Grade Shaming

One eyed Jack wrote: »

One word - recognition!

People should be proud of their achievements, not having to hide them because little johnny down the back who never does a tap in class, now feels like crap because he's not at the top of the class. I mean, really, should they be surprised?

Society should, and does, recognise when people make an effort, when they put in the work to achieve things, and that shouldn't change for people who feel ashamed because they're not at the top of the leaderboard? Their "solution" is to do away with the leaderboard altogether? We live in a meritocracy, not in an idiocracy, thankfully.

If you want recognition, you can blow your own trumpet all you want. Plaster your grades all over your linkedin profile, your CV, tell everyone you meet, if somebody else wants privacy in relation to theirs, why should they be denied that? Maybe publish a partial list of those who have opted to be listed with their degree result. But I don't think a compulsory system of making the best ones feel good, through a "look at all the people underneath me" approach is fair or appropriate. You also seem to be assuming that the only reason someone would not want their grades published is because they do badly. I've done well in exams where I would have preferred that the results had not been published because I'm quite a private person and I don't think my personal information should be set out as fodder for nosiness and gossip. It's nobodys business but mine and my future employers.

my teapot is orange wrote: »

If you want recognition, you can blow your own trumpet all you want. Plaster your grades all over your linkedin profile, your CV, tell everyone you meet, if somebody else wants privacy in relation to theirs, why should they be denied that? Maybe publish a partial list of those who have opted to be listed with their degree result. But I don't think a compulsory system of making the best ones feel good, through a "look at all the people underneath me" approach is fair or appropriate. You also seem to be assuming that the only reason someone would not want their grades published is because they do badly. I've done well in exams where I would have preferred that the results had not been published because I'm quite a private person and I don't think my personal information should be set out as fodder for nosiness and gossip. It's nobodys business but mine and my future employers.

Isn't that what "a culture" of "grade-shaming" is?

Cambridge students have begun a campaign to allow far more undergraduates to opt out of the tradition of having their exam results posted on public notice boards at the end of term.

Almost 1,000 students have signed a petition criticising the practice for promoting a culture of “grade-shaming” and undermining undergraduates’ privacy.

If someone wants to keep the results of their exams private, then they probably shouldn't have chosen to go to Cambridge, a university that has produced some of the world's most well-known academics -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Cambridge#Notable_alumni_and_academics

And then there are the lesser notable academics that nobody ever hears of who can at least say they went to Cambridge. I don't think they're the sort will ever have to worry about privacy concerns with having their PhD theses published.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Isn't that what "a culture" of "grade-shaming" is?





If someone wants to keep the results of their exams private, then they probably shouldn't have chosen to go to Cambridge, a university that has produced some of the world's most well-known academics -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Cambridge#Notable_alumni_and_academics

And then there are the lesser notable academics that nobody ever hears of who can at least say they went to Cambridge. I don't think they're the sort will ever have to worry about privacy concerns with having their PhD theses published.

Fear of grade shaming is one reason a person might want grades private. There are many others.

We're not discussing Cambridge exclusively in this thread. We are discussing the concept in general. It applies to less famous institutions as well. I don't follow how private people should not go to famous, top-class universities anyway. Apparently, since Cambridge students are the ones who started this debate, they value their privacy too, or some of them at least.

If people aren't interested in knowing about you, why do they want the results published? There's major gossip around it every time it happens.

mariaalice wrote: »

Because that's life people talk about other people and mostly its just social chit chat they are not really that personally interested in you its some thing to talk about.

Let them find other topics of conversation rather than enabling them to pick over the personal information of others.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

People put more personal information on their FB for example Grades are no more personal than your what car you drive. Qualifications are On your CV.

Private people presumably wouldn't put this information on facebook.
Your CV only goes to the people you choose to send it to and they have a responsibility of confidentiality.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Not if it's on recruitment websites like jobs and all that. Ones academic achievements and schooling are necessary information in the real world. Will the same Idiot's want sporting achievements hidden you know as it may be embarrassing not coming first....

Again, you post on these websites by choice and choose your settings. My CV is only visible to verified recruiters, not googleable by any Tom, Dick or Harry. Academic achievements and schooling are only necessary information to those who might wish to employ me. I don't know where sports come into it.

Dimithy wrote: »

Not going to get in to the rest of you argument, but would you mind explaining your logic here?
What has Cambridge producing well known academics got to do with whether people want their grades publicly displayed?

Simply the comparison between previous academics of note that have helped Cambridge gain the reputation it has, and this latest crop of students that are taking that reputation and pissing all over it because they're expected to keep up the high standard that is expected of them.

my teapot is orange wrote: »

Fear of grade shaming is one reason a person might want grades private. There are many others.

We're not discussing Cambridge exclusively in this thread. We are discussing the concept in general. It applies to less famous institutions as well. I don't follow how private people should not go to famous, top-class universities anyway. Apparently, since Cambridge students are the ones who started this debate, they value their privacy too, or some of them at least.

My point is that people who want to avoid "grade shaming" and value keeping their exam results private should probably avoid entering any competitive environment, at all, especially a famous, top-class university where they value academic excellence over individual identity politics... or at least they used to anyway.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Which can be absolutely anyone. Sports is a very good analogy it's competition just like Grade results. Grades are one of the first things employers look at they are also used in automated CV systems to weed out candidates.

https://www.examinations.ie/?l=en&mc=ca&sc=sor

You can find out for €15

You can find out your own results.

I did ****e in my leaving. Got the worst in my year I believe. I did **** all study, so I didn't deserve to do well. I don't care if people know this, because that's what happened. Had to go a different route but I got into college in the end and worked harder. A few years behind my mates but learned a good lesson on not procrastinating and actually putting the work in.

This grade shaming thing is BS, if you're not happy with your grade then work harder, if you are happy with it then who gives a feck what other people think about it?

There's no shame in getting bad grades. It's just a sign you're not fit for the course. Which is fine the world needs ditch diggers too.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So short answer you can get the information.

Don't think I said that. Do you have a link?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Simply the comparison between previous academics of note that have helped Cambridge gain the reputation it has, and this latest crop of students that are taking that reputation and pissing all over it because they're expected to keep up the high standard that is expected of them.

Not wanting your grades publicly available = pissing all over the reputation of Cambridge?
Again, you're going to have to explain that one because you're still not really making any sense.