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Another light sentence handed down by the courts

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  • #32
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    The Judges should give prison sentences when deserving whether or not there are places for them.


  • #33
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

    Still seems ridic to me though.

    How does that matter to the judge? They give out sentences, they are not prison wardens. Its the prison system that has to accommodate him.
    I doubt prison overcrowding or cost had any bearing on the judges decision.

    BattleCorp wrote: »
    But yet a garlic smuggler gets a 6 year sentence. :mad::mad::mad:

    Its a bloody life sentence having to listen to the people that bring this up in every ****ing thread.


  • #34
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The DPP need to step up it's appeals against these light sentences particularly in relation to violent crime.


  • #35
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    spiralism wrote: »
    Prisons overcrowded, etc etc

    Pack them in. Its not butlins


  • #36
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Adams has 52 previous convictions, including one for assault, three for theft offences, 16 for public order and 16 for road traffic offences.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/youth-who-broke-mans-skull-with-running-kick-to-forehead-avoids-jail-31406736.html

    As is the norm, not like its this chaps first run in with the law.
    We seriously need a three strikes and you're out type sentencing here.


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  • #37
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    If we had a candidate at the next election that had just one policy to increase and enforce sentences. Minimum sentences that is and get the laws put True they would have a chance of winning. Like somthing simple... 10 convictions to start with and you get ten year minimum . There's people before the courts with 70 convictions its not working what we have


  • #38
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    handlemaster wrote: »
    Pack them in. Its not butlins

    Exactly.
    6 or 8 to a 8'x8' cell.
    Let them share bunks and slop out each morning like the animals a lot of them are.


  • #39
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    It does make you wonder why you would even bother calling the guards if you were the victim of an assault. Why bother go through all that hassle and having to give testimony and all that and waiting years for a trial and to get a judge just giving the guy a free pass for on the attack on you.

    I had a comparatively very minor run in with some gob****es back when I was a teenager. One of them tried kicking me in the head, but luckily had no real force behind it. A security guard for a shop across the street raced across to intervene and they scattered. Guards arrived a few minutes later and wanted to take me on a trip around Dublin to see if I could spot them. I said don't bother, because I just wanted to head home and I was fine.

    You see much more serious attacks like the above, and sentences like the above, and I was right not to waste my time.


  • #40
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Exactly.
    6 or 8 to a 8'x8' cell.
    Let them share bunks and slop out each morning like the animals a lot of them are.

    What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.


  • #41
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    What happened to them lot that robbed the Minister for justice house again ?


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  • #42
    darkpagandeath
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

    None custodial sentences don't work here that's for sure.


  • #43
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    None custodial sentences don't work here that's for sure.

    Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?


  • #44
    RichardCeann
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 647 ✭✭✭RichardCeann


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

    Lashing out suspended sentences and telling lads to be good doesn't do much in the way of rehabilitating them. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    I don't want violent criminals to suffer as a retribution. I would like them to receive prison time and some form of rehabilitation though.


  • #45
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?

    This guys 52 convictions ???


  • #46
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Whenever a thread like this pops up in AH, you just know the garlic smuggler will be dug up like a Pavlovian dog bone.


  • #47
    RichardCeann
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 647 ✭✭✭RichardCeann


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?

    The thug that this threads about who had 52 previous convictions before he decided to do his best Cristiano Ronaldo impression on the victims skull.


  • #48
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    This guys 54 convictions ???

    That is literally an anecdot.


  • #49
    rubberdiddies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 717 ✭✭✭rubberdiddies


    Another example from today:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/vicious-unprovoked-attack-court-2238379-Jul2015/

    We see at least one example a day of this now. Scumbags have no fear. We have been giving out about this for years but for some reason out politicians don't even mention it.

    How do we go about making this a national (and international if needs be) issue?


  • #50
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    That is literally an anecdot.

    Evidence is an anecdote now ???????


  • #51
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    The Judge said “If you lift your foot or your fist to anyone you’ll do three-and-a-half-years and any sentence on top of that,”

    I'll take bets, I'm offering 20/1 that that won't happen if Adams is up again.


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  • #52
    Wabbit Ears
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭Wabbit Ears


    As another poster asked, is being a sociopath a prerequisite to being a judge?

    Serious question. I honestly believe judges do not have any empathy for victims, merely playing a self serving game of upholding arbitrary sentancing that they themselves set precedences in.


  • #53
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

    Does allowing a scumbag with 54 previous convictions roam the streets looking for someone's head to kick in 'work'?
    You know what'd be good? Chain gangs.
    Get these f*ckers up each morning at 5 am, chain their ankles and get them sweeping the streets and earning their keep.


  • #54
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Wabbit Ears wrote: »
    As another poster asked, is being a sociopath a prerequisite to being a judge?

    Serious question. I honestly believe judges do not have any empathy for victims, merely playing a self serving game of upholding arbitrary sentancing that they themselves set precedences in.

    The seem to look out for one another, See that lad that had 84 challenges before having to hand back the keys.


  • #55
    NorthStars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭NorthStars


    ken wrote: »
    The Judge said “If you lift your foot or your fist to anyone you’ll do three-and-a-half-years and any sentence on top of that,”

    I'll take bets, I'm offering 20/1 that that won't happen if Adams is up again.

    I wonder how many times he was told that before by 'judges'?


  • #56
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    rubberdiddies wrote: »
    Another example from today:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/vicious-unprovoked-attack-court-2238379-Jul2015/

    We see at least one example a day of this now. Scumbags have no fear. We have been giving out about this for years but for some reason out politicians don't even mention it.

    How do we go about making this a national (and international if needs be) issue?

    Maybe a protest every weekend until action is taken. But you would need to get people to be out raged in this country first. Like an emotional case pregnant lady getting kicked around the street and a suspended sentence etc


  • #57
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Evidence is an anecdote now ???????

    That isn't evidence, its an anecdote and as the saying goes, the plural of anecdote is not evidence its anecdotes.

    Look I am not saying that a custodial sentence would have been inappropriate in this instance I am simply stating that the foaming at the mouth, lock em all up and throw away the key is universally a disaster. We need a nuanced calm response.


  • #58
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    NorthStars wrote: »
    Does allowing a scumbag with 54 previous convictions roam the streets looking for someone's head to kick in 'work'?
    You know what'd be good? Chain gangs.
    Get these f*ckers up each morning at 5 am, chain their ankles and get them sweeping the streets and earning their keep.

    Killing them would be more effective.


  • #59
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I'm getting really sick of reading stories like this. :mad:


  • #60
    force eleven
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    Just as long as you plead a deprived background, substance abuse and/or stress you can get away with pretty much anything bar murder here. Nothing wrong with our justice system per se but our sentencing is an absolute joke.


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  • #61
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    force eleven wrote: »
    Just as long as you plead a deprived background, substance abuse and/or stress you can get away with pretty much anything bar murder here. Nothing wrong with our justice system per se but our sentencing is an absolute joke.

    ...but

    (I hate being hated in threads but here we go again)

    All of these ancillary facts that you mention are disproportionately associated with illegal activity and even more so coming before the courts and entanglement in the justice system. Obviously it can be used as 'get out of jail free card' but at the same time are we to ignore that fact? And if we do will it mean more peace and justice or just arbitrary incarceration?

    Honestly IDK but I think the evidence EVIDENCE regarding mass incarceration is fairly conclusive at this point.


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