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Sean O'Rourke Today Show

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  • #2732
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,127 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Wonder will ivanna be running in the next general election or has she taken the hint after not getting in so many times


  • #2733
    BarryD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭BarryD


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Michael O'Regan talks an awful lot of sense - there comes a time when you just have to cut your losses

    IMVHO, Michael O'Regan talks a lot of nonsense - the Anti Irish Water thing he fulminates about was as much a creature of the media as anything else. The hacks were searching for a story, any story, any angle that could show that the Irish public would revolt against austerity.

    Those that wanted to stir the pot got lucky eventually and the thing took off. But do Michael O'Regan and other journos like him put their hands up now - no, they just wash their hands of their own involvement and continue to stick the boot in.

    The weird thing is that Irish Water for all its faults is very necessary and people should be paying for the amount of water they use. This governments big mistake is in not sticking to their original plans of metered water, with meaningful sanctions against those who will not pay.


  • #2734
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    BarryD wrote: »
    IMVHO, Michael O'Regan talks a lot of nonsense - the Anti Irish Water thing he fulminates about was as much a creature of the media as anything else. The hacks were searching for a story, any story, any angle that could show that the Irish public would revolt against austerity.

    Those that wanted to stir the pot got lucky eventually and the thing took off. But do Michael O'Regan and other journos like him put their hands up now - no, they just wash their hands of their own involvement and continue to stick the boot in.

    The weird thing is that Irish Water for all its faults is very necessary and people should be paying for the amount of water they use. This governments big mistake is in not sticking to their original plans of metered water, with meaningful sanctions against those who will not pay.


    I don't disagree with you & I am totally in favour of the user paying for water as anyother utility but if you leave an open goal you can hardly complain when someone comes along & kicks a ball into it. ;)


  • #2735
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »
    So Ivana thinks no-one should be made redundant no matter how overstaffed it is? And this is the reason why eurostat didn't give it a nod and a wink

    The Seanad is also overstaffed with individuals who serve no meaningful purpose. Our senators are kindred spirits with the staff of Irish Water.


  • #2736
    BarryD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭BarryD


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    The Seanad is also overstaffed with individuals who serve no meaningful purpose. Our senators are kindred spirits with the staff of Irish Water.

    Well we had our chance to abolish the Seanad, an open goal and missed from point blank range.


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  • #2737
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    The Seanad is also overstaffed with individuals who serve no meaningful purpose. Our senators are kindred spirits with the staff of Irish Water.

    Ditto the Dail and much of the apparatus of State.

    ****



  • #2738
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    BarryD wrote: »
    IMVHO, Michael O'Regan talks a lot of nonsense - the Anti Irish Water thing he fulminates about was as much a creature of the media as anything else. The hacks were searching for a story, any story, any angle that could show that the Irish public would revolt against austerity.

    Those that wanted to stir the pot got lucky eventually and the thing took off. But do Michael O'Regan and other journos like him put their hands up now - no, they just wash their hands of their own involvement and continue to stick the boot in.

    The weird thing is that Irish Water for all its faults is very necessary and people should be paying for the amount of water they use. This governments big mistake is in not sticking to their original plans of metered water, with meaningful sanctions against those who will not pay.

    Nothing weird about it. Payment on consumption was and still is the most sensible and equitable system but they bottled it (pun intended.)

    A decent free allowance along with metered charges over and above would raise revenue from where it should be, influence behaviour and put it on the same basis as payment for all other utilities.

    I have some sympathy for Irish Water trying to do an important job against the background of hysterical, opportunistic and nonsensical protests and a loss of political resolve and support that is very uncharacteristic of a government that has been exemplary in driving through necessary change in other areas.


  • #2739
    Bits_n_Bobs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    First Up wrote: »
    a government that has been exemplary in driving through necessary change in other areas.

    You mean in areas like health, justice, the legal profession, banking, childcare, planning or immigration? Or am I missing some other stellar area of reform?


  • #2740
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    BarryD wrote: »
    Well we had our chance to abolish the Seanad, an open goal and missed from point blank range.

    An open goal until vested interests such as Democracy Matters, and assorted cranks and nutjobs duped the electorate into retaining it.


  • #2741
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »
    You mean in areas like health, justice, the legal profession, banking, childcare, planning or immigration? Or am I missing some other stellar area of reform?

    Sorting the economy which was the absolute priority. Everything else follows.


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  • #2742
    Bits_n_Bobs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    First Up wrote: »
    Sorting the economy which was the absolute priority. Everything else follows.

    Apologies, I assume other people believe society is the priority.

    You are of course correct - they did an awesome job securing the prom-notes and then following the course plotted out by the troika and FF.

    The economy is indeed rattling along on the basis of increasing GDP, of which we have the second highest in the EU (Eurostat). People who believe that the 'economy' as measured by GDP is a bit simplistic might argue that living standards are much more interesting. Which in Ireland is 10% below the EU average (Eurostat).


  • #2743
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,495 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »
    Apologies, I assume other people believe society is the priority.

    Try funding a society with no cash.


  • #2744
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    L1011 wrote: »
    Try funding a society with no cash.

    Exactly ... but some people do still belive in the magic money fairy :rolleyes:


  • #2745
    Bits_n_Bobs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    L1011 wrote: »
    Try funding a society with no cash.

    As I said - simplistic.


  • #2746
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »
    As I said - simplistic.

    The obvious often is.


  • #2747
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,127 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Exactly ... but some people do still belive in the magic money fairy :rolleyes:

    but the magic money fairy sends some believers to meet their socialist magic money fairy believing brethren in Greece


  • #2748
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Exactly ... but some people do still belive in the magic money fairy :rolleyes:

    You mean like fianna fail who bankrupt the country while in Government, or fine Gael who wanted them to spend even MORE while on the opposition benches?

    Magic money tree indeed!


  • #2749
    Bits_n_Bobs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    neris wrote: »
    but the magic money fairy sends some believers to meet their socialist magic money fairy believing brethren in Greece

    Of course it's the 6 months of economic misrule by the socialists that bankrupted the Greek economy, rather than the preceeding 25 years of 'economic growth' policies that did it.

    I have zero interest in anything to do with 'socialism' but claims that shambles such as Irish Water are somehow mitigated by FG's revolutionary 'economic policies' (of which there are precisely zero) are just weird.


  • #2750
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    michael999999 wrote: »
    You mean like fianna fail who bankrupt the country while in Government, or fine Gael who wanted them to spend even MORE while on the opposition benches?

    Magic money tree indeed!

    The significant point being "while on the opposition benches"
    It's a bit like if I spend the housekeeping on sweets for the kids and then complain when they are hungry "but ye wanted me to buy even more sweets".


  • #2751
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »
    Of course it's the 6 months of economic misrule by the socialists that bankrupted the Greek economy, rather than the preceeding 25 years of 'economic growth' policies that did it.

    I have zero interest in anything to do with 'socialism' but claims that shambles such as Irish Water are somehow mitigated by FG's revolutionary 'economic policies' (of which there are precisely zero) are just weird.

    Other way round. It is the "revolutionary" policies of Syriza that cut the hole in their safety net, whereas the slow, steady and - yes, painful - approach of their predecessors was starting to work.

    In our case, the approach has been slow, steady and - yes, painful - and it has worked, while some have been courting popularity by promising "revolutionary" policies.

    That is why the muddle they have made of water charges is so surprising and disappointing.


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  • #2752
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    //MOD

    People; politics goes in the Political cafe; so let's return on topic shall we?

    //MOD


  • #2753
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Wonder does Trump ever look in the mirror? Probably he has someone to look for him. What a sad excuse for a human being


  • #2754
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Wonder does Trump ever look in the mirror? Probably he has someone to look for him. What a sad excuse for a human being

    Even sadder human beings are the Republican party members who think him the best of seventeen candidates to run for president.


  • #2755
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,127 ✭✭✭✭neris


    At least if trmp gets elected himself and kim jong un could reopen diplomatic ties by talking about dodgy hair do,s


  • #2756
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Is this a Pat Shortt sketch? FF concerned for what's "good for the country" ... and pigs will fly


  • #2757
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,372 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Not specific to the SO'R show, but has anyone else noticed that the same topics keep cropping up on different shows, not only on different stations but even within RTE.

    This is the second time in two or three days that I've heard about this exotic animal sanctuary, and I'm fairly sure the other report was also on RTE (haven't listened to NT in quite a while).

    And as for pre-election voting pacts - I've heard that debated and interrogated on nearly every current affairs show for the last four or five days - are we going to be subjected to this for the next 8 months?

    Variety seems to be a scarce resource on radio these days.


  • #2758
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,127 ✭✭✭✭neris


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    Not specific to the SO'R show, but has anyone else noticed that the same topics keep cropping up on different shows, not only on different stations but even within RTE.


    Variety seems to be a scarce resource on radio these days.

    it seems to happen alot between Morning Ireland & Newstalk Breakfast & Pat kenny & Sean O'Rourke. Ive often heard the same person (normally a politician) having interviews aired at the same time on both stations (and before anyone states the bleedin obvious yes i know at least one will have been recorded)


  • #2759
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    neris wrote: »
    it seems to happen alot between Morning Ireland & Newstalk Breakfast & Pat kenny & Sean O'Rourke. Ive often heard the same person (normally a politician) having interviews aired at the same time on both stations (and before anyone states the bleedin obvious yes i know at least one will have been recorded)

    It's August


  • #2760
    Radio5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Radio5


    It's not unique to national radio either. I think I heard the same politician on all 3 Cork stations this week talking about the Weekend in Crookhaven.


    Heard a bit of today's discussion on divorce. Maybe this was alluded to but I would have felt that it was fairly relevant to recent divorce figures, that we've had a recession in this country since 2007/08. It's been a struggle to have money to run 1 household let alone 2. I know cases where people have stayed together in the one house because they can't afford to separate or have moved back in because they can't afford to live apart.


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  • #2761
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    I don't understand this argument ... it's patently obvious that if there is a so-called "subsidy" available the cost of houses will go up to include that. Thus increasing the costs for everyone including those who don't qualify for the "subsidy".
    Isn't that exactly what happened in the past where there was a first time buyer grant & the cost of the house factored in that grant.


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