Tor & The Deep Dark Wet Web

jimgoose · 11-08-2015 04:36PM

TOR is but one example of a "Darknet", others being e.g. I2P, Freenet and GNUnet. All the Darknets comprise the seedy undercarriage of the Wibbly Wobbly Wonder known as the "Dark Web".

You need a TOR-enabled browser unless the TOR software is installed low-down in the networking stack of your computer. On an Android device for example this will require rooting.

Be careful out there, kids.

frozenfrozen · 11-08-2015 04:40PM

I downloaded some ram from there once

kjl · 11-08-2015 04:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If I got a warning letter from my ISP I would just get a decent vpn and then that would provide some level of safety.

but tor is free

kjl · 11-08-2015 04:51PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

BC Budmail?

zippybud was better.

11-08-2015 04:52PM

kjl wrote: »

but tor is free

That is true I suppose. Would slow the torrent down a lot more than a vpn Id imagine though?

kjl · 11-08-2015 04:52PM

somesoldiers wrote: »

my mate bought drugs of SR that he said were like the drug in Limitless, he didn't become a millionaire stock broker but did score

Ritalin I would imagine.

PopePalpatine · 11-08-2015 04:55PM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

If you run an exit node boards stops working. So you need another VPN or something to get on a lot of sites. Either because the site admins had bother with tor users before or else the site is run by the 'high and mighty' moral highground fun police folks who thinks the government should have access to everyone's private stuff and every packet on the internet must be easily traceable to it's human owner

Given the plague of obvious re-reg bigots on some threads in the past, I'd say the former is far more likely.

KungPao · 11-08-2015 05:03PM

I'd imagine using the TOR network would attract more attention to you? You don't know where or who is operating the exit nodes as far as I know, so while the data is encrypted up it's ass en route, the exit could be going straight the feds?

The_Valeyard · 11-08-2015 05:19PM

Just want to make sure the vpn or network your using is not active log recording and permanent storage. But if your seriously into some dark illegal sh*t, eventually you will get caught out.

Other stuff is pretty harmless and unlikely to have gardai breaking down your door, say using a vpn for US Netflix or BBC player, etc.

hatrickpatrick · 11-08-2015 05:21PM

KungPao wrote: »

I'd imagine using the TOR network would attract more attention to you? You don't know where or who is operating the exit nodes as far as I know, so while the data is encrypted up it's ass en route, the exit could be going straight the feds?

Most of the truly underground stuff is kept wholly within the network on hidden services. The trouble is, there are rumours of a serious vulnerability in that protocol at the moment and nobody seems to know exactly what that might be.

The_Captain · 11-08-2015 05:36PM

I don't do anything illegal enough to bother paying for a decent VPN. They cost about the same as a Netflix or Spotify subscription, so what's the point?

11-08-2015 05:50PM

The_Captain wrote: »

I don't do anything illegal enough to bother paying for a decent VPN. They cost about the same as a Netflix or Spotify subscription, so what's the point?

It is not just for hiding. You can also unlock geographically locked content with a vpn which can be handy.

LDN_Irish · 11-08-2015 06:09PM

kjl wrote: »

Ritalin I would imagine.

Modafinil was my first thought. Ritalin isn't popular anymore.

KungPao · 11-08-2015 06:16PM

The_Captain wrote: »

I don't do anything illegal enough to bother paying for a decent VPN. They cost about the same as a Netflix or Spotify subscription, so what's the point?

Same.

I download torrents like most people (very often of music I have already actually bought over the years but lost/abandoned the CDs and tapes) and of films (again, I have a huge DVD collection dumped in my Mother's house, so I download stuff I've already bought). Same with downloading ROMS of games I bought back in the day. So my conscience is pretty clear

I have been doing this since the late 90s, never got a letter telling me stop.

Years ago I used Peer Guardian to block IPs associated with the guys trying to catch you - think it's obsolete now...now I use Peerblock - same idea.

Deleted User wrote: »

It is not just for hiding. You can also unlock geographically locked content with a vpn which can be handy.

Indeed. But I have used the free addon "Hola" for that, generally works well.

kupus · 11-08-2015 08:01PM

KungPao wrote: »

Indeed. But I have used the free addon "Hola" for that, generally works well.

I read somewhere recently that hola was a zombie seller of your bandwidth.

Haven't a clue what that means:pac:

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-08-2015 08:40PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I wonder how many people got ripped off on it?

You send bitcoins to a dodgy site where they sell illegal stuff.

What's stopping them from cashing in your bitcoins and fcuking off without sending you what you ordered?

You can hardly go to the police and complain that the child you bought didn't arrive. :pac:

Transfers are held in escrow type system for a period, you can make a complaint.

umop apisdn · 11-08-2015 08:45PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Given the plague of obvious re-reg bigots on some threads in the past, I'd say the former is far more likely.

Much easier to spot the bigots that don't re-reg though

The_Valeyard · 11-08-2015 09:00PM

Suppose you still need to be careful. I use the vpn for Netflix. Once I forgot to disable it, was on on reddit clicked a link for a pic of Captain PicardPans Ruler wearing a Wooly hat, brought me to 4chan and said my IP was blocked for spam.

DarkyHughes · 11-08-2015 09:23PM

smash wrote: »

So he went into the site then...

No a page came up saying "click to enter site"

DarkyHughes · 11-08-2015 09:29PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I wonder how many people got ripped off on it?

You send bitcoins to a dodgy site where they sell illegal stuff.

What's stopping them from cashing in your bitcoins and fcuking off without sending you what you ordered?

You can hardly go to the police and complain that the child you bought didn't arrive. :pac:

Probably all the people trying to buy Atomic bombs on it.

DarkyHughes · 11-08-2015 09:33PM

Boards.ie should have a section where people can sell & buy guns, black tar Mexican heroin, Xanax Bars, women, Palestinian land, hit-men for hire etc.... Imagine how much money the site owners would make.

umop apisdn · 11-08-2015 09:38PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Boards.ie should have a section where people can sell & buy guns, black tar Mexican heroin, Xanax Bars, women, Palestinian land, hit-men for hire etc.... Imagine how much money the site owners would make.

What a thing to say about the clientele that frequent boards.ie

The_Valeyard · 11-08-2015 09:50PM

umop apisdn wrote: »

What a thing to say about the clientele that frequent boards.ie

He means AH posters

ALiasEX · 12-08-2015 07:57AM

"We've been saying for years not to run Bittorrent over Tor, because the Tor network can't handle the load; perhaps these attacks will convince more people to listen." https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

umop apisdn · 15-08-2015 08:37PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

He means AH posters

What's wrong with after hours posters ? Their the same people that post on the rest of boards.

conorhal · 15-08-2015 10:03PM

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I bought a used birthday suit on silkroad

Do you stand naked in front of the mirror in your basement while 'Goodbye Horses' plays in the background while you wear it?

brianregan09 · 15-08-2015 11:55PM

So how exactly does this Tor thing work ? just download and work away or what ?

When the Sun Hits · 16-08-2015 12:06AM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Modafinil was my first thought. Ritalin isn't popular anymore.

Doubtful. Modafinil can be bought on the clearnet (legally) pretty easily. Probably was Adderall, Dextro or just plain old reliable Amphetamine Sulphate. :pac:

syklops · 16-08-2015 12:44AM

Menas wrote: »

And whatever you do - dont install and access Tor on your work laptop....your IT guys will be all over you like a rash!!

If this was true the whole world would be a better place.

In the last couple of years I've been in the SOC/NOC of dozens of irish and Irish based-MNCs and the amount who have little to no visibility on their network is truly shocking.

KomradeBishop · 16-08-2015 12:48AM

There is no safe way to browse the darknet really. The way that people are identified, is by exploiting their web browser (usually after first exploiting the web server hosting a darknet website, to plant code that exploits the browser of visitors), and running software on their computer to either get their IP address, or - if you've perfectly setup your network to go straight through a VPN, making the IP unobtainable - gathering computer hardware id's which are very easily traced back to you, with the right legal resources.

Not even running from within a VM is safe, because again, you can guarantee that there are exploits that can bypass a VM and can be used to gather hardware id's.

It'd require fairly large technical and legal resources to do this, but it's definitely within the ability of law enforcement agencies in e.g. the US - and with the ubiquitous internet surveillance going on around the world, with many countries collaborating in this across borders, and with how a large number of Tor nodes are likely run by various co-operating intelligence agencies, there are many (such as William Binney, who helped design the NSA's Internet surveillance system) who reckon it's possible to track Tor users back to their originating IP.

He was last involved with developing those systems, almost 15 years ago, so if he thought it was possible then, you can guess how far their capabilities have come, in the last 15 years.

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