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Running in the Real World

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Monday 20 July: Recovery Run
    Nice little 3.34 mi @ 10:11/mi (5.37K @ 6:20) to shake out the legs, around Griffith Avenue and Drumcondra.

    Tuesday, 21 July: 10.5K Easy @ 6:17 (6.53 mi @ 10:06)
    Back in God’s country for this, did the usual local loop with a few extra Km thrown in. I can only run 6 days this week because I’m travelling on Sunday, and am determined to hit the mileage goal for once! Felt great on this run, hills and all, finished feeling energetic… looks like Fingal might have cleared out the funk and refreshed me :)

    And now that I look at the pace for both of these runs, just a little fast… I’m scolding myself before anybody else does :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    annapr wrote: »
    And now that I look at the pace for both of these runs, just a little fast… I’m scolding myself before anybody else does :P

    I don't think that's too fast, based on the recent 10K it looks about right ? Maybe at the faster end of the range but not worth a scolding I'd have thought ? You've got your mojo back anyway which is the main thing :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Killerz


    aquinn wrote: »
    Obviously due to the calm and relaxing lift, I have a very calming presence really.

    Are you too calming, somewhat horizontal? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Killerz wrote: »
    Are you too calming, somewhat horizontal? :D

    ....only when she's in Dublin Bay....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Wednesday, 22 July: 5 Miles Easy
    5.19 @ 10:04/mi; 8.35 Km @ 6:15/Km
    Lovely run, out and back, felt like no distance and the legs felt great. Also did a 2.5 mile walk with the boys (they were very proud of how far they walked), to see some pigs in a field, roaming free. Very exciting. This is what we do for entertainment around here.

    Thursday, 23 July: Rest
    Was supposed to do 10 miles, but ran out of babysitters and had visitors so had to put it off.

    Friday, 24 July: 10 miles with 6 @ MP (actually 16K with 10k @ MP)
    9.94mi @ 9:38/mi; 16K @ 5:59/k
    Drove back to Dublin, then did this with D... what else are you going to do when you haven't seen your other half for 5 days but go for a 10mile run together? :) ...out the seafront, a loop of St. Anne's then home on the sea front. Think we might have passed Duanington on his way home from work, but it might have been just a random friendly runner.

    Anyhow, the 10k @ MP were great, effort felt good, not too challenging. I was aiming for 5:50/km, which is 4:06 marathon pace. Probably a little ambitious but it will do for now. Splits were a bit all over the shop:
    5:50, 5:45, 5:42, 5:51, 5:34, 5:52, 5:40, 6:03, 5:33, 5:35 (from 8:56-9:44/mi)

    D took off to do a fast finish, and I struggled through the 3k cooldown... for the first time ever, I thought I might actually faint outside Fairview Park, I was very happy to stop on exactly 16k. Made my way to the spar and refuelled with a sports drink and a 9 bar and walked slowly home through the Ed Sheeran fans. I was hungry heading out, lesson learned again... no running without food for me!

    Saturday, 25 July: LSR
    10.59mi @ 10:34/mi ; 17k @ 6:35/k
    The plan called for 16 miles tomorrow... and the MP session was supposed to be Thursday, but my week backed up on itself... travelling tomorrow, so headed off to attempt 16 miles today, tired and after one (or two) glasses of wine too many last night.

    My legs were creaking audibly for the first couple of K, but then settled into it and enjoyed the run. Met up with D in the PPark after about 10k and did the lovely trails. We stopped to chat to a friend on Military Road for a few minutes and my legs were screaming starting up again. D had parked at the Polo Grounds, so I gratefully gave in to the temptation to take a lift home and called it a day, and a week, at 17k. I either wimped out or listened to my body, take your pick :p

    Flying early tomorrow morning to Greece, no doubt that will wreak havoc with the plan again :) clearly I'm not dedicated enough to my running. No wait, it's warm weather and altitude training :)

    WTD: 57.28 Km/ 35.6 Mi ...Plan called for 40 mi... :(
    MTD: 198.6 Km/ 123 Mi... already highest month ever, think I can make it to 200Km
    YTD: 1,047 Km/ 651 Mi... crossed the 1,000Km barrier this week!

    ....now to consider packing... ugh...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    You're putting in some solid weeks now Anna - that was me with the backpack alright, trying to look like it doesn't slow me down :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Enjoy the hols.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Yes enjoy the hols :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Enjoy the hols Anna


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Mrs Mc wrote: »
    Enjoy the hols Anna

    + 1 have a lovely time :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Enjoy your holliers Anna :):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭racheljev


    Just come back from 35C at 10 in the morning, warm weather training is the way to go :) Enjoy your hols.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Monday, 26 July: 6.3 Mi/10k in 1:18 -- slowest 10k ever, alternated walking and running. 250m elevation gain!

    7am run from Aristi to Vikos with D, temperature perfect, but still sweating. I really struggled through the first 3-4 Km, very puffed, couldn't seem to get my breathing right at all, wondered if the elevation was having an effect, shouldn't be high enough at 600-700m. Also with all the sweating, and not having any water with me, maybe a bit dehydrated.

    Struggled on to Vikos, where we were rewarded with spectacular views of the Vikos Gorge, apparently as deep as the Grand Canyon in places. We also contributed to the Greek economy by spending all of 50c on two bottles of water... a lovely Greek lady named Dora was just opening her shop/cafe and welcomed us in, trying to communicate to us in her few words of German... She didn't want to charge us for the water, but we insisted, D gave her 5 euro and she gave us 4:50 back!!! Some confusion was caused by D asking her for 'fleisch' (meat) wasser instead of 'flasche' (bottle). Somehow we muddled through. :)

    Felt much better on the way back and started to realise how uphill it had been on the way to Vikos, the water revived me a good bit.

    We passed one runner, a guy we saw here yesterday. There was some sort of ultra event on here over the weekend. The other sight of the morning was a pickup truck passing us, an old lady standing in the back -- skinny, her hair like a fuzzy white halo, standing straight... like a religious icon in the back of the truck.


    Tuesday, 28 July: 5.1 mi @ 10:04/mi; 8.2 Km @ 6:16/Km
    Out again around 7 this morning, felt much better, breathing stronger. By myself this time because D was doing an LT session. Lovely run on very quiet road, really enjoyed the downhill on the way back. Noticed that I was dripping with sweat, even though the temperature was only 16-17 C and very comfortable. Turns out the humidity was 90%+, that (and the hills) explains how puffed I was yesterday.

    A mere 180m elevation gain today.

    Felt very virtuous, tucking into a big breakfast afterwards :) D made up for his session by having 4 cakes as his 'breakfast dessert'. :)

    My plan call for a progression run tomorrow, that won't be happening... the only progression I will be doing will be getting further up the hill without stopping :)

    This a beautiful place, who woulda thunk a great holiday is one where you can run up and down mountains at 7am :D Mad!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Hey. Only three cakes. Plus that biscuity chocolatey yoghurt thing. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Hey. Only three cakes. Plus that biscuity chocolatey yoghurt thing. ;)

    those two words right there spell cake :D but you earned it so no problemo :cool:

    sounds glorious Anna, am super jealous!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    hey annapr
    hope you're enjoying the hols!
    I've been reading your Cork Half report for some inspiration for my upcoming half. Great report btw.

    I see you took a few gels during the race. Just wondering if you found the gels beneficial at all on the day? Do you think they made much of a difference if any? Will you take them for your next half? As a matter of interest, what ones did you take?
    thanks:) and sorry for all the questions!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Ososlo wrote: »
    hey annapr
    hope you're enjoying the hols!
    I've been reading your Cork Half report for some inspiration for my upcoming half. Great report btw.

    I see you took a few gels during the race. Just wondering if you found the gels beneficial at all on the day? Do you think they made much of a difference if any? Will you take them for your next half? As a matter of interest, what ones did you take?
    thanks:) and sorry for all the questions!!!

    +1, interested in this too. I'm almost up to half distance in training now and haven't needed any food/gels or water, so thinking about doing the half in Sept without carrying anything and just relying on the water stations on the day. Don't know if the increased pace on the day would affect the need for fuel ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    +1, interested in this too. I'm almost up to half distance in training now and haven't needed any food/gels or water, so thinking about doing the half in Sept without carrying anything and just relying on the water stations on the day. Don't know if the increased pace on the day would affect the need for fuel ?

    The last two half's in the park have been incredibly hot. I haven't used gels but would recommend water bottle. It's a tough course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Ososlo wrote: »
    hey annapr
    hope you're enjoying the hols!
    I've been reading your Cork Half report for some inspiration for my upcoming half. Great report btw.

    I see you took a few gels during the race. Just wondering if you found the gels beneficial at all on the day? Do you think they made much of a difference if any? Will you take them for your next half? As a matter of interest, what ones did you take?
    thanks:) and sorry for all the questions!!!
    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    +1, interested in this too. I'm almost up to half distance in training now and haven't needed any food/gels or water, so thinking about doing the half in Sept without carrying anything and just relying on the water stations on the day. Don't know if the increased pace on the day would affect the need for fuel ?
    aquinn wrote: »
    The last two half's in the park have been incredibly hot. I haven't used gels but would recommend water bottle. It's a tough course.

    Hey ladies, greetings from Greece. I did take 2 gels in cork and I think in last year's Dublin HM too. If I remember right I took one in cork at around 4-5 miles and the second at 9-10. Rationale being to get an energy boost after about 5 miles when initial energy starts to flag and for the home stretch. TBH, I have no idea if they work, maybe a psychological effect as much as anything, which may be important. I rarely use them training. I use high 5 citrus gels which are very mild and easy to take. And try to take them right before or at a water station.

    Agree with Aoife re water, but if there are lots of water stations with BOTTLES not cups then I wouldn't bother carrying my own. Cups are a nightmare.

    It's very individual though but I find I need water after an hour of easy running. Also if you can guarantee cool damp weather that helps a lot too! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I always take a gel or two during a HM too although it's probably a comfort thing. Coincidentally, my worst half was my second, when I left my gels at the bag drop. If you're used to them, they'll hardly do any harm, although most of us should have enough glycogen for two hours hard running anyway. Definitely take with water, and experiment with brands/flavours. I use Kinetica or High 5. The chocolate mint flavour Gu brand used to be a thing around here a while back too. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Ok, way behind with logging and also behind the plan... so to finish off week of July 26th...

    Wednesday, 29 July: Hike into the Vikos Gorge... beautiful! only 5k but all we could manage in the heat.

    Thursday, 30 July: 5.2 mi @ 10:15/mi
    Another hilly early morning run, felt like I was starting to get the hang of it.

    Friday, Saturday... Rest, too bloody hot for running in Corfu. Had a few dips in the Med to cool down but can't say the effort was enough to count as cross-training.

    Sunday, 2 August: 25K LSR in 2:45 (6:36/km)
    Got home in time to watch Dublin v Fermanagh, after a very entertaining last ten minutes, headed out to attempt the 16 miles that was in the plan for last week.

    Went out the coast beyond Sutton, looped back to Baldoyle and back in the coast. This was a lovely route and I enjoyed the cool summer evening after the heat of the previous week. I felt good for the first 12-15K but gradually pain took over and my legs hurt badly for the final 10k. I ended up half a mile short of the planned 16 miles, but I was in so much pain that I didn’t care, hobbling home. My legs were in bits all next day, someone even asked me was I limping.

    These LSR’s have been so disheartening and depressing. At the end of this one, I was ready to forget DCM this year, it was too depressing to contemplate this pain every weekend between now and October.

    So WTD: 52Km/32 miles. The plan has 44-50 miles for this week, so I'm way off. Had a quick look at the Boards plan though and more in line with that for this week.

    Also, did 225Km/140 mi for July... approximately double last year's July mileage and my highest month ever, so I consoled myself that all is not lost. If only I could get the LSR's working.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Hard luck yesterday, the flag came down today for another year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Monday, 3 August -- See above, Rest required because of pain in my legs.

    Tuesday, 4 August -- Rest again due to apathy. I did do some aqua-jogging (ok paddling) at the beach in Donegal which felt fantastic.

    Wednesday, 5 August… 8.3K @ 6:10/Km. 5.2 mi @ 10:00/mi
    Local loop in light rain, very pleasant and easy, felt good, before heading back to Dublin.

    Thursday, 6 August... 10 miles @ 10:06/mi; 16.4 km @6:17/Km;

    The plan called for 10-12 miles with 2 x 4 @ MP. Met up with aquinn for this. We didn’t really pay any attention to the pace, too busy yakking. Looking at the splits we did about 4 miles at my MP. We went out the Howth Road, out the Coast a bit and back through St Anne’s and the seafront. We stopped at the Esso station beside the Yacht club for water and detoured to see the famous boat. I was suitably impressed, I know I would never be able to manage it.

    Enjoyable run and always good to have company. But even with A's positivity, I started to slow on the way home. Once again, my legs were very tired by 10th mile, and sore after. When the 10 miles were done, I wasn’t running a step further and walked the rest of the way home, to A’s surprise.

    Friday, 7 August - Rest, no opportunity to get out.

    Saturday, 8 August — Used my babysitting credits to go to Croker for quarter finals. Unlike going for a run, I thought I may regret that decision, if Mayo hammer us again. In the end, it could have been worse. And some Oscar worthy performances from Tyrone.

    Sunday, 9 August. 11k Easy @ 6:01/Km; 6.8 mi @ 9:41/mi
    The plan called for an 18 mile LSR today, but there was no way I could convince myself to do that. So I wimped out and had an enjoyable run instead. Felt good throughout. Considered going longer and doing a proper lsr but decided to quit while still feeling good. Did some strides and a faster km or 2, just for fun.

    WTD: 35.7K/22.2Mi (about half what's in the plan :o)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    tang1 wrote: »
    Hard luck yesterday, the flag came down today for another year.

    ah well, the best team won in both games. I didn't have high expectations for it. Have to resort to supporting the Dubs now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Do you really want to run DCM, your heart doesn't seem to be in it if i'm honest. If thats the case forget about it and concentrate on some shorter stuff for the year. You know yourself you cant scrimp on the miles training for it.

    Edit: Just to clarify, i'm not advising you to pull out of DCM, just asking do you really want to run it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Give it a couple more weeks before thinking of pulling out maybe? I remember during the 7Hills training I was pretty flattened by the first few tough weeks, then after I got used to it the weeks after were much easier.

    The Greece trip sounds great :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    you're not considering pulling out Anna are you? did you ask the plan creator about the tired legs? perhaps its supposed to be the case? I know some plans work on the basis of the long run being done on tired legs? what is D saying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    Hi Anna, sorry to hear you are still struggling a little on the mojo front. The long runs are so much harder when you are mentally not in the zone. If I was you I would start by reading back over your race report from DCM last year to remind yourself why you are putting yourself through it all again. I just did (actually it's the first time I read it - good read. Enjoyed it) and it is clear that last year you went into DCM feeling a little under trained/ prepared. To compensate you may have taken too big a step forward. Starting the "Meno" plan increased the intensity of your running by bringing in speed work, tempo, etc at the same time (I know you had done some of this before Cork but it is still new to your body this year) as increasing the no of days that you run and the overall mileage. It is a hell of a lot to take in when last year on the HH1 you only had 3 runs of 16m or more....so if you include DCM that is only 4 "long" runs (i.e. run over 16m) in the last 12 months. When you compare that to what you are trying to do now you can see why the body may be hurting. I presume you have also dropped the MP target so you are also trying to run the long runs at a faster speed than last year.

    My take on it for what it is worth would be that you have taken on a lot and if you stick with it you will get there but there would be no shame in looking at a half way house. There is plenty of time to regig the plan and lower the intensity if needed by either reducing the number of sessions or the paces that you are running them at to let your body adjust to one thing at a time. This would hopefully reduce the ongoing pain and gets you back into a place where you can "enjoy" the LSR again. Lower intensity might effect your overall final time in DCM but missing the LSRs will effect the entire experience.

    Keep the FAITH!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Firedance wrote: »
    you're not considering pulling out Anna are you? did you ask the plan creator about the tired legs? perhaps its supposed to be the case? I know some plans work on the basis of the long run being done on tired legs? what is D saying?

    Hmmm FD, I would offer some advice but after reading this post I don't think I'll bother :)
    annapr wrote: »
    ah well, the best team won in both games. I didn't have high expectations for it. Have to resort to supporting the Dubs now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Hmmm FD, I would offer some advice but after reading this post I don't think I'll bother :)

    ha ha don't be like that!! in her defence (not that she needs me to defend her...) she does LIVE in Dublin and the law is, if your team is out thow shalt support the team of the county you live in - oh crap, no wait.. that's not right.. :eek:


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