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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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  • #5012
    thomond2006
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    McGrath, Best, Moore, POC, Henderson, POM, Henry, Heaslip;
    Murray, Sexton, Fitzgerald, Henshaw, Earls, D Kearney, R Kearney

    Strauss, Bent, Furlong, Ryan, SOB, Marmion, Jackson, Payne

    A possible team for Wales.


  • #5013
    Wang King
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    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?


  • #5014
    smiley_face
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    McGrath, Best, Moore, POC, Henderson, POM, Henry, Heaslip;
    Murray, Sexton, Fitzgerald, Henshaw, Earls, D Kearney, R Kearney

    Strauss, Bent, Furlong, Ryan, SOB, Marmion, Jackson, Payne

    A possible team for Wales.

    I noticed you have Dave Kearney on the right wing,
    Is he right legged?
    I thought he was left legged, but could kick off his right also, "ambi-legs-trous" I call it, is that right?
    After all the commentary that he's going well in training I'd definitely like to see him start, in any of the back 3 positions, but with Trimble having a bruised bone in his foot he may not make it back before the Wales match, and Bowe was not really firing against Scotland, right wing could be available if Kearney puts in a good performance. Pity we haven't seen Gilroy yet, as he was great last season for Ulster.
    If I had to choose I'd start the back 3 with Dave Kearney no.11, Craig Gilroy no. 14, and Rob Kearney no. 15, with McFadden on the bench.


  • #5015
    Podge_irl
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Rodney Ah You plays both sides.
    Tom Court is playing for London Irish, 2 more years left on his contract, but I'd imagine he is not up to it anymore.
    Somebody mentioned that McGrath has played tighthead one or twice for Leinster.
    Anybody else?

    Possible they'd take another loosehead and have the next available tighthead on standby in case of injury.
    Buckley or Maybe Cronin, with Moore or White on standby (whichever is not already selected obviously).

    Neither Ah You or Court have a chance of going. McGrath absolutely cannot cover the tighthead side - he was mangled there for Leinster in one game and no longer covers it for them.

    White has played loosehead in the past I believe, though I don't know when and how often. Would definitely be in with a shot.


  • #5016
    smiley_face
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    White has played loosehead in the past I believe, though I don't know when and how often. Would definitely be in with a shot.

    If that's true then that would be it alright.
    Probably have Ross 1st choice and Moore or White (whichever is better) as 2nd choice, plus Bent to cover both sides.
    If any of the 3 that will be selected gets injured then whichever doesn't get selected between Moore and White would be on standby, or possibly Furlong if he makes a quick recovery and Moore doesn't.


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  • #5017
    Buer
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?

    I suppose Gethin Jenkins if he's brought but he hasn't played tighthead for Wales in years.


  • #5018
    aimee1
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?

    do south africa have a hooker who can play tighthead?


  • #5019
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    aimee1 wrote: »
    do south africa have a hooker who can play tighthead?

    They have two du Plessis brothers, one is tighthead and the other is hooker.
    John Smit played hooker before moving to tighthead prop.
    Trevor Nyakane can play both sides.


  • #5020
    Buer
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    do south africa have a hooker who can play tighthead?

    Assume you might be thinking of the Du Plessis brothers? Bismarck is a hooker, Jannie is a tighthead. Bismarck has never played prop.

    Don't think any of the hookers have packed down at prop unless it was uncontested.


  • #5021
    thomond2006
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    John Smit played hooker and prop.


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  • #5022
    total former
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    Rodney Ah You, Tom Court?

    Lads, I think you're having your legs pulled.


  • #5023
    b.gud
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    total former wrote: »
    Rodney Ah You, Tom Court?

    Lads, I think you're having your legs pulled.

    If Tom got called up I get the impression that he'd say no thank you. Rodney would say yes in a heartbeat but it ain't gonna happen. Also while he can play both sides I can't remember him playing anything other than tighthead in quite a while


  • #5024
    penybont exile
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?
    Paul James might be asked to do this ........


  • #5025
    Wang King
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    So Bent will travel because he can cover both sides, even though he's 3rd or 4th choice at Leinster? It's possible I suppose, but would have thought it better to have him on standby in case of injury


  • #5026
    Podge_irl
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    Wang King wrote: »
    So Bent will travel because he can cover both sides, even though he's 3rd or 4th choice at Leinster? It's possible I suppose, but would have thought it better to have him on standby in case of injury

    If we only bring 5 props than he basically has to travel. Otherwise either Ross/Moore or Healy/McGrath will be in every matchday squad.


  • #5027
    salmocab
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    Wang King wrote: »
    So Bent will travel because he can cover both sides, even though he's 3rd or 4th choice at Leinster? It's possible I suppose, but would have thought it better to have him on standby in case of injury

    Nah if your using someone on standby then you bring out a direct replacement for the injured player position wise but having someone who can cover either side means if say healey or Ross picks up a small knock that means maybe a week off then there is no need to replace them Bent just steps up to the Bench where if the 5th prop was only a LH and we lost Ross then we are down to 1 TH in the 23. There are certainly better props than Bent but its the versatility that may see him in the 31.


  • #5028
    total former
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    Wang King wrote: »
    So Bent will travel because he can cover both sides, even though he's 3rd or 4th choice at Leinster?

    Yes.


  • #5029
    Wang King
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    If we only bring 5 props than he basically has to travel. Otherwise either Ross/Moore or Healy/McGrath will be in every matchday squad.

    Won't that be the same with the NZ, Aus, SA, English squads? It might happen, but there isn't any real benefit, I'm sure McGrath & Moore would much rather play against Canada and get the game time under their belts rather than sit around. Maybe I'm wrong.


  • #5030
    salmocab
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Won't that be the same with the NZ, Aus, SA, English squads? It might happen, but there isn't any real benefit, I'm sure McGrath & Moore would much rather play against Canada and get the game time under their belts rather than sit around. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Id say its likely that the 4 props will play every minute between them barring injury. If someone gets a serious injury and has to go home then the replacement will in all likelihood leap frog Bent into the 23.
    Although with Healeys injury he may be left out of an early game.


  • #5031
    Wang King
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    salmocab wrote: »
    Id say its likely that the 4 props will play every minute between them barring injury. If someone gets a serious injury and has to go home then the replacement will in all likelihood leap frog Bent into the 23.

    That would be my guess too, its going to be interesting to see what happens.


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  • #5032
    thomond2006
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    6 props leaves little room for the backs.

    My squad as it stands (assuming Healy and Trimble are injured):

    17:
    Best, Cronin, Strauss,
    McGrath, Kilcoyne
    Ross, Moore, Bent
    POC, Toner, Henderson, D Ryan
    POM, SOB, Henry, Murphy
    Heaslip

    14:
    Murray, Reddan, Marmion
    Sexton, Jackson, Madigan
    Henshaw, Cave, Payne, Earls
    Zebo, Bowe*, Fitzgerald
    Kearney,

    *Needs to show some form!


  • #5033
    smiley_face
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?

    South Africa have:
    Trevor Nyakane - both sides
    Coenie Oosthuizen - both sides

    England have:
    Luke Cowan-Dickie - hooker and prop,
    Rob Webber - hooker and back row

    Fiji have:
    Peni Ravai Kovekalou - hooker and prop, centre, wing

    Wales have:
    Gethin Jenkins - both sides

    Japan have:
    Shota Horie - hooker and back row

    Samoa have:
    Logovi'i Mulipola - both sides

    Scotland have:
    Fraser Brown - hooker and back row
    Stuart McInally - hooker and back row

    USA have:
    Phillip Thiel - hooker and prop
    Eric Fry - both sides

    Argentina have:
    Agustín Creevy - hooker and back row

    Georgia have:
    Zurab Zhvania - prop and hooker

    Namibia have:
    Torsten van Jaarsveld - hooker and back row

    Canada have:
    Aaron Carpenter - hooker and back row

    France have:
    Rabah Slimani - both sides

    Italy have:
    Davide Giazzon - hooker and prop
    Michele Rizzo - hooker and prop

    Romania have:
    Otar Turashvili - hooker and prop

    New Zealand have:
    Charlie Faumuina - both sides

    Couldn't find anyone from Australia.

    Don't know about Tonga.


  • #5034
    aimee1
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Couldn't find anyone from Australia.

    quade cooper

    plays for australia one week, plays for the opposition the next


  • #5035
    Wang King
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    Talk about irrelevant :rolleyes:
    Edit, in ref to 2 posts up


  • #5036
    smiley_face
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?
    Wang King wrote: »
    Talk about irrelevant :rolleyes:
    Edit, in ref to 2 posts up

    Didn't you ask the question?
    What's irrelevant about the answer?


  • #5037
    Wang King
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    Wang King wrote: »
    Do any of the other top teams have a player covering both sides of the scrum?[/quote



    Didn't you ask the question?
    What's irrelevant about the answer?

    I asked about the major nations , and who amongst that lot are going to the WC?


  • #5038
    smiley_face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭smiley_face


    Wang King wrote: »
    I asked about the major nations , and who amongst that lot are going to the WC?
    All of them including:
    South Africa, New Zealand, England, Wales, France, Italy, Argentina, Samoa ...


  • #5039
    Wang King
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    smiley_face wrote: »
    All of them including:
    South Africa, New Zealand, England, Wales, France, Italy, Argentina, Samoa ...

    Have never seen Faumuina play loosehead for NZ?
    And again, not similar at all. What top tier nation is bringing a 3 or 4 th choice provincial back up to the world cup ?


  • #5040
    Tox56
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Have never seen Faumuina play loosehead for NZ?
    And again, not similar at all. What top tier nation is bringing a 3 or 4 th choice provincial back up to the world cup ?

    Well to be fair hes 3rd choice behind Ireland's first two choices at both loosehead and tighthead


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  • #5041
    total former
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Have never seen Faumuina play loosehead for NZ?
    And again, not similar at all. What top tier nation is bringing a 3 or 4 th choice provincial back up to the world cup ?

    Being 3rd choice at Leinster just means he's not as good as Healy, McGrath, Moore or Ross; which none of the other props are anyway.

    The guy started Heineken cup pool games on both sides this season and did well every time.

    I guess people are just never going to get over his introduction or judge him on his merits.


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