MTV's ''White People'' Documentary

valoren · 25-07-2015 06:39AM

Using the "you're only doing/that this because I'm *ethnicity*" phrase is double standard racism. The implication bring that the person must be inherently racist to do what they're doing or say what they're saying. It's a cop out.

DryBalls · 25-07-2015 07:48AM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Haven't watched it but from the extracts you've given you seem to be overlooking the fact that due to a plethora of issues a black person may be unable to achieve the same academic standard as a white person or may have inferior financial means or potential financial means

I have to slightly disagree with you here. Using the scholarship example, the criteria would be that all people applying must be in the same financial position, same as here in Ireland, that if your household is below a certain income you do not receive a grant.

So to say that maybe a black person doesn't have the same finances therefore justifying the fact that there should be scholarships that are blatently racist excluding all white people is unfair.

On your point about black people not being able to achieve the same academics than whites therefore they should be allowed seperate scholarships...also unfair. Everyone is given the same opporutunity to education. Yes there are private schools etc. with higher education standards but students attending these would not seek financial aid.

And it is not right in my opinion to say that "well a certain race seems to have on average lower test scores so let's give them separate scholarships and exclude all others". Imagine the uproar if someone created a scholarship and said the criteria was that the person had to be living in hardship and also had to be Caucasian.

Imagine this situation: a white and black girl applied for all the same scholarships where the criteria was based solely on grades. They both had the same grades, the white girls were very slightly higher though. Both didn't get a scholarship. However the black girl then applied for this other scholarship that was unavailable to the white girl because it excluded Caucasians. The black girl was then awarded this scholarship based on her grades even though the white girls grades were slightly higher.

I think that is very unfair.

But I do agree that MTV are not really making a good effort at approaching his topic.

Edit: I may watch this documentary before taking my own opinions too seriously! But I am unsure they would change.

RayCon · 25-07-2015 08:34AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Bring back Ray Cokes!

Bring back Head Bangers Ball ....

mad muffin · 25-07-2015 08:38AM

Mockumentary.

NachoBusiness · 25-07-2015 09:12AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Mockumentary.

If only.

Wibbs · 25-07-2015 09:29AM

Pocoyo wrote: »

europeans and the asians are without a doubt historically the superior races,I dont believe its a race issue today but a cultural one. The asians have an incredibly rich history of empire/civilization and invention,But today they shun that amazing history in favour of a nutty book,I believe the white bashing by the media is a trend,Liberalism has been hijacked by this line of self hating thought just like feminism has been hijacked by sexist nutjobs. Its seems a social hero today involves cutting your penis off,murdering your baby or being black and oppressed. Hero's arnt brainwashed soldiers or sexual freaks but carers,Nurses volunteers they are people that do what they do out of compassion not because they watched youtube videos.

I could go through this sentence by sentence, but i think "what the fcuk did I just read" pretty much covers things.

MarkAnthony · 25-07-2015 11:05AM

DryBalls wrote: »

I have to slightly disagree with you here. Using the scholarship example, the criteria would be that all people applying must be in the same financial position, same as here in Ireland, that if your household is below a certain income you do not receive a grant.

So to say that maybe a black person doesn't have the same finances therefore justifying the fact that there should be scholarships that are blatently racist excluding all white people is unfair.

On your point about black people not being able to achieve the same academics than whites therefore they should be allowed seperate scholarships...also unfair. Everyone is given the same opporutunity to education. Yes there are private schools etc. with higher education standards but students attending these would not seek financial aid.

And it is not right in my opinion to say that "well a certain race seems to have on average lower test scores so let's give them separate scholarships and exclude all others". Imagine the uproar if someone created a scholarship and said the criteria was that the person had to be living in hardship and also had to be Caucasian.

Imagine this situation: a white and black girl applied for all the same scholarships where the criteria was based solely on grades. They both had the same grades, the white girls were very slightly higher though. Both didn't get a scholarship. However the black girl then applied for this other scholarship that was unavailable to the white girl because it excluded Caucasians. The black girl was then awarded this scholarship based on her grades even though the white girls grades were slightly higher.

I think that is very unfair.

But I do agree that MTV are not really making a good effort at approaching his topic.

Edit: I may watch this documentary before taking my own opinions too seriously! But I am unsure they would change.

You're imputing a huge amount of Irish experience in to the above. In egalitarian terms the we're way ahead of the US a good comparison might be Ireland compared to Sweden. US scholarships are not grants, they're based on all sorts of criteria from athletic ability to social background. They are deliberately discriminatory and rightly so.

We have a similar set up here in some cases. Are you suggesting that someone with limited financial means, in a poor area in Dublin gets the same opportunities - educationally - then someone in Donnybrook? There are scholarships in Ireland designed to redress that balance. In the US the gap is even bigger.

Tony EH · 25-07-2015 11:47AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I remember when MTV played music with a half hour break in the evening for Beavis & Butthead.

My memories of MTV are vague, but they involve her:

OneOfThem · 25-07-2015 12:05PM

Anyone peddling this "privilege" sh1te should be shot to death with balls of their own sh1te. A more tiresome bunch of cretins the world has never known.

bnt · 25-07-2015 12:15PM

I'd never heard of this, but had a read of this article in The Atlantic.

It's hard to say exactly what I think about this. The thing that comes to mind is: I know black people can suffer discrimination that white people don't. However, a lack of discrimination does not translate to "priviliege". It's not a zero-sum game, where one person's disadvantage is another's advantage: by not discriminating against me, you're not doing me any favours. I don't benefit from the mistreatment of others; the whole human race is diminished by blind racism.

Nodin · 25-07-2015 12:20PM

Tony EH wrote: »

My memories of MTV are vague, but they involve her:

....seen her interviewed a while back. She converted to Islam.

Mesrine65 · 25-07-2015 12:27PM

She published a book called 'From MTV to Mecca: How Islam Inspired My Life'

Nodin · 25-07-2015 12:30PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

She published a book called 'From MTV to Mecca: How Islam Inspired My Life'

I may have been too busy going "what the jaysus......." to register more than the converted to Islam bit.

Harry Palmr · 25-07-2015 12:31PM

Do ISIS/ISIL/IS whateverthe****itis have a music channel?

Mesrine65 · 25-07-2015 12:34PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do ISIS/ISIL/IS whateverthe****itis have a music channel?

Jihadi-UAkbar-FM :eek:

Nodin · 25-07-2015 12:37PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do ISIS/ISIL/IS whateverthe****itis have a music channel?

There is Islamic extremist music, but it sounds suspiciously like Sean Nos........

OneOfThem · 25-07-2015 12:38PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Jihadi-UAkbar-FM :eek:

:eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBKgOyMzSc

(somebody with a talent for these things please please do an overlay / mash-up thing.)

InTheTrees · 25-07-2015 12:44PM

qwerty1991 wrote: »

We are told 96% of scholarships are available to white people These are available to EVERYONE regardless of skin colour, however we are just told they are available to white people in the documentary. They then ignore the fact that therefore 4% of all scholarships are basically racist, excluding people on the basis of their skin colour because according this documentary, excluding white people is ok

My girlfriend used to work for years in the Admissions department of a major west coast university.

University in the USA can cost a massive amount.

The system of grants and financial assistance and scholarships is very different than Ireland.

There's a huge amount of financial assistance available to minorities that might appear to be discriminatory to people outside those groups. Native Americas for instance, probably get the most, the reason being they have a disproportionately large dropout rate. What can you do?

Anyway, i havent watched the show. But will probably avoid.

Vincent Vega · 25-07-2015 12:49PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L104LViQeIw

hmmm.
not too sure i agree with that...

this guy however, is spot on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjUwUDkjHRc

Mesrine65 · 25-07-2015 01:35PM

Nodin wrote: »

There is Islamic extremist music, but it sounds suspiciously like Sean Nos........

Hande hoche! · 25-07-2015 02:28PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do ISIS/ISIL/IS whateverthe****itis have a music channel?

It's looking considerably less likely to happen.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-chief-singer-and-songwriter-maher-meshaal-killed-in-syria-airstrikes-activists-say/

Duckworth_Luas · 25-07-2015 02:32PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

It's looking considerably less likely to happen.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-chief-singer-and-songwriter-maher-meshaal-killed-in-syria-airstrikes-activists-say/

Groups like Queen, Nirvana and INXS couldn't continue after the lead singer and songwriter died.

Is this the end of the road for ISIL?

crockholm · 25-07-2015 08:15PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do ISIS/ISIL/IS whateverthe****itis have a music channel?

Indeed they do,they even have the weekly charts."Mullah Kintyre" just knocked "Slittin (throats) at the dock of a bay" off the top spot.

Owldshtok · 26-07-2015 12:22AM

valoren wrote: »

Using the "you're only doing/that this because I'm *ethnicity*" phrase is double standard racism. The implication bring that the person must be inherently racist to do what they're doing or say what they're saying. It's a cop out.

Or put simply:

Pocoyo · 26-07-2015 11:12AM

Wibbs wrote: »

I could go through this sentence by sentence, but i think "what the fcuk did I just read" pretty much covers things.

Are you blind of just stupid.

Mod: Banned

OneArt · 26-07-2015 12:55PM

Pocoyo wrote: »

europeans and the asians are without a doubt historically the superior races

Ancient Egypt, the Nubian Empire, the Aztecs, the Incas...

It's true that in recent history (colonialism, the Industrial Revolution etc.) seems to paint Europe in particular as dominant, but against the backdrop of history it's just one among many powerful and great civilizations.

Billy86 · 26-07-2015 09:36PM

OneArt wrote: »

Ancient Egypt, the Nubian Empire, the Aztecs, the Incas...

It's true that in recent history (colonialism, the Industrial Revolution etc.) seems to paint Europe in particular as dominant, but against the backdrop of history it's just one among many powerful and great civilizations.

There is a podcast called 'Dan Carlins Hardcore History' which does EXTREMELY long and well researched podcasts on great empires, world wars, etc... my favourite of which was a 9-10 hour one on Genghis Khan (broken into 4-5 parts). What is very interesting in it is that I was unaware of was that he swept through the middle East and into Europe with such ease because he had already conquered China... which would have absolutely eradicated the west if a war had occurred. Not only because of numbers and strength, but also the presence of gunpowder... when that stuff started flying over the city walls of Eastern Europe it really must have been like the famous scene from Independence Day with the giant spaceship/laser over the city, just a sense of "what the actual f*** is this stuff!?"

And of course there are also the likes of Mesopotamians and the Cradle of Civilization.

ScumLord · 27-07-2015 03:13PM

Billy86 wrote: »

What is very interesting in it is that I was unaware of was that he swept through the middle East and into Europe with such ease because he had already conquered China... which would have absolutely eradicated the west if a war had occurred.

Yeah, china could probably have wiped the floor with any army in history for most of history. They didn't seem to make the best use of gunpowder though. They did apparently sale an armada of ships to Africa, collect some animals and went home again. They just had no interest in the rest of the world. China had everything they could possibly need.

And of course there are also the likes of Mesopotamians and the Cradle of Civilization.

Probably the cradle of the Jewish religion too. They've found written laws from time that are exactly the same as those in the bible IE: "an eye for an eye".

justchecked · 27-07-2015 03:57PM

RayCon wrote: »

Bring back Head Bangers Ball ....

Bring back der feurer.

he'd put some of this generation straight.

Zombienosh · 27-07-2015 04:20PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

MTV?

Well there's your problem...

FYP

MTV's ''White People'' Documentary

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