at 8

That article lists Murphy as a second row? He definitely played second row in the final anyway

bilston · 18-08-2015 04:20PM

.ak wrote: »

Actually, just cuz I'm bored in work, a XV of players from the squad playing in positions they've played in (at any stage) but probably shouldn't have...

15: D'Arcy
14: POM
13: Zebo
12: Rob Kearney
11: Reddan
10: Dave Kearney
09: Madigan
01: Furlong
02: ???
03: McGrath
04: ???
05: Conan?
06: Boss
07: Strauss
08: ???

I have a weird memory of Tommy packing down at No.8 last season for Ulster. It may only have been for one scrum, but I'm pretty sure it happened...or maybe I was dreaming...

18-08-2015 04:21PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

That article lists Murphy as a second row? He definitely played second row in the final anyway

Ha, pretty dense of me to read that so badly!

I was there, I thought I remembered otherwise. It appears that the beers worked well.

total former · 18-08-2015 04:25PM

jm08 wrote: »

It does. Fergus McFadden could have played on the wing with Zebo at fullback.

McFadden started the Rabo final a week earlier so was not considered for the first test. McGrath and Murphy didn't, so they were picked.

But that's not really the point.

connachta · 18-08-2015 04:26PM

Connacht will have Nathan White and Kieran Marmion available for Friday night's pre-season clash with Munster in Thomond Park. #interpro

18-08-2015 04:33PM

connachta wrote: »

"Connacht will have Nathan White and Kieran Marmion available for Friday night's pre-season clash with Munster in Thomond Park. #interpro"

Not to read too much into it but it looks from that like Marmion might be ahead of Murray at this stage...?

The Pheasant2 · 18-08-2015 04:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also not sure it's true!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/terenure-and-blackrock-battle-for-leinster-bragging-rights-86941.html

Played at 8

Quint is vindicated by the line of a Blackrock chant "Jordi Murphy, Blackrock's number 5"

I was at every match that year and can confirm he was indeed Blackrock's number 5 :P

Tox56 · 18-08-2015 04:39PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

POM played as lock for munster in an uncontested scrum... does that count?

Pretty sure he played lock in a contested scrum against Wales in 2014 and we destroyed them

The Pheasant2 · 18-08-2015 04:42PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Pretty sure he played lock in a contested scrum against Wales in 2014 and we destroyed them

Yeah he definitely did - ah what an enjoyable match that was

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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