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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #3422
    stretch film
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Was trying to remember 09. Was able to afford to pay a full time wage to some one so mustn't have been too bad. 2012/13 was worse here

    The answer is on the back page of that report you got in the post yesterday .


  • #3423
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I hope you're right...'85 and '86 were two memorable years also.

    I meant in terms of the state of the farm here ha. If things ever got that bad again I'd have a for sale sign up on the place.


  • #3424
    stretch film
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I hope you're right...'85 and '86 were two memorable years also.

    Father bought a new slurry tanker summer of 84 . Drew water for months before ever he dirtied it. I remember when the winter barley was cut in the area he was feeding the straw straight away . Its like chocolate to them was a comment that sticks in the mind as they half killed themselves around the ring feeder.
    Not all hardship was rain induced.

    (Not to take away from the misery suffered in those wet summers. Some acot vids on youtube iirc )


  • #3425
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,812 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    stretch film wrote: »
    The answer is on the back page of that report you got in the post yesterday .

    Yes very interesting reading


  • #3426
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Greengrass1 wrote:
    Iost 6.5k last yr in fines due to milk quality. Stuff like thermo and then tbc with the old tanks.

    .. "gives GG'S old(est) tank a little extra polish and tells it to pay no attention"

    :)


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  • #3427
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    stretch film wrote: »
    Father bought a new slurry tanker summer of 84 . Drew water for months before ever he dirtied it. I remember when the winter barley was cut in the area he was feeding the straw straight away . Its like chocolate to them was a comment that sticks in the mind as they half killed themselves around the ring feeder.
    Not all hardship was rain induced.

    (Not to take away from the misery suffered in those wet summers. Some acot vids on youtube iirc )

    In fairness I remember '84 well. I made a ball of money that year only to blow it all in the two following years.


  • #3428
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    I know a few with rotary parlours not going bust :)

    There's fierce leaping up and down going on over there about price. The funny thing is price isn't the issue its massive amounts of bad debt on farms that's causing the problems.

    By bad debts I mean massive sheds, 4 big tractors, cows indoors and only lows or drys allowed out, shyte milking setups and an over reliance on bought in cake.

    They have loads if land while very few have any grazing infrastructure. They've gone down a yield at all costs system with calving Ayr and 30% of their cows always dry.

    It's selling half their kit and uncomplicating their systems they should be at instead of emptying shelves in Morrisons.

    I'm friendly with a few grass based guys over there and there's not a word out of them. They are quietly sitting in the wings awaiting opportunity just like they did in 09

    You said it
    https://twitter.com/JoeDelves/status/629000510029332480


  • #3429
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    kowtow wrote: »
    .. "gives GG'S old(est) tank a little extra polish and tells it to pay no attention"

    :)

    Lol bust my whole laughing. Tbf they weren't designed to be filled in one milking


  • #3430
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    You said it
    https://twitter.com/JoeDelves/status/629000510029332480

    Real subtle...


  • #3431
    stretch film
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭stretch film


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    You said it
    https://twitter.com/JoeDelves/status/629000510029332480

    Crass


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  • #3432
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    We had a brutal 2012/13 . only recovered from it in middle of 2014. Well used to controlling costs. Think some people got too used to good prices 😀
    When we got back milking in '87, everybody was giving out about the milk price at 80p a gallon saying they would need £1 a gallon to survive.

    We were delighted to get the 80p a gallon and the cashflow it brought with it. We made a good few bob in '88 when the milk price hit the £1 mark:)

    Perspective is everything.


  • #3433
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    When we got back milking in '87, everybody was giving out about the milk price at 80p a gallon saying they would need £1 a gallon to survive.

    We were delighted to get the 80p a gallon and the cashflow it brought with it. We made a good few bob in '88 when the milk price hit the £1 mark:)

    Perspective is everything.

    Mülder?


  • #3434
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Mülder?


    we had our own currency (the punt), & the green pound was devalued


  • #3435
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Real subtle...

    Someone else will be in if he isnt


  • #3436
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Someone else will be in if he isnt

    And I've been called arrogant...


    Edit. Usually people like that love to listen to themselves...


  • #3437
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Mülder?
    SLOM 1;)


  • #3438
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    SLOM 1;)

    Bought a nice little farm out of that...:)

    Happy days.


  • #3439
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Real subtle...

    To be fair, the local quadtrac crew would be in pretty soon i reckon on a fbt more likely


  • #3440
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    I dont think any dairyfarmer will go bust. I certainley hope not.

    The type of lads that go bust, are work shy dreamers that love shiney tractors and kit. Worlds apart from a lad who takes on a seven day a week job . Working at the ****ty end of a half ton mammal.


  • #3441
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,464 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ye could always go suckling.....:rolleyes:


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  • #3442
    mf240
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ye could always go suckling.....:rolleyes:

    A lad from the creamery called out last summer doing a survey on my future expansion plans.

    Told him if price dropped to low id leave the calves on the cows. He couldnt find a relevant box to tick for this option. So moved on to next question;)


  • #3443
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/article.php?id=186918


  • #3444
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Did I gather from the release that the combined venture proposes to sell a billion litres at 67 c a litre in aggregate?


  • #3445
    kevthegaff
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    frazzledhome wrote: »
    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/article.php?id=186918
    Id say this is going to be more common, wonder will arrabawn follow suit arra/tipp or arra/centenary


  • #3446
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Id say this is going to be more common, wonder will arrabawn follow suit arra/tipp or arra/centenary

    Centenary are too tied in with Glanbia. If they go any way it will be with them.


  • #3447
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Timmaay wrote: »
    09 was the big crunch here also, only delivered about 3300l per cow! Summer 2012 we shouldn't have been effected 1/2 as bad but the roadways in very poor shape, I remember cows crossing 3 paddocks to come in for milking, the closest to the parlour has a wet clay structure, the cows were wading through 2ft of muck and sh1te! Milk might be only at break even now but thank God them days over!



    In 09 we still got 29.6cpl avg for our milk here due to liquid and winter contracts-
    Have to admit that they cost us money when milk price is high but it's a bit of an insurance policy if anything

    It avgs out that over the years we are no better off financially but is better for cash flow

    At 85% spring calving now but have enough March calvers to fill quota


  • #3448
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Id say this is going to be more common, wonder will arrabawn follow suit arra/tipp or arra/centenary

    Should of sorted something with dairy gold Kev ,think we may regret not teasing that deal out further


  • #3449
    C0N0R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    stanflt wrote: »
    In 09 we still got 29.6cpl avg for our milk here due to liquid and winter contracts-
    Have to admit that they cost us money when milk price is high but it's a bit of an insurance policy if anything

    It avgs out that over the years we are no better off financially but is better for cash flow

    At 85% spring calving now but have enough March calvers to fill quota

    What do you mean cost you money when price is high? Is it not tied to base price? I'm trying to get my head around our liquid quota here and it's like pulling hens teeth with the auld lad


  • #3450
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Yep agreed Stan, thats all I see liquid milk as some fixed price milk, hence why I've never bothered putting any milk in the fixed price schemes.
    C0N0R wrote: »
    What do you mean cost you money when price is high? Is it not tied to base price? I'm trying to get my head around our liquid quota here and it's like pulling hens teeth with the auld lad

    Yes its tied to the base, but it doesn't fluxuate 1/2 as much, last year when the surplus was 39cent we were only getting about 36 for liquid. Liquid accounts for about 27% of our current supply of milk (and that figure reduces as we increase numbers), so in our case it won't sway our overall price of milk by much more than a cent.


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  • #3451
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,812 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    NMA sent out a news letter the other day on the back they have a table in 2009 average manufacturing price was 22.49 and liquid was 29.17 in 2014 manu was 36.92 and liquid was 38.15cpl all prices exclude vat


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