Man batters dog to death.

RaRaRasputin · 29-07-2015 12:06AM

When the Sun Hits wrote: »

Where did I mention lawsuit?

You didnt, but pointed out that "Leaflets are written by the pharma companies, they do not have adequate information", which they do (unfortunately maybe) from a legal point.

29-07-2015 12:23AM

No doubting this was outrageous, and think a ban on having pets in future would have been in order. But if he's looking after a child, I'd have concerns about a custodial sentence.

conorh91 · 29-07-2015 12:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No doubting this was outrageous, and think a ban on having pets in future would have been in order. But if he's looking after a child, I'd have concerns about a custodial sentence.

Absolutely agreed.

In fact, all of the case law would indicate that if a non-custodial sentence is a feasible option for a sentencing judge, then family considerations should be a mitigating factor in favour of a non-custodial sentence.

In other words, fatherhood may be relevant to animal cruelty prosecutions, but not to cases of rape, murder or manslaughter.

Anyway, lets pick up our pitchforks before any of the mob spot us rabbiting on about proportionate sentencing and other such irrelevant matters...

Samaris · 29-07-2015 12:41AM

It's sounds like there's more to this than just what we see - and this is probably a good example of Not Being News.

I'll certainly agree that anti-depressants (and the state of being depressed in itself) can have bad effects on the mind (although people who are depressed are far more likely to do themselves damage than someone else). The man also had no history of violence or anything of the sort. BUT...if it was an act of madness, I'd be a bit alarmed at a child being in his care. It was a horrendously brutal thing to do and in a way, it being so totally out of character (from the sounds of it) is even more alarming. Even if he'd never dream of doing such a thing normally, he'd likely never dream of hurting his kid either. Yet he slammed that poor dog into the ground until it was dead.

It's mind-boggling, really.

Smidge · 29-07-2015 01:12AM

It goes without saying that what he did was horrendous.
But having known someone who was on antidepressants prescribed by the doctor and became a totally different person from it I can see the two sides.
I in no way wish to mitigate what he did but for the people saying "yeah, it comes with side effects " I don't think anyone really knows how their bodies and brains will react to these chemicals.
Don't get me wrong, they are a life saver for some.
For others, like my friend, they end up sending you into a black pit of madness and despair.
After a couple of months on it, after countless reassurance from Dr to give it time to work, he took his own life.
Incidentally, he was not or never suicidal before.
He just couldn't get out of the nightmare the meds had him in.

Putin · 29-07-2015 01:32AM

anewme wrote: »

Very upsetting reading

Nope, I wouldn't click on that link or read it. I cannot abided by animal cruelty. But I have no difficulty in hoping the scumbag reponsible, gets a good beating someday.

Kwiecien · 29-07-2015 02:21AM

Most of the people I know (myself included) are taking some sort of prescription drugs, but never murdered a poor dog because of it.

The man is a thug.

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 03:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

if he's looking after a child, I'd have concerns about a custodial sentence.

I'd be concerned for the child's welfare because of his Father's public display of brutality not because of any custodial sanction imposed due to that act.

In fact, I think a thorough assessment of the child's welfare would be prudent.

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 03:13AM

NorthStars wrote: »

Blame the anti-depressants seems to be the main defence.

Kwiecien wrote: »

Most of the people I know (myself included) are taking some sort of prescription drugs, but never murdered a poor dog because of it..

The above also has the effect of stigmatising people who are prescribed medicine for emotional issues. 'Better watch out - he's taking pills for his nerves so might well be prone to beating a dog to death'.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 03:14AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'd be concerned for the child's welfare because of his Father's public display of brutality not because of any custodial sanction due to that act.

In fact I think a thorough assessment of the child's welfare would be prudent.

This. A scumbag like the perpetrator in this case should almost definitely not be trusted to care for a child.

For everyone harping on about mitigating factors - this man bludgeoned a defenceless animal to death. There are no mitigating factors which eliminate the need for someone who does something like that to be punished, and punished harshly. Otherwise, we send a message that someone can do something like this and get away with it - ergo, every scumbag in the country with a violent disposition has one less reason to be afraid of consequences.

Why is the deterrent nature of the law always so easily cast aside by those who argue for leniency? It's not just about punishing this guy (although he sure as f*ck deserves to suffer for what he did) - it's also about sending a message to any other aspiring scumbag that if they do anything like this, their lives will become unpleasant as a result.

What this sentence does is send a message to other aspiring scumbags that in Ireland, you can do whatever the hell you want and nobody is going to do a damn thing about it.

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2015 03:18AM

NorthStars wrote: »

Blame the anti-depressants seems to be the main defence.

It always is.
Or mental illness.
Or stress.
Or an alcohol / drugs problem.
Or an unproven suggestion of an abusive relationship.
Or a difficult family background.
Or financial hardship.
Or indeed any number of other bullsh!t life events which many people are capable of going through without turning into sadistic monsters, and do not in any way justify leniency for those who do.

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 03:23AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This. A scumbag like the perpetrator in this case should almost definitely not be trusted to care for a child.

I'm sure I've read studies that found links between animal cruelty and child neglect/cruelty. People like this cunt should, at the very least, end up on a register that can be accessed by child welfare workers/adoption agencies etc.

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 03:33AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It always is.
Or mental illness.
Or stress.
Or an alcohol / drugs problem.
Or an unproven suggestion of an abusive relationship.
Or a difficult family background.
Or financial hardship.
Or indeed any number of other bullsh!t life events which many people are capable of going through without turning into sadistic monsters, and do not in any way justify leniency for those who do.

Indeed. It completely disregards the vast majority of people who've experienced awful physical/mental trauma who don't, in return, inflict it upon defenceless beings. Sweet mercy, can you imagine the carnage that would have been brought to bear on the home populations of returning soldiers traumatised in WWI, or WWII if the above were an axiom?

Widsy97 · 29-07-2015 04:06AM

As a dog owner, I'm angered and disgusted. As an Irishman, I'm ashamed. Ashamed that that 'man' claims the same citizenship as me. And ashamed that a judge couldn't be arsed to put that SCUM behind bars.
Animal cruelty is a big problem in this country. So is general scumbaggery (not a real word). It infuriates me to no end.

29-07-2015 06:39AM

Kwiecien wrote: »

Most of the people I know (myself included) are taking some sort of prescription drugs, but never murdered a poor dog because of it.

The man is a thug.

"Murdered a dog".

Let's not invent new crimes or completely mangle the law in our outrage.

29-07-2015 06:45AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'd be concerned for the child's welfare because of his Father's public display of brutality not because of any custodial sanction imposed due to that act.

In fact, I think a thorough assessment of the child's welfare would be prudent.

There was not one suggestion that there was any concern about the child.

I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies and people who bring up dogs in tiny apartments, subjecting them effectively to a life of cruelty, who make wonderful parents.

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 07:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies
I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies
I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies
I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies
I know farmers who have drowned bags of puppies

Are they farming puppies or idiots with a poor understanding of reproduction?

29-07-2015 07:36AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Are they farming puppies or idiots with a poor understanding of reproduction?

They are neither.

They are farmers with dogs that had puppies, and knew that a surplus of dogs was impractical, they could not care for them, they would be left semi wild, that might threaten other animals, and so put them down cheaply.

Should their kids be assessed? I mean, a bag...of puppies?

Junkyard Tom · 29-07-2015 07:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

dogs that had puppies, and knew that a surplus of dogs was impractical

'Farmers' with a poor understanding of reproduction of animals under their care who resort to drowning the fruits of their poor judgement...

Yep, 'impractical' is a nice way of saying 'utterly incompetent'.

29-07-2015 07:51AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

'Farmers' with a poor understanding of reproduction of animals under their care who resort to drowning the fruits of their poor judgement...

Yep, 'impractical' is a nice way of saying 'utterly incompetent'.

Oh I'm not defending their track record on puppies.

Do you think their kids should be assessed?

CaptainInsano · 29-07-2015 07:55AM

Tried to suffocate the dog previously but failed. Poor thing must have been petrified with him. That kind of cruelty runs deeper than prescription drugs.

tigger123 · 29-07-2015 08:23AM

Beating a family pet to death in a public place is not the behavior of a sane person. I think its more than reasonable to be concerned about how he looks after his kids.

How anyone could do that to a dog is beyond me.

Menas · 29-07-2015 08:24AM

Jesus, feel sick reading that.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 08:39AM

I suppose every outraged poster on this thread is a vegetarian lobster rescue activist.

Penny Tration · 29-07-2015 08:43AM

When the Sun Hits wrote: »

Doctors are either totally dishonest or lacking in awareness when in come to the effects of SSRIs.

I'm not excusing his behavior because I don't actually think the meds were the cause for what he did, but your comment is not accurate with regards to SSRIs. Doctors are like dodgy car salesmen when it comes to antidepressants.

SOME doctors. My doctor and psych are fantastic and told me all about potential side effects, withdrawal symptoms, what to watch out for and so on.

Penny Tration · 29-07-2015 08:44AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I suppose every outraged poster on this thread is a vegetarian lobster rescue activist.

I didn't realise that you had to be a vegetarian activist to be disgusted by someone beating a pet to death in one of the most terrifying, painful fashions possible.

AudreyHepburn · 29-07-2015 08:48AM

That's just sick....there is just no excuse for that kind of cruelty. He may have been mentally ill but that's no excuse for behaving like a monster imo. If he really is that unwell he should be in care.

Aside from that if you have a pet that you find you no longer want or can't afford, fine but you send it to an animal shelter or pound or you sell it .....you don't try to suffocate it and then batter the poor thing to death.

He should never be allowed to have animals again and I would also be concerned about the children he fosters....what if he flips again and decides they are too much trouble to look after?

AudreyHepburn · 29-07-2015 08:49AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I suppose every outraged poster on this thread is a vegetarian lobster rescue activist.

There's a world of difference between eating a bit of fish for your dinner and battering a dog to death....but you know that really.

zeffabelli · 29-07-2015 08:58AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

There's a world of difference between eating a bit of fish for your dinner and battering a dog to death....but you know that really.

Lobsters are boiled alive.

Have any idea how lambs and cattle are slaughtered?

A throat slit and bled out?

Look up how fois gras is made.

Do you eat any of these products? Or is your life cruelty free?

I probably just killed several thousand ants hanging out my laundry.

Menas · 29-07-2015 09:00AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

I suppose every outraged poster on this thread is a vegetarian lobster rescue activist.

No, just human.

Man batters dog to death.

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