Man batters dog to death.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 11:53AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

There are farmers drowning puppies and kittens all the time, what you want them to serve a prison sentence for that?

Absolutely.
And why some posters feel the need to completely disregard the cultural significance of domestic pets is beyond me tbh.

Irishcrx · 29-07-2015 11:54AM

The Dogs Bollix wrote: »

He probably can't afford to pay his TV licence either. He is a scumbag.

Yeah, they'd end up jailing you for the TV licence though...Ireland has it's priorities...

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 11:57AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I don't eat lamb or veal either, but I do find this thread outrageously irrational by people calling for prison sentences.

Why? How violent in your view does a crime have to be before a prison sentence is justified?
Are you also in favour of the barrage of suspended sentences for petty theft, assault, vandalism, burglary etc which have turned parts of Dublin's inner city (and almost certainly other cities in Ireland too) into gangland ghettos?

If someone commits a violent crime, they should be punished for it. This man was not. Simple as.

And honestly the meat industry isnt any more humane than what this guy did, other than they don't do it in front of kids, but the in front of kids part of what people are upset about seems to be really a side issue to the fact it's a dog.

So the cultural significance of domestic pets is just completely irrelevant then?

conorh91 · 29-07-2015 12:09PM

omahaid wrote: »

Nope, I'm just contrasting one sentence which is consistent and fair with one which is unfair. You can throw out this line about Righteously Indignant all you want, defending nolans record does the judiciary a disservice in my mind as you are claiming his bizarre sentences are consistent with other judges when in fact they are not.

Judge Nolan sits in one of the busiest courtrooms in the country. He sentences about a dozen people per day. What study have you done into the consistency of his sentencing, apart from a few ridiculous lines in the newspapers dismissing €1.6 million tax fraud as somehow being relevant to garlic?

omahaid · 29-07-2015 12:12PM

conorh91 wrote: »

Judge Nolan sits in one of the busiest courtrooms in the country. He sentences about a dozen people per day. What study have you done into the consistency of his sentencing, apart from a few ridiculous lines in the newspapers dismissing €1.6 million tax fraud as somehow being relevant to garlic?

It's good that you referred to that case

"the appeal court ruled Judge Nolan had erred in principle by overlooking, or not properly valuing, a number of mitigating factors pleaded on Begley’s behalf. The sentence was therefore not proportionate to both the crime and the criminal, the appeal court said."

Straight away - **** up.

conorh91 · 29-07-2015 12:14PM

omahaid wrote: »

It's good that you referred to that case

"the appeal court ruled Judge Nolan had erred in principle by overlooking, or not properly valuing, a number of mitigating factors pleaded on Begley’s behalf. The sentence was therefore not proportionate to both the crime and the criminal, the appeal court said."

Straight away - **** up.

Am I to take it from your lack of reply that you have no awareness whatever of any of that judge's sentencing record, apart from the €1.6 million tax fraud case? You don't actually have any basis for saying his sentencing record is inconsistent, do you?

bmcc10 · 29-07-2015 12:19PM

Disgusting reading that with my Jack Russell laying beside me, Such loyal little dogs that's horrible.

29-07-2015 02:05PM

bmcc10 wrote: »

Disgusting reading that with my Jack Russell laying beside me, Such loyal little dogs that's horrible.

Also aggressive and excitable, as of course bred to flush out prey.

What he did was outrageous, but even urban life for a dog like that must be no barrel of fun. What an existence for the poor thing.

scdublin · 29-07-2015 02:19PM

WTF. He'd never heard of animal shelters? The DSPCA? Paws? Bloody hell. He could have gone to a different vet and said he'd found the dog and asked them for advice...but he CHOSE to murder it instead. There is no way he thought he was doing the right thing. And if he did, what kind of mind does that suggest he has? Sick sick sick.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 02:35PM

scdublin wrote: »

WTF. He'd never heard of animal shelters? The DSPCA? Paws? Bloody hell. He could have gone to a different vet and said he'd found the dog and asked them for advice...but he CHOSE to murder it instead. There is no way he thought he was doing the right thing. And if he did, what kind of mind does that suggest he has? Sick sick sick.

This, and same to @Zeff who appears (yes?) to be justifying "farmers drowning bags of puppies" - if you don't euthanise an animal humanely, you should indeed do some time for that.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 03:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why? How violent in your view does a crime have to be before a prison sentence is justified?
Are you also in favour of the barrage of suspended sentences for petty theft, assault, vandalism, burglary etc which have turned parts of Dublin's inner city (and almost certainly other cities in Ireland too) into gangland ghettos?

If someone commits a violent crime, they should be punished for it. This man was not. Simple as.

So the cultural significance of domestic pets is just completely irrelevant then?

Humans and animals, not the same.

Muahahaha · 29-07-2015 04:05PM

omahaid wrote: »

As an aside, the guy that robbed Judge Nolans house got an 8 year sentence (3 years in jail). Contrast that with Nolans sentence yesterday of zero jail time for an attack on father-of-two in front of his young family.

Judge Martin Nolan is out of control. He gave the garlic importer guy 6 years in prison (despite repaying all taxes to Revenue) and then a few months later he lets an attempted rapist off with a fine. Tough on tax fraud, easy on rapists is how he rolls.

Roquentin · 29-07-2015 04:07PM

man is the cruelest animal

-Fredrich Nietzsche

Discodog · 29-07-2015 06:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also aggressive and excitable, as of course bred to flush out prey.

What he did was outrageous, but even urban life for a dog like that must be no barrel of fun. What an existence for the poor thing.

When I saw this thread I wondered what rubbish you would come out with. Your understanding of dogs is on the same level as this Judge's understanding of sentencing.

29-07-2015 06:21PM

Discodog wrote: »

When I saw this thread I wondered what rubbish you would come out with. Your understanding of dogs is on the same level as this Judge's understanding of sentencing.

Nice to have a fan!

I don't understand dogs, no. Handy to have some book about Jack Russells confirm what I said...but maybe you know more than this guy...

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/nonfiction/jack-russell/personality-temperament

That was about their hunting nature and temperament, this is about them being unsuitable for cities or apartments - though that would seem blindingly obvious anyway...

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/nonfiction/jack-russell/pros-cons

Discodog · 29-07-2015 06:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice to have a fan!

I don't understand dogs, no. Handy to have some book about Jack Russells confirm what I said...but maybe you know more than this guy...

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/nonfiction/jack-russell/personality-temperament

That was about their hunting nature and temperament, this is about them being unsuitable for cities or apartments - though that would seem blindingly obvious anyway...

http://www.publicbookshelf.com/nonfiction/jack-russell/pros-cons

You quote a book called Jack Russell Terrier - Canine Companion or Demon Dog :rolleyes:

Any behaviourist will tell you that breeds don't have temperaments. It would be like saying that all Chinese are excitable or all Germans are chilled.

A dog's temperament will be totally dependant on it's owner. But you probably knew that. :rolleyes:

Mine are totally chilled as one might expect :pac:

29-07-2015 06:40PM

Discodog wrote: »

You quote a book called Jack Russell Terrier - Canine Companion or Demon Dog :rolleyes:

Any behaviourist will tell you that breeds don't have temperaments. It would be like saying that all Chinese are excitable or all Germans are chilled.

A dog's temperament will be totally dependant on it's owner. But you probably knew that. :rolleyes:

Mine are totally chilled as one might expect :pac:

Yes, I'd say the demon reference means he was actually referring to the supernatural malevolent being thus rendering everything he said irrelevant.

So now I'll go with your understanding, not the guy who wrote the book on Jack Russells. And I'll reject the idea that different breeds have different temperaments because of the Germans and Chinese or something.

percy212 · 29-07-2015 06:42PM

FFS. This is a shocking story. That guy needs a good beating and I hope he gets several.

percy212 · 29-07-2015 06:44PM

An addled old ****.

conorh91 wrote: »

Judge Nolan sits in one of the busiest courtrooms in the country. He sentences about a dozen people per day. What study have you done into the consistency of his sentencing, apart from a few ridiculous lines in the newspapers dismissing €1.6 million tax fraud as somehow being relevant to garlic?

Smidge · 29-07-2015 11:12PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Humans and animals, not the same.

Tbf, I think you are being just a tad bit obtuse on this.
I think it was HOW he murdered the dog that has everyone's backs up.
It takes a moment for someone to give a single kick, for example.
I hate to even think about it, but to do what he did to that dog takes time.
And that wasn't someone having a hissy fit or a "moment".
That was unadulterated RAGE. I for one feel the judge who let him go without a custodial sentence may have that decision come back to haunt him.

And you full well know, it is not even in the same ball park as animals killed for food.

Paddy Cow · 30-07-2015 12:28AM

The actions of this man and the reasoning of the judge has sickened me. How the judge can allow the man the defence of being on antidepressants is boggling. The man admitted that he previously tried to kill the dog by smothering it. Then he went on to bash it onto the ground 30 times. That is premeditation and not someone who has a tempory lapse in judgement and doesn't know what they are doing. Ffs, when questioned by the guards he lied and pretended the dog had ran off it's lead, so clearly he knew he had done wrong and was trying to cover his ass.

As for the judge not wanting the child to lose out on having a pet, when the child grows up and becomes a responsible adult, she can have all the pets she wants, safe in the knowledge that her father isn't going to batter it to death if it becomes a nuisance.

I just can't fathom how this man bashed the dog once, never mind thirty times. I have three dogs and the odd time I've accidently stood on them I've felt sooooo guilty. They yelp in pain and immediately my protective instinct kicks in and I pick it up and kiss and cuddle it to reassure it that it was an accident. That dog must've been howling in pain but the guy kept on battering it

You would have to be a cold hearted ba$tard to ignore the dog's distress and keep hurting it :mad:

percy212 · 30-07-2015 12:35AM

Any person who behaves as violently as this man did, is a danger to the public. Also, I really hope someone takes a hammer to his teeth.

30-07-2015 12:43AM

I don't think I'd like to meet you in a dark alley myself, Percy! What a horrible wish. We don't have to meet savagery with savagery.

percy212 · 30-07-2015 12:52AM

In this case, all bets are off.

Sobko · 30-07-2015 01:04AM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Two observations:

Dont the blue cross do a free or subsidised vet service in the city centre. They come around near me ever week or so and provide a great service to animal owners who cant afford private vet bills.

In fairness, its not the Judge so much as the law/legislature which places more emphasis on prison for drugs and revenue offences than for violence and sexual offences. The Judge is essentially taking his cue from government policy on what is a serious offence. I think it should be the other way around, but then again I aint in government.

It's funny how he judiciary claim independence when it suits them but when they are criticised for their actions it's down to the government.

The Dogs Bollix · 30-07-2015 01:51AM

"He has 12 previous convictions including a four a half year sentence for a drugs offence".

You have to wonder is it the judge who is on the drugs.

Sobko · 30-07-2015 02:11AM

The Dogs Bollix wrote: »

"He has 12 previous convictions including a four a half year sentence for a drugs offence".

You have to wonder is it the judge who is on the drugs.

And yet some on here are happy he wasn't jailed as he has a kid to look after. Obviously not fans of child welfare either.

foggy_lad · 30-07-2015 03:03AM

I am now seeing the real issue here in this case and it is not about the crime and sentencing.

This poor man is not right in the head, god love the poor fecker he is mentally damaged to such an extent that he thinks that walking through a park full of children swinging a small dog on a lead above his head and repeatedly slamming the dog on the ground is a correct way to behave.

The poor bastard needs to be in a residential care facility where he will have people to talk to about the thoughts and ideas that he gets, but there are feck all of those precious mental facilities left anymore because of successive governments and countless do-gooders screaming for "care in the community"

Well now ye have yer "care in the community"!

Poor unfortunates like this man go without proper medication and supervision and the cities and towns are awash with overly medicated zombies who used to have the safety of their mental hostel/hospital to return to at tea-time but now they mostly live in flats or on the streets and sell and swap their meds to get by day to day.

They had a much better quality of life when locked up behind 12' high walls!

JupiterKid · 30-07-2015 03:05AM

As others opined, I'd be more concerned about the welfare of his child given the brutal manner in which he killed his defenceless little dog. Scum.

30-07-2015 07:02AM

Sobko wrote: »

And yet some on here are happy he wasn't jailed as he has a kid to look after. Obviously not fans of child welfare either.

And some are just a tad hysterical.

My favourite is the one about jailing them before they become serial killers.

Man batters dog to death.

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