Let's get something straight

FreeFallin · 25-07-2015 11:54PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Sorry, I seen your post and took it personal. Apologies.

Ah no, sure there's nothing wrong with your link at all. I'm surprised more than anything about how many people use the terms. Perhaps, like some of the other posters noted, it's how the language is evolving!

K4t · 25-07-2015 11:54PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

theres a Dublin business which used seen instead of saw in its literature.

It seems to becoming more widespread.

I saw the word asstetic used to describe the exterior of a car in a brochure recently.

Old Perry · 25-07-2015 11:58PM

I find the english ghetto speak usage of the word 'what' quite interesting, its used similar to the aforementioned 'of and have' except in this case 'that' is replaced with 'what'.. like russell brand was a bollix for using it that way, eg. 'him what said this last week'. its funny cause 'of and have' could simply be mispronunciation, but what and that are quite different.

Piriz · 26-07-2015 12:01AM

K4t wrote: »

They're not colloquialisms, it's bad grammar plain and simple. I can say to you "I go toilet now" or "I has a cold" and you'll understand what I mean, but the fact is it will still sound silly when I say it.

Your missing the point. I seen and i done are used and heard so often that it does not sound silly to many people, they dont understand the grammar rule, do u feel the same outrage if a person makes an arithmetic error, or wears colours that clash? You just come accross as intolerant and probably judgemental

Anesthetize · 26-07-2015 12:05AM

FreeFallin wrote: »

I think we need to take a moment to appreciate that 'I seen' and 'I done' should never be used in communication. It's 'I saw' and 'I did'. It's bulls**t how often people make this mistake verbally and in writing.

This is slowly driving me insane! To me it's as ridiculous as saying 'I driven home today' or 'I learned my friend how to swim'.

Actually it's I've seen and I've done

justchecked · 26-07-2015 12:06AM

FreeFallin wrote: »

I think we need to take a moment to appreciate that 'I seen' and 'I done' should never be used in communication. It's 'I saw' and 'I did'. It's bulls**t how often people make this mistake verbally and in writing.

This is slowly driving me insane! To me it's as ridiculous as saying 'I driven home today' or 'I learned my friend how to swim'.

I shall join your quest.
Yes I admit, my grammar is far from perfect.
However, this sht has gone on too long, along with those fcks who don't know whether to say they're, their, or there.

Anyway, I digress, this 'seen' thing has to stop, along with that yisser thing.

How would these fckers feel if someone said 'I sawed' this or 'I sawed' that ?

I imagine they'd correct you and tell you the correct English is 'I seen' whereupon one might kick them right in the fcking balls and say no, fcker, no, its not seen, read a fcking book some time you ignorant, come here you fck (at this point a book could be taken from the family room library).

Find me one fcking sentence with 'I seen' one sentence motherfcker, now read (at this point one removes ones belt and begins to whip the grammatically challenged and injured party), read motherfcker (whip) (whip), find me that sentence ni**er ! (whip)

Find it for me or Im gonna whoop you some more. At this point the guilty party (who we shall name Anthony) is crying and pleading for one to cease the incessant whipping, ones belt spattered with blood, the chaise-longe stained with spilled Merlot, the fine crystal glass set smashed to pieces on the stained oak-wood floor. The glazed tranche brioche du canard spoiled, the damage done, the lesson learned.

Then I piss on him.

K4t · 26-07-2015 12:15AM

Piriz wrote: »

Your missing the point. I seen and i done are used and heard so often that it does not sound silly to many people, they dont understand the grammar rule, do u feel the same outrage if a person makes an arithmetic error, or wears colours that clash? You just come accross as intolerant and probably judgemental

I'm obviously missing some point. Are they used that often? I've lived in the west of Ireland my whole life and while we wouldn't be best known for our linguistic skills, I seldom here "I seen" and "I done", so much so that it's noticeable when I do. Where have I shown outrage? If someone makes an arithmetic error, then it's an error. If someone uses bad grammar, it's bad grammar. I'm not sure how acknowledging bad grammar is a sign of intolerance, no more than acknowledging that 2+2 is not equal to 5 - obviously people are free to use bad grammar and say 2+2=5, but I'm damned if I'm going to sit there and think they're correct in what they're saying and that it's simply a case of things evolving. I think you're missing the point.

JacquesSon · 26-07-2015 12:19AM

'nall'in'nanyways

Did I spell that wrong?

dxhound2005 · 26-07-2015 12:20AM

justchecked wrote: »

I shall join your quest.
Yes I admit, my grammar is far from perfect.
However, this sht has gone on too long, along with those fcks who don't know whether to say they're, their, or there.

Anyway, I digress, this 'seen' thing has to stop, along with that yisser thing.

How would these fckers feel if someone said 'I sawed' this or 'I sawed' that ?

I imagine they'd correct you and tell you the correct English is 'I seen' whereupon one might kick them right in the fcking balls and say no, fcker, no, its not seen, read a fcking book some time you ignorant, come here you fck (at this point a book could be taken from the family room library).

Find me one fcking sentence with 'I seen' one sentence motherfcker, now read (at this point one removes ones belt and begins to whip the grammatically challenged and injured party), read motherfcker (whip) (whip), find me that sentence ni**er ! (whip)

Find it for me or Im gonna whoop you some more. At this point the guilty party (who we shall name Anthony) is crying and pleading for one to cease the incessant whipping, ones belt spattered with blood, the chaise-longe stained with spilled Merlot, the fine crystal glass set smashed to pieces on the stained oak-wood floor. The glazed tranche brioche du canard spoiled, the damage done, the lesson learned.

Then I piss on him.

There's no need to make such a seen.

kippy · 26-07-2015 12:21AM

I used to be like you OP, really I did. Then I hit my thirties, got married and had a family. Oh to be like you again and worry about such small issues.

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:31AM

There's a fair amount of defensiveness here. I wonder if "I seen" we're culchie rather than dub would it raise more angst.

26-07-2015 12:32AM

What's annoying me more is Americans saying, "on accident".

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:34AM

Anesthetize wrote: »

Actually it's I've seen and I've done

No. People are using I seen to replace I saw. Simple past not present perfect.

Gooners · 26-07-2015 12:34AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's annoying me more is Americans saying, "on accident".

Most annoying thing of all is the way young ones speak with a question mark at the end of every sentence.

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:36AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think you need to take a moment to consult the dictionary before condemning all and sundry. The verb to learn can mean to teach. So there.

Learn
(lɜːn)
vb, learns, learning, learned (lɜːnd) or learnt
1. (when tr, may take a clause as object) to gain knowledge of (something) or acquire skill in (some art or practice)

2. (tr) to commit to memory

3. (tr) to gain by experience, example, etc

4. (intr; often foll by of or about) to become informed; know

5. to teach

6. Number 5 is bollocks. So I have no link.

dxhound2005 · 26-07-2015 12:37AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

There's a fair amount of defensiveness here. I wonder if "I seen" we're culchie rather than dub would it raise more angst.

It's all round Ireland and all round the English speaking world.

I don't understand your usage of we're there.

dxhound2005 · 26-07-2015 12:37AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

6. Number 5 is bollocks. So I have no link.

Have you a dictionary?

Billy86 · 26-07-2015 12:40AM

I don't mind people with bad grammar; what I can't stand, is people with awful grammar holding other people's good grammar against them. Doesn't happen all too often but it's baffling to see/hear!

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:41AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's all round Ireland and all round the English speaking world.

I don't understand your usage of we're there.

Neither do I but it was auto correct. Absolutely no culture outside north side Dublin uses I seen.

Don't confuse it with I've seen which can be correct.

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:42AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Have you a dictionary?

Have you a link to yours?

Billy86 · 26-07-2015 12:44AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Have you a link to yours?

I put "learn definition" into Google and up it came, pretty quick and easy. Here you go - https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=learn%20definition

26-07-2015 12:44AM

Links me hole, stick it in.

dxhound2005 · 26-07-2015 12:50AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Neither do I but it was auto correct. Absolutely no culture outside north side Dublin uses I seen.

Don't confuse it with I've seen which can be correct.

Strange then that the discussion about I seen v I saw has attracted comment from all over the English speaking world and beyond for years. I'm not going to provide any links but you can use Google.

It absolutely is used in culchie land. I seen it myself and heard it many times.

The other fella · 26-07-2015 12:51AM

Piriz wrote: »

It is in fact not easy to learn and apply this for various reasons, people don't deliberately use incorrect grammar in most cases, if you have a good command of the language you should be glad and move on to working on other things like your levels of tolerance for others.
*cue Thug Life graphic and accompanying gangster rap tune*

:D:D

Son Of A Vidic · 26-07-2015 12:53AM

FreeFallin wrote: »

It's 'I saw' and 'I did'. It's bulls**t how often people make this mistake verbally and in writing.

This is slowly driving me insane!

I'm sure such irrelevant trivialities will cease troubling you, when you find something worth worrying about.

Right Turn Clyde · 26-07-2015 11:11AM

K4t wrote: »

They're not colloquialisms, it's bad grammar plain and simple. I can say to you "I go toilet now" or "I has a cold" and you'll understand what I mean, but the fact is it will still sound silly when I say it.

Ive already corrected myself on that. A colloquialism would be grammatically correct, but informal. Vernacular, on the other hand, is the everyday language that people use, whether grammatically correct or not.

Nobody says "I go toilet now." However, using 'seen' instead of 'saw' is very common. It's a part of Irish vernacular. Your example isn't. (Incidentally, you only need to listen to people from the Caribbean/West Indies, more specifically Rastafarians, to realise just how grammatically incorrect an established vernacular can become).

Not many of us speak or write in grammatically correct sentences. I certainly don't. Try listening to film critic Mark Kermode, who always tries (then fails) to speak correctly. I can assure you, it's far more irritating than what the OP is complaining about!

It's now commonplace to correct other people on their (often rather simple) grammatical shortcomings, while ignoring our own, simply because we're unaware of them.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 26-07-2015 12:35PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Neither do I but it was auto correct. Absolutely no culture outside north side Dublin uses I seen.

Don't confuse it with I've seen which can be correct.

Absolute rubbish. "I seen" is used all around this country, the UK and the US. What's with the assigning of "culture" to it?

It annoys me every time I hear such awful grammar but, unfortunately, it is becoming more and more prevalent.

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:51PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I put "learn definition" into Google and up it came, pretty quick and easy. Here you go - https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=learn%20definition

Archaic;informal.

Therefore not correct formally. Don't put it in a CV.

Eugene Norman · 26-07-2015 12:53PM

Greyson Low Bandit wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. "I seen" is used all around this country, the UK and the US. What's with the assigning of "culture" to it?

It annoys me every time I hear such awful grammar but, unfortunately, it is becoming more and more prevalent.

I've never heard it in the UK. And I used to go over there a lot. And I lived there. Nor on any UK TV show. In the U.S. a quick search indicates that some subset of black American culture use it. Still incorrect.

Hammer89 · 26-07-2015 01:06PM

I say "I seen" and I write for a living. We can associate it with illiterate idiots until we're blue in the face, but really, it's not about grammar, is it?

Let's get something straight

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