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The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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  • #3032
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    keane2097 wrote: »
    My opinion is that the rules should be applied to everyone equally. Bar Lee Keegan.

    Lee Keegan was up for the incorrect offence last year and got off on a technicality. I wish he hadnt as the linesman who had initially spotted it was given the ref job for the replay and what ensued was a complete disgrace of a refereeing performance in Limerick. With Kerry in the right place at the right time yet again ;)


  • #3033
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Nothing conspiracy about it. Everyone can see the decisions Kerry has gotten. They are stacking up at this stage.
    The only thing stacking up this year is the free count for teams buying frees and the inability of referees to spot the legitimate ones from the not so legitimate - I've watched plenty of matches this year, not just Kerrys and it's in every match.


  • #3034
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    It is a correct statement to say that the Courts are now closed because they are. That does not preclude there being emergency sittings.

    Digging upwards?

    How delightfully whimsical!
    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Nothing conspiracy about it. Everyone can see the decisions Kerry has gotten. They are stacking up at this stage.

    You can see decisions, you say some of them are wrong. That's fair enough.

    To say that means there is an agenda in the GAA to assist Kerry is a conspiracy theory. It is not a fact. You are surmising that this motive exists.

    Are you really a Solicitor? Really? Apprentice? Precision with language is important you know.


  • #3035
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    RT&#201 wrote:
    Joe Brolly has described the proposed eight-week suspension for Tyrone footballer Tiernan McCann as "unlawful", given that simulation is only a yellow card offence under GAA rules.
    McCann dropped to the ground after Monaghan's Darren Hughes appeared to ruffle his hair during the sides' All-Ireland SFC quarter-final last Sunday. Hughes was sent off for the incident.
    The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee is understood to have proposed an eight-week suspension for 'misconduct that is considered to have discredited the Association' but RTÉ analyst Brolly, who is a barrister, has slammed that decision, saying it exceeds the punishment provided for diving.
    Brolly wrote on Twitter: "My view is the use of the specific provision is illegal. The law of statutory interpretation applies to any rule. The lawmaker (Congress) has created a specific offence of simulation with a specific penalty (yellow card).
    Joe Brolly wrote:
    @PhilipJordan7 Tyrone have not been charged for this advice
    — Joe Brolly (@JoeBrolly1993) August 12, 2015
    "Tiernan's only offence, as a matter of law, is simulation, since the lawmaker is presumed to mean what he says. If this were not so, then the disrepute provision could be used to override any offence, perverse though that would be. So, for example, a striking offence could be charged as disrepute.
    "The decision is therefore unlawful. It is a manipulation of the law to punish Tiernan more severely than the law allows.
    "The central point is that feigning is feigning. The penalty is a yellow card. How can any single act of feigning be worse? The point of the rule is to create certainty for the player & the GAA. If misconduct can override it the rule is worthless."
    Brolly concluded: "The case is most certainly headed for the DRA."
    McCann is expected to seek a personal hearing.
    The eight-week ban, the minimum allowed for a misconduct charge, would rule him out of the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry and the final, should Tyrone qualify.
    Mickey Harte has already defended his player describing him as a fine young man and said he wasn't entirely to blame for the incident.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0812/720713-eight-week-ban-proposed-for-tiernan-mccann/

    ---

    Indeed QC, indeed.


  • #3036
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,799 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Lee Keegan was up for the incorrect offence last year and got off on a technicality. I wish he hadnt as the linesman who had initially spotted it was given the ref job for the replay and what ensued was a complete disgrace of a refereeing performance in Limerick. With Kerry in the right place at the right time yet again ;)

    I agree, I'm perfectly happy for Mayo to rules lawyer and get a player off with a dirty trick.

    I think it's disgraceful for the GAA to try rules lawyering and dirty tricks in this incident however.


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  • #3037
    DoctaDee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    MattB11 wrote: »
    Feigning foul or injury is supposed to be punished with a yellow card in a game ....I don't see how an 8 week ban is at all fair in comparison, McCann is far from the 1st player to play act and con the ref so why now does this kinda ban have to be introduced? Decisions on correct punishments for these types of incidents should be made before seasons not at the semi final stage.


    I thought there was scope within the GAA to impose a 2 month suspension for an act likely to bring the association into disrepute - this maybe the perceived slight that the top table wishes to impose - either I'm talking out me blowhole but if the 2 month sanction is imposed the GAA will be discrediting themselves imo


  • #3038
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    I've actually gone past angry about this now. Never mind if this stands in court etc, if this rumour is even true that they are going to try this then I could be done with the sport. No enjoyment in a sport that can pick and choose who and what to punish, apply a different law to the one that clearly covers the offence and bow to rte.


  • #3039
    DDC1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Jayop wrote: »
    I've actually gone past angry about this now. Never mind if this stands in court etc, if this rumour is even true that they are going to try this then I could be done with the sport. No enjoyment in a sport that can pick and choose who and what to punish, apply a different law to the one that clearly covers the offence and bow to rte.
    Its tough, but it's nothing personal against Tyrone, its just a case of the wrong team in the wrong place.

    You see clearly its an Association wide conspiracy to help Kerry, so next year you will be fine as long as you don't draw Kerry.

    If he wasn't suspended, he would have been sent off anyway for nothing, probably for James O'Donoghue diving, just like his mentor Colm Cooper.

    "The Gooch" (if that really is his real alias) probably faked that injury picked up against Castlebar as part of the conspiracy to bring Kerry back to being relevant in the GAA.

    His mother's cousin bought a horse from Cormac Reilly's aunt's pharmacist, and gave him an extra tenner on the top to give loads of frees against Mayo.

    Crazy conspiracy theories are a cancer on the game in my opinion.


  • #3040
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Digging upwards?

    How delightfully whimsical!



    You can see decisions, you say some of them are wrong. That's fair enough.

    To say that means there is an agenda in the GAA to assist Kerry is a conspiracy theory. It is not a fact. You are surmising that this motive exists.

    Are you really a Solicitor? Really? Apprentice? Precision with language is important you know.

    Wow you seem annoyed i have taken issue with your simplistic views on the Court lists during the summer break. Apologies.

    I am also noting the not so subtle implication in your incredulity that one is hot stuff simply by being a Solicitor. My profession is full of folks like yourself, unfortunately.


  • #3041
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    keane2097 wrote: »
    I agree, I'm perfectly happy for Mayo to rules lawyer and get a player off with a dirty trick.

    I think it's disgraceful for the GAA to try rules lawyering and dirty tricks in this incident however.

    What was the dirty trick?


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  • #3042
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    DDC1990 wrote: »
    Its tough, but it's nothing personal against Tyrone, its just a case of the wrong team in the wrong place.

    You see clearly its an Association wide conspiracy to help Kerry, so next year you will be fine as long as you don't draw Kerry.

    If he wasn't suspended, he would have been sent off anyway for nothing, probably for James O'Donoghue diving, just like his mentor Colm Cooper.

    "The Gooch" (if that really is his real alias) probably faked that injury picked up against Castlebar as part of the conspiracy to bring Kerry back to being relevant in the GAA.

    His mother's cousin bought a horse from Cormac Reilly's aunt's pharmacist, and gave him an extra tenner on the top to give loads of frees against Mayo.

    Crazy conspiracy theories are a cancer on the game in my opinion.

    I've not once mentioned Kerry in relation to this, nor do I believe it's anything to help them. Those theories are dumb Imo.

    If you look in the black arts thread I said diving should carry a harsh punishment, but you can't just decide to punish one player with three games left to go in a season with a rule that doesn't cover the offence when another rule already specifically does. At the beginning of the year next year it should be clearly laid out what the new punishment is for diving and if a Tyrone player fell foul of it then he'd deserve everything coming to him.

    This is a witch hunt and nothing more.


  • #3043
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Wow you seem annoyed...

    Awwww. I thought I was whimsical!
    Peist2007 wrote: »
    I am also noting the not so subtle implication in your incredulity that one is hot stuff simply by being a Solicitor. My profession is full of folks like yourself, unfortunately.

    Oh as a Solicitor, I think it's a job that could be largely done by trained monkeys and I have no illusions at all about the brainpower of most of my colleagues. Not sure where you got the idea about "hot stuff", I mildly challenged laughable conspiracy nonsense and referred to precision in language. That's hardly "hot stuff".


  • #3044
    DDC1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,386 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Jayop wrote: »
    I've not once mentioned Kerry in relation to this, nor do I believe it's anything to help them. Those theories are dumb Imo.

    If you look in the black arts thread I said diving should carry a harsh punishment, but you can't just decide to punish one player with three games left to go in a season with a rule that doesn't cover the offence when another rule already specifically does. At the beginning of the year next year it should be clearly laid out what the new punishment is for diving and if a Tyrone player fell foul of it then he'd deserve everything coming to him.

    This is a witch hunt and nothing more.
    Sorry not aimed at you at all.

    Its aimed at some of the other ridiculous theories floating around in this thread, relating to the GAA trying to help Kerry.

    It is a witch hunt, no doubt about it. If they were serious about diving Shields would have been done in the Munster Final replay.

    The only major difference is that Deegan wasn't stupid enough to fall for the dive.


  • #3045
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    This thread has become almost as unbearable as the 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship :mad:


  • #3046
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Also, re. Kerry conspiracy nonsense, does anyone really think Kerry give a crap if McCann plays or not. He's a good young player but hardly a young Peter Canavan. Any advantage to Kerry would be coincidental through upsetting our preparations and possibly refs being less willing to give Tyrone frees for fear of getting the Duffy treatment. Kerry had already got their advantage through the furore and this really isn't about them.


  • #3047
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    danganabu wrote: »
    This thread has become almost as unbearable as the 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship :mad:
    This is a fine thread with some great knowledge posters here and I for one like reading it


  • #3048
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Jayop wrote: »
    Also, re. Kerry conspiracy nonsense, does anyone really think Kerry give a crap if McCann plays or not. He's a good young player but hardly a young Peter Canavan. Any advantage to Kerry would be coincidental through upsetting our preparations and possibly refs being less willing to give Tyrone frees for fear of getting the Duffy treatment. Kerry had already got their advantage through the furore and this really isn't about them.

    Very true and if anything it would have the opposite affect in that firstly it would create a seige mentality in the Tyrone camp and secondly as things stand public perception and feeling is very much against Tyrone but if this case were to be persisted with it would very much divide opinion and Tyrone may actually end up being portrayed as the victims.


  • #3049
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    danganabu wrote: »
    Very true and if anything it would have the opposite affect in that firstly it would create a seige mentality in the Tyrone camp and secondly as things stand public perception and feeling is very much against Tyrone but if this case were to be persisted with it would very much divide opinion and Tyrone may actually end up being portrayed as the victims.

    Reading Twitter ex players and current county lads seem to be very much on McCanns side. Public opinion though is still largely against him. Have a look at the comments section in the42 article to see the bollocks being spewed.

    I'd generally regard people who comment in dedicated forums to be more informed and knowledgable than those who comment in media comments section and Twitter and that looks to be the case here.


  • #3050
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    danganabu wrote: »
    Very true and if anything it would have the opposite affect in that firstly it would create a seige mentality in the Tyrone camp and secondly as things stand public perception and feeling is very much against Tyrone but if this case were to be persisted with it would very much divide opinion and Tyrone may actually end up being portrayed as the victims.


    Unfortunately while I'm of the view Tyrone at times get unfair critsim no logic what your saying in its clear as day most are against Tyrone after the weekend and I feel for mickey harte


  • #3051
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Awwww. I thought I was whimsical!



    Oh as a Solicitor, I think it's a job that could be largely done by trained monkeys and I have no illusions at all about the brainpower of most of my colleagues. Not sure where you got the idea about "hot stuff", I mildly challenged laughable conspiracy nonsense and referred to precision in language. That's hardly "hot stuff".

    You'd think after running with whimsical in 3 or 4 of your posts you'd have looked up its meaning. After all, precision with language is very important ;)


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  • #3052
    DoctaDee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Wow you seem annoyed i have taken issue with your simplistic views on the Court lists during the summer break. Apologies.

    I am also noting the not so subtle implication in your incredulity that one is hot stuff simply by being a Solicitor. My profession is full of folks like yourself, unfortunately.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Awwww. I thought I was whimsical!

    Oh as a Solicitor, I think it's a job that could be largely done by trained monkeys and I have no illusions at all about the brainpower of most of my colleagues. Not sure where you got the idea about "hot stuff", I mildly challenged laughable conspiracy nonsense and referred to precision in language. That's hardly "hot stuff".

    Mod - OK Lads we'll just park this difference in opinions please.


  • #3053
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Unfortunately while I'm of the view Tyrone at times get unfair critsim no logic what your saying in its clear as day most are against Tyrone after the weekend and I feel for mickey harte

    But thats exactly what I said??


  • #3054
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    danganabu wrote: »
    But thats exactly what I said??

    You said Tyrone would be portrayed as the victims did you or did you not
    Sorry now but Tyrone are being portrayed far from the victims in the media you do realise yes


  • #3055
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • #3056
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Worth putting money on Tyrone after all this.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3057
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Every once in a while comes a watershed moment. That is what McCann has precipitated. Somebody was always going to suffer for this more than others and McCann is the chosen one. The behaviour of Tyrone generally is also a factor.
    Hopefully it will stamp this petulance out for once and for all.


  • #3058
    intellectual dosser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭intellectual dosser


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I dont agree, it sets a dangerous precedence thats going to lead to imbalance and inconsistency.

    Whats next?

    Can see this decision being appealed and overturned.


  • #3059
    Kalyke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Every once in a while comes a watershed moment. That is what McCann has precipitated. Somebody was always going to suffer for this more than others and McCann is the chosen one. The behaviour of Tyrone generally is also a factor.
    Hopefully it will stamp this petulance out for once and for all.
    This McCann " gate" reminds me of the Cavanagh "gate"....


  • #3060
    danganabu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    You said Tyrone would be portrayed as the victims did you or did you not
    Sorry now but Tyrone are being portrayed far from the victims in the media you do realise yes

    What I said was that at the moment public opinion is very much against Tyrone and the player involved, but if the GAA persist with this trumped up charge then that could very well shift opinion on this and Tyrone may end up being portrayed as the victims.

    If you havent time to read my posts's please dont quote them in a reply, with all respect!


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  • #3061
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,930 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Jayop wrote: »
    I've actually gone past angry about this now. Never mind if this stands in court etc, if this rumour is even true that they are going to try this then I could be done with the sport. No enjoyment in a sport that can pick and choose who and what to punish, apply a different law to the one that clearly covers the offence and bow to rte.

    Why do you keep harping on about RTE? GAA fans are well able to make their own minds up we all saw what happened and what we'd like to see done. We dob't need RTE to lead the charge, they are merely reflecting the attitude among the wider GAA community on this issue.


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