Your irish 23 for the 2019 rugby world cup

bessiem8 · 12-08-2015 10:29pm

Fwiw Brewer has looked pretty good for Terenure when he has been healthy. That's been rare enough the past two seasons.

Witheringeye · 12-08-2015 10:53pm

I put Peter Robb in my team as a total curveball and in the hope it might spark some discussion but went totally unnoticed. I reckon it's unlikely he'll make the breakthrough as he's struggling to get game time with Connacht eagles atm.

Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on the young lad? He's an absolute mutant of a human being. Has all kind of records in the Leinster gym from what I've heard. Haven't actually seen enough of him to know whether he can play ball or if he's just a lump of meat

bessiem8 · 12-08-2015 11:02pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

I put Peter Robb in my team as a total curveball and in the hope it might spark some discussion but went totally unnoticed. I reckon it's unlikely he'll make the breakthrough as he's struggling to get game time with Connacht eagles atm.

Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on the young lad? He's an absolute mutant of a human being. Has all kind of records in the Leinster gym from what I've heard. Haven't actually seen enough of him to know whether he can play ball or if he's just a lump of meat

said a lot when Leinster passed on adding him to the academy..

thought it was a mistake at the time but he didn't have a great year last year.. physically huge but not sure how much of a passing game he offers and he has no kicking game..

hopefully it works out for him though.

Witheringeye · 12-08-2015 11:10pm

Yeah if Leinster had a 12 with that sort of physicality and decided to let him go he must have some serious holes in his game

bessiem8 · 12-08-2015 11:17pm

Witheringeye wrote: »

Yeah if Leinster had a 12 with that sort of physicality and decided to let him go he must have some serious holes in his game

they've been wrong before so hopefully they are this time and Robb can make it.

errlloyd · 13-08-2015 1:11am

I wish I'd posted in this four years ago. I dunno if anyone read 9 pages into the told thread, but GerM made a pretty good prediction, now to be fair, he made it in May 2012, so I guess it was at the end of the season.

GerM wrote: »

I can see something like this:

15. Kearney
14. Bowe
13. Earls
12. AN Other
11. Zebo
10. Sexton
9. Murray
8. Heaslip
7. POM
6. SOB
5. POC
4. Ryan
3. Ross
2. Best
1. Healy

16. Strauss
17. McAllister
18. Furlong
19. Toner
20. Ryan
21. Reddan
22. Jackson
23. Payne

Tell you what, he made a better stab at predicting a team more than 3 years ago than I could have done 3 weeks ago. I'd go as far as saying his team would be a perfectly believable selection for an important world cup match, with the exception of probably McAllister and Dom Ryan. AN other being Henshaw of course!

For 2019, I think his method shows promise, anyone knocking around now will probably still be knocking around in a few years.

McGrath
Cronin
Moore
Toner
Henderson
POM
SOB
Healsip

Murray
Sexton

Zebo
Henshaw
Bundee Aki Ringrose
Gilroy
Kelleher

Strauss
Furlong
Healy
ANother
Heenan
L McGrath
Byrne
Fitzgerald

Tox56 · 13-08-2015 5:52am

errlloyd wrote: »

I wish I'd posted in this four years ago. I dunno if anyone read 9 pages into the told thread, but GerM made a pretty good prediction, now to be fair, he made it in May 2012, so I guess it was at the end of the season.

Tell you what, he made a better stab at predicting a team more than 3 years ago than I could have done 3 weeks ago. I'd go as far as saying his team would be a perfectly believable selection for an important world cup match, with the exception of probably McAllister and Dom Ryan. AN other being Henshaw of course!

For 2019, I think his method shows promise, anyone knocking around now will probably still be knocking around in a few years.

McGrath
Cronin
Moore
Toner
Henderson
POM
SOB
Healsip

Murray
Sexton

Zebo
Henshaw
Bundee Aki Ringrose
Gilroy
Kelleher

Strauss
Furlong
Healy
ANother
Heenan
L McGrath
Byrne
Fitzgerald

That AN Other is interesting, nobody had a clue what was going to happen post-D'Arcy (and BOD), things tend to work themselves out and I think they worked out pretty well in this case (praise Joe). It also highlights how impossible this whole exercise is, Henshaw-Payne will be our centre pairing for this World Cup and good luck to anyone predicting that 4 years ago, I couldn't even see it happening 4 minutes before the team was announced for that SA game

leinster blue boys · 13-08-2015 6:38am

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bradders90 wrote: »

He was upper 6th/year 13/last year of school call it what you will which in england makes him u18 but the irish system works on calender years most likely making him a u19 in irish eyes. It wouldn't of been impossible for him to play for them sides, in fact the whole exile system is set up so that anglo irishmen get picked for ireland. You go to regional trials, then get picked for the irish exiles which tours ireland plays the provinces.ireland coaches watch the games and select from the 5 teams (4 provinces +exiles). recent exiles in u18s clubs and u19s include, sean o'hagan, dom gorard (st benedicts, ealing), sam arnold (cranleigh, surrey), jake byrne (warwick school, warwickshire), brett connon (newcastle), niall saunders (epsom, surrey), jack coombes (hartpur, gloucester), and otto gray (canford, sussex).
It is getting very tiresome listening to the same old stuff coming out how he is the next big thing etc when in reality he is no better than any underage outhalf in ireland.
Sorry about grammar and wording on phone right now so hard to proof read. but hopefully i got my point across. Its nothing personal i just think you need to stop pushing him so hard, it gets irritating

Bradders I dont keep pushing for sheedy,I am sn ex Ireland international,who taught him rugby at Millfield ,where he captained our first fifteen ,the lad is gifted,he toured Ireland as a 17 year old with exiles,but coaches decided to put him in a very poor u 19s exile squad ,instead of his proper she if u 18s who included Arnold and were superb,please you stop being so ignorant an please know your facts ,or start watching gaa

Squidgy Black · 13-08-2015 8:48am

leinster blue boys wrote: »

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Bradders I dont keep pushing for sheedy,I am sn ex Ireland international,who taught him rugby at Millfield ,where he captained our first fifteen ,the lad is gifted,he toured Ireland as a 17 year old with exiles,but coaches decided to put him in a very poor u 19s exile squad ,instead of his proper she if u 18s who included Arnold and were superb,please you stop being so ignorant an please know your facts ,or start watching gaa

Ehh.... All 27 of your posts are about Sheedy.

leinster blue boys · 13-08-2015 8:51am

Bradders you need to get a life,

molloyjh · 13-08-2015 8:57am

leinster blue boys wrote: »

I am sn ex Ireland international...please you stop being so ignorant an please know your facts ,or start watching gaa

leinster blue boys wrote: »

Bradders you need to get a life,

I'd like to think an ex international would be a bit more civil. Discussions shouldn't be this.....let's say harsh.

The Pheasant2 · 13-08-2015 9:00am

Witheringeye wrote: »

I put Peter Robb in my team as a total curveball and in the hope it might spark some discussion but went totally unnoticed. I reckon it's unlikely he'll make the breakthrough as he's struggling to get game time with Connacht eagles atm.

Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on the young lad? He's an absolute mutant of a human being. Has all kind of records in the Leinster gym from what I've heard. Haven't actually seen enough of him to know whether he can play ball or if he's just a lump of meat

Watched him the whole way up through school - has always been a monster in the contact area; but to look at him as a one dimensional bosh machine does him a disservice. He has a decent pass on him and isn't afraid to get stuck into the dirty work.

I'm not sure where they'd be available but take a look at the Ireland U20s 6N 2014 if you want to see some of his play.

ButtersSuki · 13-08-2015 9:15am

Haven't posted in the rugby forum for ages and whilst I admit to only scanning some of the pages here Dominic Ryan's name seems like a big ommission. Any thoughts?

leinster blue boys · 13-08-2015 9:16am

molloyjh wrote: »

I'd like to think an ex international would be a bit more civil. Discussions shouldn't be this.....let's say harsh.

Bladders as a retired international and now school teacher,I like to promote young lads from my school - millfield,wether ther Irish or not ,but when a young Irish qualified lad comes along,I really try to put him in the spotlight,and possibly give him a chance to further his career,its just you seem quite rude and arrogant,you are probably one of these armchair critics ,who has never played the sport

Buer · 13-08-2015 9:20am

errlloyd wrote: »

I wish I'd posted in this four years ago. I dunno if anyone read 9 pages into the told thread, but GerM made a pretty good prediction, now to be fair, he made it in May 2012, so I guess it was at the end of the season.

I have it on good authority he was pretty drunk making that selection.

total former · 13-08-2015 9:21am

Ah lads, this thread is only a bit of craic.

total former · 13-08-2015 9:24am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Haven't posted in the rugby forum for ages and whilst I admit to only scanning some of the pages here Dominic Ryan's name seems like a big ommission. Any thoughts?

I think if you'd posted this four years ago I'd have agreed, but it looks like persistent injury and the sheer number of back-rowers coming through has wrecked Ryan's chances of really making it to the top level. He's a useful player but he's 25 now, he's been overtaken by Ruddock, Murphy and Conan at both national and provincial level, he's got the likes of van der Flier and Leavy coming up behind him at Leinster.

He needs to get moving.

English Lurker · 13-08-2015 9:54am

Quick question - if you'd asked me this three/four years back, I'd have backed Tadhg Furlong to leapfrog Marty Moore by 2019 all day and every day; not that Moore was bad, but Furlong seemed completely made for it. Notice virtually everyone has Moore to be top dog by then. Is Furlong struggling to have the impact at senior level, or getting impeded by injuries, or what?

Sangre · 13-08-2015 10:05am

English Lurker wrote: »

Quick question - if you'd asked me this three/four years back, I'd have backed Tadhg Furlong to leapfrog Marty Moore by 2019 all day and every day; not that Moore was bad, but Furlong seemed completely made for it. Notice virtually everyone has Moore to be top dog by then. Is Furlong struggling to have the impact at senior level, or getting impeded by injuries, or what?

Good point.

No, Furlong is going along very nicely in Leinster for his age. Has had to step up in big games a number of times and has held his own. Leinster are really blessed with props these days.

I suspect Moore/Furlong will be the new Ross/Moore with both players expected to put in a good shift every big game. Very hard to tell who will be first choice in four years time though. I guess people are going with Moore because his transition into the international scene has been so seamless. Doesn't seem like any game can phase him.

Ciaran-Irl · 13-08-2015 10:43am

Fireball07 wrote: »

Everyone was terrible the last time, really bad. Nobody picked POC, a lot of people dropped people too quickly in general.

I beg to differ!

irishbucsfan · 13-08-2015 10:50am

The year before that season was probably the year I watched the most Super XV and Sykes looked good, his capitulation just goes to show that anything can happen with young 2nd Rows, (O'Donoghue, Nagle being other examples!). I remember that season thinking Mumm and Sykes were two guys who looked perfectly suited to NH rugby, unfortuantely we got the dud of the pair.

molloyjh · 13-08-2015 10:57am

Sangre wrote: »

Good point.

No, Furlong is going along very nicely in Leinster for his age. Has had to step up in big games a number of times and has held his own. Leinster are really blessed with props these days.

I suspect Moore/Furlong will be the new Ross/Moore with both players expected to put in a good shift every big game. Very hard to tell who will be first choice in four years time though. I guess people are going with Moore because his transition into the international scene has been so seamless. Doesn't seem like any game can phase him.

Yeah I'd agree with this. Moore stepping up so easily has probably nailed him on ahead of Furlong who we've yet to see at that level. Furlong has the ability to pass him out though certainly. It'll make for an interesting battle at Leinster and Ireland over the next few seasons.

jacothelad · 13-08-2015 11:10am

leinster blue boys wrote: »

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Bradders I dont keep pushing for sheedy,I am sn ex Ireland international,who taught him rugby at Millfield ,where he captained our first fifteen ,the lad is gifted,he toured Ireland as a 17 year old with exiles,but coaches decided to put him in a very poor u 19s exile squad ,instead of his proper she if u 18s who included Arnold and were superb,please you stop being so ignorant an please know your facts ,or start watching gaa

leinster blue boys wrote: »

Bladders as a retired international and now school teacher,I like to promote young lads from my school - millfield,wether ther Irish or not ,but when a young Irish qualified lad comes along,I really try to put him in the spotlight,and possibly give him a chance to further his career,its just you seem quite rude and arrogant,you are probably one of these armchair critics ,who has never played the sport

I assume that you don't teach English....

Podge_irl · 13-08-2015 11:15am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The year before that season was probably the year I watched the most Super XV and Sykes looked good, his capitulation just goes to show that anything can happen with young 2nd Rows, (O'Donoghue, Nagle being other examples!). I remember that season thinking Mumm and Sykes were two guys who looked perfectly suited to NH rugby, unfortuantely we got the dud of the pair.

I think it's clear evidence no one should ever listen to you. PRL are evil after all :pac:

connachta · 13-08-2015 11:23am

I put Earls in the mix to support him for this RWC, but I'm surprised so few if not nobody picked Olding at 13 for 2019...

jm08 · 13-08-2015 11:25am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The year before that season was probably the year I watched the most Super XV and Sykes looked good, his capitulation just goes to show that anything can happen with young 2nd Rows, (O'Donoghue, Nagle being other examples!). I remember that season thinking Mumm and Sykes were two guys who looked perfectly suited to NH rugby, unfortuantely we got the dud of the pair.

I don't think Nagle is an example of that since he chose to leave rugby (he was offered another contract with Munster and he had offers from France and England).

Ciaran-Irl · 13-08-2015 11:26am

15-Jones (31)
14-Gilroy (28)
13-Ringrose (24)
12-Henshaw (26)
11-Zebo (29)
10-Sexton (34)
9-Murray (30)
1-McGrath (29)
2-Cronin (33)
3-Moore (29)
4-Toner (33)
5-Henderson (27)
6-O'Mahony (29)
7-Murphy (29)
8-Heaslip (35)

Backrow - likely to be challenged by many out there - Dan Leavy & O Donoghue for example. Hard to call who will emerge, but many will. I have as much doubt that O'Brien will still be playing in 2019 as I had about Ferris playing in 2015 when this thread was done 4 years ago. Sad to say it though.

Second row - those two will be main stays for a long time I reckon.

Front row. I just can't see Healy playing then. He played too much at a young age.

Half backs - I expect Ross Byrne to be a serious challenger. Hanrahan as well. I can't see anyone displacing Murray though.

Centres - I'd be pretty confident that that duo will emerge as a combo, even though Ringrose has yet to break through. Fantastic talent.

Wings & FB. Impossible to call. I can't even call what wings will start in a few weeks time, so 2019 is an impossibility. Kearney could still be there.

irishbucsfan · 13-08-2015 11:26am

jm08 wrote: »

I don't think Nagle is an example of that since he chose to leave rugby (he was offered another contract with Munster and he had offers from France and England).

I think he is an example because he completely failed to deliver on his early promise and was nowhere near as good as we all hoped he would be.

Harry FM · 13-08-2015 11:27am

15-Jones (31)
14-Gilroy (28)
13-Earls (31)
12-Henshaw (26)
11-Zebo (29)
10-Sexton (34)
9-Murray (30)
1-Healy (31)
2-Cronin (33)
3-Moore (34)
4-Toner (33)
5-Henderson (27)
6-O'Mahony (c) [29]
7-O'Brien (32)
8-Murphy (28)

16-Strauss (33)
17-McGrath (30)
18-Furlong (26)
19-Foley (31)
20-Ruddock (28)
21-Marmion (27)
22-Jackson (27)
23-D.Kearney (30)

Avg age of starting XV-30

Leinster-7
Munster-5
Ulster-2
Connacht-1

ButtersSuki · 13-08-2015 12:34pm

total former wrote: »

I think if you'd posted this four years ago I'd have agreed, but it looks like persistent injury and the sheer number of back-rowers coming through has wrecked Ryan's chances of really making it to the top level. He's a useful player but he's 25 now, he's been overtaken by Ruddock, Murphy and Conan at both national and provincial level, he's got the likes of van der Flier and Leavy coming up behind him at Leinster.

He needs to get moving.

didn't he get his first full cap in the last autumn international series? I know he's has his injuries but he's hardly fallen that far down the pecking order since then, or has he? Genuine question - is he in the extended WC training squad?

Your irish 23 for the 2019 rugby world cup

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