The Saverio Bellante Trial: Italian Man Killed Landlord and Then Ate His Heart.

Nodin · 02-08-2015 04:32AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Oh dear someone is trying to turn this thread into a dismal personal crusade....

Tom Cruise must be between movies.

suicide_circus · 02-08-2015 09:00AM

People using this thread as a round about method of iona bashing need to have a little word with themselves. As for Bellante, if he is so disturbed that, lets say he forgot to take his meds for a couple of days (easily done), he will quite possibly commit a gruesome murder....then I'm sorry, he needs to be detained.

Nodin · 02-08-2015 11:50AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

People using this thread as a round about method of iona bashing need to have a little word with themselves. As for Bellante, if he is so disturbed that, lets say he forgot to take his meds for a couple of days (easily done), he will quite possibly commit a gruesome murder....then I'm sorry, he needs to be detained.

If you bothered to read the thread, you'd see he was taken off his drugs.

LDN_Irish · 02-08-2015 12:00PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

People using this thread as a round about method of iona bashing need to have a little word with themselves.

Who has done that? I've just reread the thread and there hand been a single criticism of either the victim or the Iona Institute except one person who said "just because he worked for the Iona Institute didn't mean he deserved this" (paraphrased) so what are you referring to?

wakka12 · 02-08-2015 12:01PM

I hate the Iona Institute but I don't think any of its workers deserve to have their heart eaten out of their chest..RIP, feel bad for any friends and family he has

take everything · 02-08-2015 12:04PM

Pretty Fast, is it true you did all your own stunts for the new mission impossible film. I find that hard to believe.

fran17 · 02-08-2015 12:31PM

Nodin wrote: »

If you bothered to read the thread, you'd see he was taken off his drugs.

Yes that is true,which only gives greater credence to the view being explored by Pretty Fast.Suicide Circus was not disputing the fact that his medication was withdrawn,merely highlighting the danger that individuals such as Mr.Bellante possess in general.What's to stop people with such disorders deciding they wish to stop there medication and drop of the radar totally?
Personally I think such individuals should be detained indefinitely.Harsh maybe,but necessary.

suicide_circus · 02-08-2015 01:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yea, just because he worked for something as deplorable as the Iona Institute doesn't mean he should have been killed

I'm pretty sure that sentence is using this murder to have a backhanded go at the iona institute. I'm no fan of the iona btw, much more of the opus dei man myself

And to answer Nodin, yes on this occasion he was taken off the meds but in the future he could easily take a notion to stop taking them or as I said earlier, just as easily forget to take them at which point he apparently becomes an extremely dangerous force of nature. Public safety trumpa his right to liberty and until he is proven to be no more of a risk than your average joe I think he should be detained and receive on going treatment.

Cold War Kid · 02-08-2015 01:07PM

But look at the rest of boneyarsebogman's post - it's about how people can be disgusting and how people who bring Iona into it are like those mocking Enda Kenny's mother (as an aside, I never heard about that - sick fuqs).

Nobody's doing that on this thread at all - it's more like a pre-emptive strike.

suicide_circus · 02-08-2015 01:13PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

But look at the rest of boneyarsebogman's post - it's about how people can be disgusting and how people who bring Iona into it are like those mocking Enda Kenny's mother (as an aside, I never heard about that - sick fuqs).

Nobody's doing that on this thread at all - it's more like a pre-emptive strike.

We'll agree to disagree.

LDN_Irish · 02-08-2015 01:13PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that sentence is using this murder to have a backhanded go at the iona institute. I'm no fan of the iona btw, much more of the opus dei man myself

The poster you've quoted is doing no such thing and is actually saying exactly what you are. It's amazing that you've taken that from his post given the bit that came directly after that you didn't quote.

02-08-2015 01:19PM

Pretty fast wrote: »

Laing exposed the fickle nature of psychiatry.

Bluffers.

You should stop digging mate! Laing was against conventional psychiatric treatments, you know, like imprisoning the mentally ill.

He didn't deny the existence of mental illness at all, he just wanted to take a more liberal approach to it. It's actually amusing to see you how endorse the views of RD Laing of all people, and simultaneously claim to want Bellante locked up!

suicide_circus · 02-08-2015 01:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yea, just because he worked for something as deplorable as the Iona Institute doesn't mean he should have been killed the way he was. Anyone that says so needs to get their heads examined. It's like those Enda Kenny protestors that put out a banner mocking his dead mother. Some people are just disgusting.

boneyarsebogman condemns anyone who suggests that the victim deserved to die like that because he worked for the iona. But tacked onto that sentiment is the very clear statement that the iona is a deplorable Iinstitution. My argument is that a horror of this nature is a tacky forum to comment on the merits of the victims place of work.

Pretty fast · 02-08-2015 01:57PM

Your brain is too small lad. You're not able to understand.

G_R · 02-08-2015 02:56PM

Mod:

Pretty fast, don't post in this thread again please. You're just trolling at this stage.

Nodin · 02-08-2015 04:49PM

fran17 wrote: »

Yes that is true,which only gives greater credence to the view being explored by Pretty Fast.Suicide Circus was not disputing the fact that his medication was withdrawn,merely highlighting the danger that individuals such as Mr.Bellante possess in general.What's to stop people with such disorders deciding they wish to stop there medication and drop of the radar totally?
Personally I think such individuals should be detained indefinitely.Harsh maybe,but necessary.

Ehhh, no?

When somebody stops taking their drugs, bring it up then. Your compassion for those so afflicted is noted, however.

suicide circus wrote:

And to answer Nodin, yes on this occasion he was taken off the meds but in the
future he could easily take a notion to stop taking them or as I said earlier,
just as easily forget to take them at which point he apparently becomes an
extremely dangerous force of nature.

Considering he'd manage to remember for the previous decade, I'd say its an unreasonable move.

suicide_circus · 02-08-2015 06:12PM

Reasonable seems to be subjective here. I'm fairly sure he wont be living in another houseshare any time soon.

02-08-2015 06:30PM

fran17 wrote: »

Personally I think such individuals should be detained indefinitely.Harsh maybe,but necessary.

I hope neither you or anybody in your family has to live with a psychosis disorder or you might realise what a hurtful thing that is to say. I think it's amazing that we have to show quiet respect to dead foreign celebrities like Cilla Black, and that people show such (undoubtedly sincere) compassion for a dead lion, but vile opinions spewed online about permanently locking-away the mentally ill go mostly unremarked.

I suppose you'd have gladly deprived the world of men like Jack Kerouac and Nijinsky and the mathematician John Forbes Nash? Locked them away in a prison for fear of what they might do, when all they created were monumental works in their own respective fields?

It's people with psychoses who need to be spared from the idle thoughts and tyrannical delusions of the empty-headed fools who cannot distinguish between a sick person and a criminal.

Wright · 03-08-2015 10:06AM

Pretty fast wrote: »

Is that right? Who prescribed this medication for him? Some bluffer shrink is it? Some chancer with a degree is it? Are you getting the message now?

People are idiots.

Yeeesh. Sounds like you might need some time with a bluffer shrink yourself.

fran17 · 12-08-2015 09:25PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I hope neither you or anybody in your family has to live with a psychosis disorder or you might realise what a hurtful thing that is to say. I think it's amazing that we have to show quiet respect to dead foreign celebrities like Cilla Black, and that people show such (undoubtedly sincere) compassion for a dead lion, but vile opinions spewed online about permanently locking-away the mentally ill go mostly unremarked.

I suppose you'd have gladly deprived the world of men like Jack Kerouac and Nijinsky and the mathematician John Forbes Nash? Locked them away in a prison for fear of what they might do, when all they created were monumental works in their own respective fields?

It's people with psychoses who need to be spared from the idle thoughts and tyrannical delusions of the empty-headed fools who cannot distinguish between a sick person and a criminal.

Of course I have no idea what it must be like to have a family member suffering from any form of psychosis and I pray I never will.I have nothing but the deepest sympathy for anybody in such situations.
When I speak of individuals being detained indefinitely I speak of individuals who fall into the Saverio Bellante bracket only.Mr.Bellante killed and ate the heart of his landlord a mere 48 hours after stopping one of this medications.I personally think that is an unacceptable risk to society as a whole and I feel the judgement today,of detaining Mr.Bellante indefinitely in the central mental hospital,was the correct one.
Of course people who experience and live with psychosis have much to offer the world but I'm not sure if the family of the murder victim who's body Kerouac helped dump in the Hudson river would agree.

Nodin · 12-08-2015 10:26PM

fran17 wrote: »

Of course I have no idea what it must be like to have a family member suffering from any form of psychosis and I pray I never will.I have nothing but the deepest sympathy for anybody in such situations.
When I speak of individuals being detained indefinitely I speak of individuals who fall into the Saverio Bellante bracket only.Mr.Bellante killed and ate the heart of his landlord a mere 48 hours after stopping one of this medications.I personally think that is an unacceptable risk to society as a whole and I feel the judgement today,of detaining Mr.Bellante indefinitely in the central mental hospital,was the correct one.
Of course people who experience and live with psychosis have much to offer the world but I'm not sure if the family of the murder victim who's body Kerouac helped dump in the Hudson river would agree.

....after he was told to go off his medications. He's managed to keep it together for the previous decade without known incident. Why should somebody lose the rest of their existence because of an illness and an incident which was clearly not performed while they were sane and due to following medical advice?

Hat to disappoint you but "Indefinite" means he can be kept as long as he's considered a danger, afaik, not that he will be detained indefinitely.

fran17 · 12-08-2015 11:00PM

Nodin wrote: »

....after he was told to go off his medications. He's managed to keep it together for the previous decade without known incident. Why should somebody lose the rest of their existence because of an illness and an incident which was clearly not performed while they were sane and due to following medical advice?

Hat to disappoint you but "Indefinite" means he can be kept as long as he's considered a danger, afaik, not that he will be detained indefinitely.

The man was not merely existing as you so compassionately put it.He obtained a degree in politics in university,was previously in a long term relationship,worked for a pharmaceutical company and had substantial savings.This is precisely the reason why this case is so shocking,in that over such a short period of time his condition can deteriorate so shockingly and result in such a cataclysmic outcome.
You could never disappoint me Nodin but I think you know where I'm coming from here.There is no set period of time for his detention and considering the extreme danger to society he possesses I think we can safely say its long term.

The Saverio Bellante Trial: Italian Man Killed Landlord and Then Ate His Heart.

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