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"Doing arts not a waste of your points"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ah yes, the annual AH circlejerk to the effect that the only important thing about education is becoming qualified for a corporate job. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    do whatever the **** you want and **** what people have to say about it. if you're digging ditches then strive to be the best ditch digger you can be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    smash wrote: »
    Arts degrees graduates: Jack of all trades, masters of none!

    Jack of all trades master of none, but a jack of all trades is oft times more useful than a master of one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    When I did my Leaving cert I wanted to study English and philosophy. I changed my mind when my Father & Grandfather convinced me that would be "a load of sh1te".

    I wanted to do something that would sound impressive so I went for Law in UCD, Law in TCD, Biz&Legal in UCD, that's all I put on the CAO form. Had to be Dublin as I didn't want to be too far away from the love of my life as then was. I was shy by 10 points for the first 2 so did the 3rd instead.

    I finished that degree 9 years after I started it, lost all interest along the way. Although I will say it has opened doors for me and I now work in hedge funds in an area I would not have gotten into without the piece of paper.

    Would I have stuck out the Arts degree and if so where would I be now, who knows....The love of my life dumped me a week into first year btw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    anna080 wrote: »
    I don't think that's a fair thing to say. Those subjects are there as an option for a reason, and if they are of interest to someone then why shouldn't they study them?

    I was purely talking from an employment stand point
    At the end of the day your degree is what you make it, whatever degree that may be.

    No, Not really, not at all.
    That's the same for most courses. Most require additional qualification or placement afterwards. Computer Science is a bit of an exception in that regard (having said that, it's a buyers market for IT recruiters).

    It's MORE the case for Arts.

    Tell me 1 subject choice in Arts that a 4 year degree would immediately qualify you to work in a PAYE career without doing further education?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    If you have an arts degree you can get a job working
    for a college teaching other people to get arts degrees.
    It's a bit like a virus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Do you course that interests you personally, not the one that vested interests want you to take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Do science and try and learn how your toilet flushings are purified into drinking water for you, for instance. (Hint: 'magic' is not the answer)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭InitiumNovum


    It really depends on what type of arts degree you do. Like if it's a BA in Economics, Psychology or Languages it's probably worth more than a BA in Art History or Greece & Roman Studies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Cormac... wrote: »
    Tell me 1 subject choice in Arts that a 4 year degree would immediately qualify you to work in a PAYE career without doing further education?

    For basic office PAYE, any arts degree will suffice. Wouldn't economics have one or two specific jobs open to it as well? What about a BA in Psychology? But I mean, for the most-part you'd have to specialise (post-degree) just like with Science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Mr Rhode Island Red


    A lot of people here seem to think that one's ultimate goal should be to get a 9-5 desk job in an office.

    Fair enough like, but many have a different direction they want to go in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Do you course that interests you personally, not the one that vested interests want you to take.
    Society doesn't need students who study whatever interests them, it needs people who will study subjects that will generate money. Thats how a society sustains itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Whether any degree is a waste of points or important should only matter to one person and that's the person making the choice. Doing a medicine degree would have been a waste of points for me as I have zero interest in becoming a doctor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    I have a BA in English and philosophy and currently doing a masters in publishing.

    I loved my college years,was genuinely interested in the majority of my classes and they really opened my mind on a lot of topics. My housemate did commerce and found the majority of his lectures boring and just a lot of rote learning.

    I think everyone should do some philosophy, my modules in environmental ethics and cultural ethics really impacted upon me and changed the dynamic of my thinking. My philosophy lecturers were so intelligent,their minds just work in amazing ways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Doing a medicine degree would have been a waste of points for me as I have zero interest in becoming a doctor.
    I don't have much interest in programming but that's what I'm doing my degree in because it'll guarantee me security. I can study what I like in my own time. We all have to make sacrifices. Hell, something like 24% of kids aged 18-25 are NEET's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Interesting! I did an Arts degree in Psychology and Philosophy with the intention of continuing my education over the coming years in order to become a Clinical Psychologist. Got bored with Psychology mid way through a post grad in London and moved over to the Corporate world.

    I didn't find the transition difficult and I do excellent for myself now. A lot of the people I work with have varying backgrounds, some of them specialist in areas such as accounting, economics, law and others with general arts background or even science. Your university background isn't really a determinant on how well you do in the corporate world, its all about you as a person, your drive, charisma, intelligence etc.

    I know plenty of Oxford/Cambridge technical graduates who struggle where people with a far less prestigious and general education have flown up the ranks. I can see how an arts education gives you an edge in some ways as in my experience arts graduates can come across as more cultured/educated than individuals who specialize heavily into a technical degree. Some of those softer skills you learn doing arts can be a big help when navigating a political environment where often success is determined by who you know, how well you fit in and how you are perceived rather than what you know. Maybe all those extra hours Arts Grads can devote to socializing isn't necessarily a bad thing after all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭nervous_twitch


    I don't have much interest in programming but that's what I'm doing my degree in because it'll guarantee me security. I can study what I like in my own time. We all have to make sacrifices. Hell, something like 24% of kids aged 18-25 are NEET's.

    And the sacrifice I've made is financial security for living a life I actually enjoy. I earn my keep but I'm not wasting the little amount of time I have doing something insipid. Takes all types to make the world spin.


  • Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I actually want to share a small story from a book I've read.

    The author was talking about a lecture he was giving to his class, where he gave each student a piece of paper. He told them to write down the 10 things they were planning to buy now or in the future, and the 10 degrees which seemed the most appealing to them.

    On the list of items, the only things the students were writing down were items such as:
    Video Games, TV, Phone, Mp3 Player, Computer, Car, petrol, DVD, clothes etc.

    But on the list of degrees, he was getting this list:
    Sociology, Journalism, Accounting, Psychology, Communications, Political Science, music, engineering, history, education

    Basically, the students wanted all these items, but asides from a few people, weren't willing to study what was needed to create these things.


    Engineering, music, communications, accounting, psychology - sounds like a decent set of skills for a music sharing tech or app doesn't it?

    I hire people (not many but some) in the marketing space. As a rule I don't really care what someone graduated in, and I would be actively suspicious of anyone who studied marketing first up - it's a bull**** subject.

    I would much, MUCH prefer psychology or history, and English or philosophy would be fine too, you are way more likely to get a good writer out of those courses and a lot of business is reading, writing, filtering, processing and persuading - precisely what you get good at studying something like history.

    The practicalities of the job you learn on the job.

    I think companies that don't hire arts graduates are missing out. Unfortunately that is very much my own opinion, I am aware that plenty out there don't feel the same way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    I don't have much interest in programming but that's what I'm doing my degree in because it'll guarantee me security. I can study what I like in my own time. We all have to make sacrifices. Hell, something like 24% of kids aged 18-25 are NEET's.

    I understand your logic but I could never do that,it was wonderful being in college and genuinely loving my course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭MagicHumanDoll


    There is far more to life than the black and white some of you are talking about "Science vs Arts".

    It's actually quite pathetic and petty some of the comments. I'm currently studying one of the MANY grey area degrees; Architecture. We learn practical skills like IT, Presentation, Negotiation, critical thinking etc. But we also learn about the history of Art, Architecture itself as well as political movements that influenced these, throw in environmental studies that we do and viola, grey area.

    Practical degrees like IT, Science etc are excellent. Very much needed, jobs aplenty it seems and in general they seem to be decent degrees. But what's wrong with studying something a bit more arty? Why not a collection of both?

    Sure, some people are perfectly happy living in Ireland all their lives, working in a stable job that requires very little adaption/extra learning, but there's plenty others who want to explore the world, learn about cultures and do things a little differently.
    Not saying someone who studied IT can't do any of that, far from it. That's why you have to acknowledge there's a grey area, not just black and white!!

    Science, Arts and everything in between.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    A lot of people here seem to think that one's ultimate goal should be to get a 9-5 desk job in an office.

    Fair enough like, but many have a different direction they want to go in.

    Ultimate goal? No. But for the vast majority of people they need a 9-5 job if they are going to live. The other option is have the state provide for you but even then payments like JSA are for people seeking one of those 9-5 jobs.

    You need to do something to get money to live on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭fatknacker


    Does anyone who has an Arts degree actually regret having it, or regret their course choice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Ah the old arts vs science debate, I'm sure we won't hear any cliched (programmed?) responses or self important harumphing.

    Big Mac meal please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    A good English degree is a great way into a lot of tech companies, have you ever asked a web developer to write content? Just don't, some of them have very poor written communication skills.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Lux23 wrote: »
    A good English degree is a great way into a lot of tech companies, have you ever asked a web developer to write content? Just don't, some of them have very poor written communication skills.

    This sentence (sentences?) is very poorly constructed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭Merrion


    I don't have much interest in programming but that's what I'm doing my degree in because it'll guarantee me security.

    It really won't. Programming is one of the least "university qualification" driven disciplines there is (it's all about years of commercial experience) and if it doesn't interest you then you won't stick at it long enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Society doesn't need students who study whatever interests them, it needs people who will study subjects that will generate money. Thats how a society sustains itself.

    That's a horrible thing to say, students are not your economic punching bag. They should study what interests then and foster a love of learning. Screw the money generating part, varied courses create an intelligent, cultural, and blossoming society.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    I always find it funny people bashing arts degrees and 'artsy' types in general and then sit down to their nightly Game Of Thrones marathons


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