Another light sentence handed down by the courts

handlemaster

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-broke-skull-in-attack-gets-suspended-sentence-1.2298734

It seems unbelievable with such an attack on someone that the defendant will not see the inside of a jail.

spiralism

Prisons overcrowded, etc etc

brevity

It really frustrates me to read stuff like this.

BattleCorp

What fcuking planet are the judges on eh?

jobbridge4life

BattleCorp wrote: »

What fcuking planet are the judges on eh?

One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

Still seems ridic to me though.

mynamejeff

neck tattoos really say a lot about a person dont they ......

BattleCorp

jobbridge4life wrote: »

One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

Still seems ridic to me though.

But yet a garlic smuggler gets a 6 year sentence. :mad::mad::mad:

BattleCorp

mynamejeff wrote: »

neck tattoos really say a lot about a person dont they ......

Sadly I was thinking the same.

jobbridge4life

BattleCorp wrote: »

But yet a garlic smuggler gets a 6 year sentence. :mad::mad::mad:

I know I know... absolutely no logic or reasoning to it at all.

SEPT 23 1989

Adams ran about thirty yards and kicked him in the forehead and head

I would call that attempted murder but what do i know

KKkitty

He didn't mean to hurt him but gives the victim a running kick. Don't think I'll ever understand the judiciary system in this country.

brevity

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Adams ran about thirty yards and kicked him in the forehead and head

I would call that attempted murder but what do i know

I was thinking the same. Animal.

Ronin247

Hard labour and death sentences are the only way we will ever stop scum like this.
How ridiculous is it to have a defense of "oh I was off me t1ts on drugs so I can't be held responsible" and have a judge accept that?
As long as solicitors can keep the revolving door going and get repeat offenders on free legal aid off all the time the system will never change

Wompa1

handlemaster wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-broke-skull-in-attack-gets-suspended-sentence-1.2298734

It seems unbelievable with such an attack on someone that the defendant will not see the inside of a jail.

So that criminal court, right? Can this fella that got absolutely no justice now bring this thug to a civil court and take him for every little bit that he's got? It was so severe there's fears of damage to his vision..that's life altering. The thug should be paying a chunk of whatever little he probably has every month for the rest of his miserable life.

cassid

What about the poor lad who was minding his own business, listening to some music and popping in to get some take away food ?, he gets jumped on for his earphones and then his guy Adams gives him a severe skull fracture.

We get to know about Adam's "poor background" and "difficult" life on drugs and his remorse. But what about the victim, how long did he spend his hospital ? how painful was this for him ? did he have to attend out patients for follow up care ? how has the double attack affect his life ?

dandyelevan

Spike Island was closed because it wasn't comfortable enough for these types, and too far from anywhere (Dublin) for relatives top visit.
I remember politicians saying something like...'why should relatives be punished by having to travel such a distance...will somebody please think of the children, blah blah blah'

Raging_Ninja

My Ryabkov fell on the ground and there was blood coming from his head.

...

The court heard that there were shouts of “kill him, kill him” from the crowd

Wtf?

KKkitty

cassid wrote: »

What about the poor lad who was minding his own business, listening to some music and popping in to get some take away food ?, he gets jumped on for his earphones and then his guy Adams gives him a severe skull fracture.

We get to know about Adam's "poor background" and "difficult" life on drugs and his remorse. But what about the victim, how long did he spend his hospital ? how painful was this for him ? did he have to attend out patients for follow up care ? how has the double attack affect his life ?

I'm sick of the old chestnut about the perpetrator's upbringing and falling into drug use. Many people come from less well off backgrounds but don't turn out like pure scum which is what Adams is.

The_Minister

BattleCorp wrote: »

But yet a garlic smuggler gets a 6 year sentence. :mad::mad::mad:

Garlic smuggler who cost the taxpayer over a million during a crippling recession.

Oh, and who had his sentence reduced to a fraction of that on appeal.

blueser

He never meant to harm the victim

Adams ran about thirty yards and kicked him in the forehead and head

Am I missing something here? Just what did he intend to do to the victim then?

The court heard that there were shouts of “kill him, kill him” from the crowd.

It's getting robbed and needs our help, smash its face in!!

NorthStars

handlemaster wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-broke-skull-in-attack-gets-suspended-sentence-1.2298734

It seems unbelievable with such an attack on someone that the defendant will not see the inside of a jail.

No doubt a slimy legal team, paid for by the taxpayer, played up this piece of dirt's upbringing in an attempt to have the judge suspend the sentence.
How these legal people live with themselves is beyond me.
They're as bad, if not worse than the perpetrator of the crime.

Gatling

It's situations like this where the right to bear arms in self defence should be brought in its ridiculous at this day and age scum cant and won't be punished by the criminal justice system in this country

Saipanne

Do you have to be sociopathic to be a judge in Ireland?

Any legal heads wanna field that one?

RichardCeann

The full extent of the victims injuries probably won't come to light until years from now. Head trauma is a hard one to judge. I think if you run at a person and kick them full force in the head unprovoked, then you should see the inside of a cell for at least a few years.

drunkmonkey

I suppose another case of the Ecstasy made him do it..

If only Judges took drugs they'd realise there been sold a crock o shoite..

NorthStars

The_Minister wrote: »

Garlic smuggler who cost the taxpayer over a million during a crippling recession.

Oh, and who had his sentence reduced to a fraction of that on appeal.

The effective import rate of tax for garlic is over 200%.
Only in a country like this would that be considered normal.

He also paid the €1.6 million of what can only be describes as extortion money back.

He served time in jail and is banned from being a director of a company for 5 years.



The scrote at the centre of this discussion gets a suspended sentence.

Says it all really.

RichardCeann

And another.

A DUBLIN TEENAGER who launched a vicious, unprovoked attack on a father-of-two in front of his young family has received a two year suspended sentence.

Sean Beumer (19) of Edenmore Crescent, Coolock pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Court to assault causing harm to Mark Kelly at Grace Park Heights, Drumcondra on March 15 last year.

Judge Martin Nolan said the victim was attacked viciously during a frightening, unprovoked and serious assault which was witnessed by his wife and family.

Judge Nolan noted that Beumer had expressed remorse and cooperated with gardaí and said the courts were “always open” to reform, particularly with a young person.

He said because of this he would not impose a custodial sentence. He suspended the sentence for two years and ordered Beumer to undergo one year Probation and Welfare Service supervision.

Boring username

I posted this is a previous thread 2 weeks ago, I think I'll start copying it and pasting it until we start getting somewhere. I want to get people MAD.

Look, I'll spell out the big secret for you. Stories like this are here to stay-this is the new normal, to borrow the phrase. We were outraged last week about some other violent scumbag. And the week before that. And all the weeks before that. We've been outraged for years. And still nothing gets done. And we'll be outraged next week about yet another toerag who beats the law yet again.

Nothing is ever going to change until the Irish public organizes themselves into co-ordinated, vocal groups that demand, not meekly ask, but straight up fcuking DEMAND that the state protects its citizens, and gives the public what they want. We saw it with the Gay rights movement. We saw it with the Divorce referendum. People power does work, but Christ it can be slow to effect change. But once it gets going, it snowballs quite fast. The Irish public need to organise a public strike, involving the trade unions, to bring attention to this nuisance. This is going to continue indefinitely until we do something about it.

So please, no more whining to Joe Duffy. No more moaning in the pub. No more pointless rants on facebook about crime. No more looking the other way. The only way this is going to get sorted is by targeting the people who control the levers of power in this country:
1. The legal system.
2. The media.
3. Your local TD.

So what is the solution? We've tried being nice. We've tried to be reasonable with the scummers. We've tried the kid gloves, the softly softly, the rehabilitation, the slap on the wrists, the final warning.

The reality is that Ireland needs a super prison that can hold 5,000 prisoners. Bring in a 3 strikes rule. The only way you'll see a reduction in crime is by denying criminals their liberty. And for those who say prison is only a criminal university? Yeah, it is. But the criminals can learn all you want doing 20 years behind bars.

So will we be here again next week, going round and round in circles? Or will we start to lobby for change?
Are you prepared to march to demand a safer Ireland?

We can all keep looking the other way, but sooner or later, it's going to be me and you that gets out teeth kicked out. Or worse.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=96193247

Yellowblackbird

jobbridge4life wrote: »

One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year

It's a false economy to not build and run sufficient prisons. We spend 70 million on free legal aid every year. That's free solicitors and barristers for career criminals who are in court every second day and committing crime every day. The cost of court staff, judges, gardai, probation workers is huge. The cost to society - in this incident the mans medical bills for treatment of a fractured skull. You will save money if incarcerate anti-social elements.

and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

This is such a lazy myth. The idea that prisons are schools for criminals. They learn all they need to learn from the time they're walking in the communities they come from.

_Kaiser_

Ronin247 wrote: »

How ridiculous is it to have a defense of "oh I was off me t1ts on drugs so I can't be held responsible" and have a judge accept that?

Completely agree.. however, as long as we have a society that shirks all personal responsibility whenever possible - blaming "someone else" or the "system" or a "disadvantaged upbringing" (as was used by the Defence per the OP's link) it's going to continue.

Yet despite this, many of the same people who express shock and disgust at such a case and sentence, are then the first to be calling for the legalisation of so-called "harmless" drugs. Yup, makes sense! :rolleyes:

jobeenfitz

The Judges should give prison sentences when deserving whether or not there are places for them.

Guy:Incognito

jobbridge4life wrote: »

One where we have overcrowded prisons, one where incarcerating a prisoner costs circa 70,000 euro a year and one where prisons may actually be criminogenic.

Still seems ridic to me though.

How does that matter to the judge? They give out sentences, they are not prison wardens. Its the prison system that has to accommodate him.
I doubt prison overcrowding or cost had any bearing on the judges decision.

BattleCorp wrote: »

But yet a garlic smuggler gets a 6 year sentence. :mad::mad::mad:

Its a bloody life sentence having to listen to the people that bring this up in every ****ing thread.

suicide_circus

The DPP need to step up it's appeals against these light sentences particularly in relation to violent crime.

handlemaster

spiralism wrote: »

Prisons overcrowded, etc etc

Pack them in. Its not butlins

Gran Hermano

Adams has 52 previous convictions, including one for assault, three for theft offences, 16 for public order and 16 for road traffic offences.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/youth-who-broke-mans-skull-with-running-kick-to-forehead-avoids-jail-31406736.html

As is the norm, not like its this chaps first run in with the law.
We seriously need a three strikes and you're out type sentencing here.

handlemaster

If we had a candidate at the next election that had just one policy to increase and enforce sentences. Minimum sentences that is and get the laws put True they would have a chance of winning. Like somthing simple... 10 convictions to start with and you get ten year minimum . There's people before the courts with 70 convictions its not working what we have

NorthStars

handlemaster wrote: »

Pack them in. Its not butlins

Exactly.
6 or 8 to a 8'x8' cell.
Let them share bunks and slop out each morning like the animals a lot of them are.

Sand

It does make you wonder why you would even bother calling the guards if you were the victim of an assault. Why bother go through all that hassle and having to give testimony and all that and waiting years for a trial and to get a judge just giving the guy a free pass for on the attack on you.

I had a comparatively very minor run in with some gob****es back when I was a teenager. One of them tried kicking me in the head, but luckily had no real force behind it. A security guard for a shop across the street raced across to intervene and they scattered. Guards arrived a few minutes later and wanted to take me on a trip around Dublin to see if I could spot them. I said don't bother, because I just wanted to head home and I was fine.

You see much more serious attacks like the above, and sentences like the above, and I was right not to waste my time.

jobbridge4life

NorthStars wrote: »

Exactly.
6 or 8 to a 8'x8' cell.
Let them share bunks and slop out each morning like the animals a lot of them are.

What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

darkpagandeath

What happened to them lot that robbed the Minister for justice house again ?

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

None custodial sentences don't work here that's for sure.

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

None custodial sentences don't work here that's for sure.

Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?

RichardCeann

jobbridge4life wrote: »

What if that is worse for us all in the long term? Other jurisdictions have enjoyed 'law and order' rhetoric loving politicians who promised more and longer custodial sentences with harsher conditions and they are now facing the ruinous impact of that dogma. Surely we should be asking what works? Not what satisfies our immediate desire for retribution.

Lashing out suspended sentences and telling lads to be good doesn't do much in the way of rehabilitating them. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I don't want violent criminals to suffer as a retribution. I would like them to receive prison time and some form of rehabilitation though.

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?

This guys 52 convictions ???

Barely There

Whenever a thread like this pops up in AH, you just know the garlic smuggler will be dug up like a Pavlovian dog bone.

RichardCeann

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Do you have an non-anecdotal evidence to verify that?

The thug that this threads about who had 52 previous convictions before he decided to do his best Cristiano Ronaldo impression on the victims skull.

jobbridge4life

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This guys 54 convictions ???

That is literally an anecdot.

rubberdiddies

Another example from today:

http://www.thejournal.ie/vicious-unprovoked-attack-court-2238379-Jul2015/

We see at least one example a day of this now. Scumbags have no fear. We have been giving out about this for years but for some reason out politicians don't even mention it.

How do we go about making this a national (and international if needs be) issue?

darkpagandeath

jobbridge4life wrote: »

That is literally an anecdot.

Evidence is an anecdote now ???????

Ken.

The Judge said “If you lift your foot or your fist to anyone you’ll do three-and-a-half-years and any sentence on top of that,”

I'll take bets, I'm offering 20/1 that that won't happen if Adams is up again.