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Almost 100,000 cars in Ireland don’t get driven at all

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  • #32
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    NickDunne wrote: »
    Sorry, what hoops??

    I recently bought a car but its sitting up at the moment. Printed off form RF150, filled in details and an option of 3 sections(depending on circumstances i.e. just imported or bought 2nd hand). Sent it off and received the receipt the same week. Done.

    It's a bit of a nuisance, you have to do it every year when many cars are just sitting unused years without end and this aspect of it serves no purpose other than to catch people out ryanair-style for not reading the fine print. I tried to declare one off road and because there was more than a months tax on it I couldnt. The old system was definitely a lot more user friendly


  • #33
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    The old system was definitely a lot more user friendly

    Unfortunately we live in a country where getting one over "the gubber'ment" in an overall self defeating social cycle is a national past time.

    Whilst I agree you should be able to declare a car off the road for a long period e.g. 12 month installments, I feel the overall process is fair.


  • #34
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    They should place ANPR on all motorways and on the roads in to major cities to police off the road declarations and issue a hefty fine if people are caught.

    Would it not be better to forget the motor tax and put all taxes into fuels?


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kuro2k wrote: »
    I think it has actually cost the government, so many high tax cars that used to be taxed for 6 / 9 months have either been exported or are off the road full time now.

    I have a 96 3 litre Toyota 4x4 with passenger tax parked up, government used to get appox 1k from me when I taxed it for 9 month of the year, they have got nothing from me since the new rule came in...

    I know I'm not the only one

    Considering the amount of declarations has fallen from 300k to 100k I think it's safe to assume that at least 100k (half) of that drop are now paying motor tax rather than going with the false declaration route.

    No doubt some folk are like yourself.


  • #36
    hi5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭hi5


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Would it not be better to forget the motor tax and put all taxes into fuels?

    Fuel prices needs to be closely aligned with Northern Ireland, otherwise you would have massive fuel tourism/smuggling.


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  • #37
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    hi5 wrote: »
    Fuel prices needs to be closely aligned with Northern Ireland, otherwise you would have massive fuel tourism/smuggling.
    Same as it happens at borders all over continental Europe?


  • #38
    Lurching
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Lurching


    I thought the newer Garda cars have the automatic plate scanners nowadays?
    Surely it pops up on their screens to say whether Tax or NCT is valid?

    If not, what else is this system for?


  • #39
    kuro2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭kuro2k


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Would it not be better to forget the motor tax and put all taxes into fuels?

    You mean like in the past when the government abolished motor tax and put it on the cost of fuel only to reintroduce it a couple of years later?

    We are already paying the motor tax via fuel prices!!


  • #40
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    kuro2k wrote: »
    We are already paying the motor tax via fuel prices!!
    Let's leave it at that so. No point in having a separate bill for motor tax you are using your car or not.


  • #41
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Could be there are a few thousand people like my auld lad, he has about 3 complete bangers around the back, no intentions of restoring them or anything like that just it'd kill him to throw anything away :rolleyes:


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  • #42
    5ub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭5ub


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Could be there are a few thousand people like my auld lad, he has about 3 complete bangers around the back, no intentions of restoring them or anything like that just hates to throw anything away :rolleyes:

    Same here, we have a Nissan Sunny here that was once the grandfathers, and a one or two other yokes that were picked up years ago but they haven't seen the light of day in years.


  • #43
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Let's leave it at that so. No point in having a separate bill for motor tax you are using your car or not.

    Only if we can also have cheaper tax-free 'green petrol' to throw into my outboard


  • #44
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,734 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Lurching wrote: »
    I thought the newer Garda cars have the automatic plate scanners nowadays?
    Surely it pops up on their screens to say whether Tax or NCT is valid?

    If not, what else is this system for?

    Ha ! - you wish. But no, they don't. AMHIK :) :P

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #45
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,734 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Could be there are a few thousand people like my auld lad, he has about 3 complete bangers around the back, no intentions of restoring them or anything like that just it'd kill him to throw anything away :rolleyes:

    Exactly, I know someone with (at the last count...) 22 cars like that. And we're not talking wrecks so. 540i, LS430, S320 various 7-series etc. None will ever see the road. Asked why he bought one particular car, he replied "I always wanted to see what the inside of a V8 looked like" !! :p:p

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #46
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Unfortunately we live in a country where getting one over "the gubber'ment" in an overall self defeating social cycle is a national past time.

    Whilst I agree you should be able to declare a car off the road for a long period e.g. 12 month installments, I feel the overall process is fair.

    Why does it need to be done in installments? It should be good enough to say 'this car is off the road until I tax it again'.

    The government gets ones over on us all the time to help banks in big prosperous European nations get their return on investment. Property tax, water tax, usc, broadcast charge (shelved till after next election) and nearly all these were instigated by Pig Phil who is living the good life on the Algarva, probably bumbling around some posh hotel with two pint glasses in his hand as we speak, back to the table full of business tycoons who earn an awful lot doing almost nothing


  • #47
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Poor people can not afford a new car or the motor tax on their old cars. It is what it is.


  • #48
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Why does it need to be done in installments? It should be good enough to say 'this car is off the road until I tax it again'.

    Because you are making the crucial mistake that people are honest. They are not. If they can get away with saving a few euro's here and there, at the expense of society, they will.

    For instance, I travel a lot. Why can't I log in online and pause my car tax? I buy my 365 days and if I'm out of the country for 6 weeks, I can credit those forward to 2016. No problem in implementing that. We have the technology in the world today to do to his, we could even have an App. But that doesn't suit the public service as if you were to implement this, you'd probably put a few hundred out of the job. It would also take 15 years and a tribunal to set up. I'm fairly sure a private company could go from scratch to ANPR on every road in 12 months, a full end to end fair tax system. Same goes for insurance.

    Its not in the interest of the State or any business for someone to be on extended credit. Hence, you impose a limit and a tight renewal date.

    I fully agree with you however. I should be able to say 'Its off the road' and thats it.


  • #49
    turbocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭turbocab


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Would it not be better to forget the motor tax and put all taxes into fuels?
    yeh makes the best sense,fool proof pay as you use the fuel dont pay when you dont ,what could be fairer,


  • #50
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Because you are making the crucial mistake that people are honest. They are not. If they can get away with saving a few euro's here and there, at the expense of society, they will.

    For instance, I travel a lot. Why can't I log in online and pause my car tax? I buy my 365 days and if I'm out of the country for 6 weeks, I can credit those forward to 2016. No problem in implementing that. We have the technology in the world today to do to his, we could even have an App. But that doesn't suit the public service as if you were to implement this, you'd probably put a few hundred out of the job. It would also take 15 years and a tribunal to set up. I'm fairly sure a private company could go from scratch to ANPR on every road in 12 months, a full end to end fair tax system. Same goes for insurance.

    Its not in the interest of the State or any business for someone to be on extended credit. Hence, you impose a limit and a tight renewal date.

    I fully agree with you however. I should be able to say 'Its off the road' and thats it.


    Some people are honest, some not. Yet the government just tars everyone with the same brush. Sure it's easier for them to milk some more money from the honest folk to cover up the shortfall than to find the actual wrongdoers


  • #51
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Red Kev wrote: »
    There are also a huge amount of ordinary people who were on a 3 month on, three month off thing with the tax. It was abused massively. These people are now taxing their cars 12 months of the year.

    Dunno about that. A lot of those people are now on 3 month on, 6 month (or more) off and then "keep it in the family": change ownership to a friend / wife / family member so the back tax is written off automatically

    Those people are now paying even less tax than before

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • #52
    PurvesGrundy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭PurvesGrundy


    unkel wrote: »
    Those people are now paying even less tax than before

    Very concerning, I must admit.

    Irish Water will need all the money they can get now that no one is paying their bills!

    How can these people be such scum??:rolleyes:


  • #53
    Sh1tbag OToole
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭Sh1tbag OToole


    PurvesGrundy wrote: »
    Very concerning, I must admit.

    Irish Water will need all the money they can get now that no one is paying their bills!

    How can these people be such scum??:rolleyes:

    Feck it Denis O'Brien might actually have to put off the purchase of his next billion quid yacht if people don't pay up soon.


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