Your irish 23 for the 2019 rugby world cup

The Lost Sheep

With just 15 months to the world cup what are peoples thoughts on a squad for big games now.
1 Jack McGrath
2 Rory Best
3 Tadhg Furlong
4 Ian Henderson
5 James Ryan
6 Peter O Mahony
7 Sean O Brien
8 CJ Stander
9 Conor Murray
10 Jonathan Sexton
11 Jordan Larmour
12 Robbie Henshaw
13 Bundee Aki
14 Keith Earls
15 Rob Kearney
16 Niall Scannell
17 Cian Healy
18 John Ryan
19 Ultan Dillane
20 Dan Leavy
21 Kieran Marmion
22 Joey Carbery
23 Garry Ringrose

bilston

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

With just 15 months to the world cup what are peoples thoughts on a squad for big games now.
1 Jack McGrath
2 Rory Best
3 Tadhg Furlong
4 Ian Henderson
5 James Ryan
6 Peter O Mahony
7 Sean O Brien
8 CJ Stander
9 Conor Murray
10 Jonathan Sexton
11 Jordan Larmour
12 Robbie Henshaw
13 Bundee Aki
14 Keith Earls
15 Rob Kearney
16 Niall Scannell
17 Cian Healy
18 John Ryan
19 Ultan Dillane
20 Dan Leavy
21 Kieran Marmion
22 Joey Carbery
23 Garry Ringrose

I'd be surprised if Ringrose and Stockdale aren't in the starting XV. And right now If be leaning towards Leavy over O'Brien. Also Dillane has fallen back a bit (presumably due to sad personal reasons).

Cronin over Scannell for sub hooker.

stephen_n

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

With just 15 months to the world cup what are peoples thoughts on a squad for big games now.
1 Cian Healy
2 Rory Best
3 Tadhg Furlong
4 Ian Henderson
5 James Ryan
6 Peter O Mahony
7 Dan Leavy
8 CJ Stander
9 Conor Murray
10 Jonathan Sexton
11 Jacob Stockdale
12 Robbie Henshaw
13 Garry Ringrose
14 Keith Earls
15 Rob Kearney
16 Sean Cronin
17 Jack McGrath
18 Andrew Porter
19 Devin Toner
20 Josh VDF
21 Kieran Marmion
22 Joey Carbery
23 Jordan Larmour

More like this I’d imagine, don’t think SOB will make it that far due to injuries.

joseywhales

Ah they'll have him ready for the wc or he'll retire. There's not many more targets left for him, so I'm sure he will put everything into making that wc, similar to the dead cat bounce we got from poc and bod.

Best might not make it or be a bench option, ringrose will be out star back.

Buer

I don't envisage a scenario where Dillane makes the squad let alone the 23 at this point. Toner, Ryan, Roux, Henderson and Beirne are all ahead of him. Kleyn potentially also given he will be Irish qualified in time for some of the RWC warm up matches.

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Buer wrote: »

I don't envisage a scenario where Dillane makes the squad let alone the 23 at this point. Toner, Ryan, Roux, Henderson and Beirne are all ahead of him. Kleyn potentially also given he will be Irish qualified in time for some of the RWC warm up matches.

The disappointing part is I think Dillane is good enough and talented enough but the last season or so he just hasn't been playing well enough.

He's had a very tough year and there has been a lot of change in Connacht, I'd really love to see him force his way into consideration next season.

salmocab

twistertwise00 wrote: »

15. Rob Kearney(33)
14. Craig Gilroy(28)
13. Garry Ringrose(24)
12. Robbie Henshaw(26)
11. Luke Fitzgerald(31)
10. Jonathan Sexton(34)
9. Conor Murray(30)
8. Jack Conan(27)
7. Sean O'Brien(32)
6. Peter O'Mahony(29)
5. Devin Toner(33)
4. Iain Henderson(27)
3. Tadhg Furlong(26)
2. Sean Cronin(33)
1. Cian Healy(31)

16. Duncan Casey(28)
17. Jack McGrath(29)
18. Martin Moore(28)
19. Dave Foley(31)
20. Jordi Murphy(28)
21. John Cooney(29)
22. Paddy Jackson(27)
23. Keith Earls(31)

3 years back this was a very good shout

Burkie1203

Healy Best Furlong Ryan Henderson Stander Leavy Conan
Murray Sexton Stockdale Henshaw Ringrose Earls Conway

McGrath Cronin Porter Toner Jordi Cooney Carbery Larmour

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Healy Best Furlong Ryan Henderson Stander  Leavy Conan
Murray Sexton  Stockdale Henshaw Ringrose Earls Conway

McGrath Cronin Porter Toner Jordi Cooney Carbery Larmour

Yeah of course not a single Connacht player

Dubinusa

Healy
Best
Furlong
Hendo
Ryan
Beirne
Leavy
Conan
Murray
Sexton
Stock
Henshaw
Ringrose
Earl's
Conway
McGrath, herring, porter, toner, pom, cooney, Byrne, larmour

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

Yeah of course not a single Connacht player

Realistically only 2 or 3 are in the frame.

Marmion - any gap to McGrath or Cooney is now gone.

Aki - I think Henshaw- Ringrose is our best centre pairing.

Dillane, Bealham, Roux have 3 or 4 players ahead of them for a spot on the plane. Nobody else in the equation right now realistically

The Lost Sheep

Buer wrote: »

I don't envisage a scenario where Dillane makes the squad let alone the 23 at this point. Toner, Ryan, Roux, Henderson and Beirne are all ahead of him. Kleyn potentially also given he will be Irish qualified in time for some of the RWC warm up matches.

I put up squad to get thread started up again as well. Not sure Dillane will but would like him to.

connachta wrote: »

Yeah of course not a single Connacht player

Not many you would expect to make overall squad nevermind the 23 so bar Aki, Marmion who both are in positions with quite a few alternatives then who is missing from Connacht perspective?

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Healy
Herring
Furlong
Beirne
Ryan
Leavy
SOB
Stander
Murray
Sexton
Earls
Aki
Ringrose
Stockdale
Larmour

McGrath
Cronin
Ryan
Henderson
Ruddock
Cooney
Carbery
Henshaw

connachta

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

I don't envisage a scenario where Dillane makes the squad let alone the 23 at this point. Toner, Ryan, Roux, Henderson and Beirne are all ahead of him. Kleyn potentially also given he will be Irish qualified in time for some of the RWC warm up matches.

I put up squad to get thread started up again as well. Not sure Dillane will but would like him to.

connachta wrote: »

Yeah of course not a single Connacht player

Not many you would expect to make overall squad nevermind the 23 so bar Aki, Marmion who both are in positions with quite a few alternatives then who is missing from Connacht perspective?

It's not about missing (except maybe Dillane who as said by other posters could be back to his level next season)
It's about the tendency some posters have not to pick the Connacht guy when it's close to 50/50. And I think Aki and Marmion will be in the 23, Aki probably in the main 15.
Hope so anyway

slingerz

Surely squad would be more likely to select than starting team this far out.

Healy, McGrath, Cronin
Best, Cronin, Scannell
Furlong, Porter, Ryan
Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Toner
O'Mahony, Leavy, O'Brien, Murphy
Stander, Conan
Murray, McGrath, Cooney
Sexton, Carbery, Byrne
Stockdale, Earls, Larmour, Conway
Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose
Kearney

Former Former

I don't think Dillane has ever really shown that he's at the level of Ryan/Henderson/Toner, and now he has Beirne to contend with. He has a mountain to climb and, barring injury to the other guys, very little platform to do it. He might not play for Ireland again this side of the RWC.

molloyjh

Compared to my first attempt 3 years ago, which was:

molloyjh wrote: »

McGrath Cronin Moore
Henderson Toner
POM Heaslip SOB

Murray Sexton
Arnold Henshaw
Zebo Kearney Fitzgerald

Casey, Cronin, Furlong, Foley, Murphy, Marmion, Jackson, Madigan

I'm going to go with:

Healy Best Furlong
Toner Ryan
POM Stander Leavy

Murray Sexton
Henshaw Ringrose
Stockdale Kearney Earls

Cronin, McGrath, Porter, Henderson/Beirne, VDF, Marmion, Carbery, Larmour

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

My 2019 team will be 100% correct and it will be:

McGrath (29)
Strauss (33)
Furlong (26)
Toner (33)
Henderson (27)
O'Mahoney (30) - Capt
O'Donoghue (25)

Murray (30)
Sexton (34)
D Kearney (30)
Henshaw (26)
Ringrose (24)
Earls (32)
R Kearney (33)

B Byrne (26)
D Buckley (29)
M Moore (28)
James Ryan (23)
CJ Stander (29)
L McGrath (26)
P Jackson (27)
F Jones (32)

This time I've erred on the side of longevity, and thrown in a few less curveballs...

Some of this was shocking. Some of it was quite good. Obviously missing a back row entirely!

Richie_Rich89

2019? Sure that's only a year away. 2023 predictions would be more fun

McGrath, Marshall, Furlong, Toner, Ryan, Josh Murphy, Leavy, Deegan, Murray, Byrne, Stockdale, Henshaw, Ringrose, Nash, Larmour; Tracy, Byrne, Porter, Beirne, Doris, Cooney, Carbery, Arnold

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

It's not about missing (except maybe Dillane who as said by other posters could be back to his level next season)
It's about the tendency some posters have not to pick the Connacht guy when it's close to 50/50. And I think Aki and Marmion will be in the 23, Aki probably in the main 15.
Hope so anyway

I happen to think Henshaw-Ringrose is our best centre pairing and offers us more then any other pairing.

Fit and healthy it's Henshaw, Ringrose, Aki and C Farrell going to Japan. Arnold, Scannell and McCloskey would be outside bets. Tom Farrell would be a real bolter at this stage

Marmion needs a really big season ahead because the two guys he is competing with for the 21 shirt will be playing regular champions cup rugby. Cooney is also on a huge upward curve at the moment. It's not out of the question that Cooney jumps ahead if he keeps going in that direction.

stephen_n

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

2019? Sure that's only a year away. 2023 predictions would be more fun

McGrath, Marshall, Furlong, Toner, Ryan, Josh Murphy, Leavy, Deegan, Murray, Byrne, Stockdale, Henshaw, Ringrose, Nash, Larmour; Tracy, Byrne, Porter, Beirne, Doris, Cooney, Carbery, Arnold

I’m amazed you don’t have JJ in there and it’s likely Toner won’t be starting in 2019, since he will be 36 in 2023, I really doubt he’ll be starting then.

connachta

Ryan/Beirne, Henderson on the bench, Dillane as back-up in the extended RWC squad.
Would be great

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

Ryan/Beirne, Henderson on the bench, Dillane as back-up in the extended RWC squad.
Would be great

It's going to take an injury most likely for Dillane to get capped this side if rwc 2019.

molloyjh

Burkie1203 wrote: »

It's going to take an injury most likely for Dillane to get capped this side if rwc 2019.

Yep. Ryan, Henderson, Toner and Beirne are all ahead of him. Roux too potentially.

willit

molloyjh wrote: »

Yep. Ryan, Henderson, Toner and Beirne are all ahead of him. Roux too potentially.

After his performance off the bench last week I would be amazed if Roux ever plays for Ireland again. I must qualify that by pointing out that I am not a Roux fan and could never understand his inclusion, but his stats from his 18 minute showing last week are the worst I've seen: 0 carries, 0 passes, 0 lineout ball won, 0 clearouts at rucks, missed 1 of the only 2 tackles he attempted and was the lock behind Furlong when the tighthead folded for the penalty that lead to the 2nd Aussie try.

With stats like that I can't imagine what video analysis day was like for him. I'd definitely have Dillane ahead of him, along with O'Shea and (when eligible)Kleyn.

PhlegmyMoses

willit wrote: »

After his performance off the bench last week I would be amazed if Roux ever plays for Ireland again. I must qualify that by pointing out that I am not a Roux fan and could never understand his inclusion, but his stats from his 18 minute showing last week are the worst I've seen: 0 carries, 0 passes, 0 lineout ball won, 0 clearouts at rucks, missed 1 of the only 2 tackles he attempted and was the lock behind Furlong when the tighthead folded for the penalty that lead to the 2nd Aussie try.

With stats like that I can't imagine what video analysis day was like for him. I'd definitely have Dillane ahead of him, along with O'Shea and (when eligible)Kleyn.

Whatever about anything else, that scrum was wheeled. Not on Roux at all, should have been pinged

padser

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Whatever about anything else, that scrum was wheeled. Not on Roux at all, should have been pinged

It's looks like Cronin is at fault for that in Schmidts eyes anyway

Buer

padser wrote: »

It's looks like Cronin is at fault for that in Schmidts eyes anyway

Nah. The scrum was ok last week but creaked a few times regardless of who was on the pitch. I would say the big factor in Cronin and the scrum is that he's not able to actually hook the ball nearly as well as the others. With that said, there were a few times today when there was no clean strike and we were under real pressure trying to get the ball clear. We almost lost possession on a 5m scrum when we got a good strike but sent it flying out between the lock and blindside before Murray cleaned up.

Stan27

Was reading the first page. So much can change in 4 years

realhorrorshow

People had big expectations for Sam Arnold. Also, did not expect to see Danie Poolman there