The arrest and death of Sandra Bland.

23-07-2015 11:52PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

How could anyone remain calm after the umpteenth time of being pulled over.

How about 'because it's the police and if you are not calm the situation will escalate and you might get arrested'?

23-07-2015 11:56PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

"Thats all that seems to get reported"??

What utter nonsense.

It's not nonsense, the black people who have been killed have been turned into worldwide sensations and they have become household names (even for a petty thug like Michael Brown who assaulted the policeman). Yet I haven't heard any people giving much coverage to white people's deaths at the hands of either police or black people. It doesn't seem to be fashionable to report that at the moment, as ridiculous as that sounds.

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2015 12:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not nonsense, the black people who have been killed have been turned into worldwide sensations and they have become household names (even for a petty thug like Michael Brown who assaulted the policeman). Yet I haven't heard any people giving much coverage to white people's deaths at the hands of either police or black people. It doesn't seem to be fashionable to report that at the moment, as ridiculous as that sounds.

That's as there is no pot to stir. Or special interest groups getting a platform. It's an American policing problem not just a handy Racist police problem.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 12:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet I haven't heard any people giving much coverage to white people's deaths at the hands of either police or black people.

Well where are you then?

Here in Seattle, the local evening news is a catalog of all kinds of variations of violence between every kind of person.

We had a (white) pregnant woman shot just a few days ago and her unborn child was killed.

Caused outrage. Still is too.

I have no idea where you are that you only hear about white crimes against black people.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 12:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't seem to be fashionable to report that at the moment, as ridiculous as that sounds.

Yeah it does.

What news are you watching?

Chimichangas · 24-07-2015 12:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not nonsense, the black people who have been killed have been turned into worldwide sensations and they have become household names (even for a petty thug like Michael Brown who assaulted the policeman). Yet I haven't heard any people giving much coverage to white people's deaths at the hands of either police or black people. It doesn't seem to be fashionable to report that at the moment, as ridiculous as that sounds.

What you say does sound ridiculous but it nearly fits in well, because this incident also sounds ridiculous, but it really happened. Dont let that stop the old smoke and mirrors on your part though. :rolleyes:

She was 'arrested' (technically she was under arrest from being pulled over and given a ticket the cop said..) over not putting out a cigarette in her own car, after likely lighting it while waiting the few minutes it took him to write the ticket.? How do we know she blew smoke in his face?

She was no fool either, and her only mistake(s) was that she was probably too smart, too confident and a woman for the policeman to accept. She was annoyed too as she explained, over the whole changing lanes for him.

He lost it, hope he gets the book thrown at him.
Or at least realises the guilt of his actions, and that it is also recognised by his peers.

cnocbui · 24-07-2015 12:20AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Where is the media circus that's the point.

If you want to try Googling 'Albuquerque police shoot boyd' you will get 190,000 results. That incident has lead to several media circuses.

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2015 12:20AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Well where are you then?

Here in Seattle, the local evening news is a catalog of all kinds of variations of violence between every kind of person.

We had a (white) pregnant woman shot just a few days ago and her unborn child was killed.

Caused outrage. Still is too.

I have no idea where you are that you only hear about white crimes against black people.

So it only gets on the local news, That's the entire point.

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2015 12:21AM

cnocbui wrote: »

If you want to try Googling 'Albuquerque police shoot boyd' you will get 190,000 results. That incident has lead to several media circuses.

So one case then, Keep them coming.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 12:28AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So it only gets on the local news, That's the entire point.

Seriously. Where are you?

There's local and network news in the US. If want the complete catalog of violence you start at the local level where there's 1000's of stations.

The big salacious stories get onto national news.

Last week and the week before there was a couple of (white) murderers who escaped from prison and killed a few people and caused a massive manhunt. It was all over the news for days until they were caught.

The colorado shooter (white) who's facing the death penalty for massacring (white) people in a movie theatre is all over the news right now.

Maybe rte didnt cover those stories?

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2015 12:35AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Seriously. Where are you?

There's local and network news in the US. If want the complete catalog of violence you start at the local level where there's 1000's of stations.

The big salacious stories get onto national news.

Last week and the week before there was a couple of (white) murderers who escaped from prison and killed a few people and caused a massive manhunt. It was all over the news for days until they were caught.

The colorado shooter (white) who's facing the death penalty for massacring (white) people in a movie theatre is all over the news right now.

Maybe rte didnt cover those stories?

No, one is being obtuse for the sake of it. White on black get higher rating and sells more papers. When was the last white Riot to do with one of their community being gunned down by police. When was the last time people went out in support of a member of their community by looting.

cnocbui · 24-07-2015 12:37AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes but your woman in the fist car did not give lip did she ? Not saying the guy is not on a power trip with the orders. But seems the first woman following orders and being polite had an effect on the outcome.

Are you for real? The woman in the first car was not told to do something she wasn't legally obliged to do and found objectionable. If the cop had told her to flash her tits or give him a kiss, I doubt she would have complied and refrained from giving him 'lip'.

This idea you seem to have that women faced with police aggression should be utterly meek and compliant and obey all orders is actually sick.

RWCNT · 24-07-2015 12:39AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No, one is being obtuse for the sake of it. White on black get higher rating and sells more papers. When was the last white Riot to do with one of their community being gunned down by police. When was the last time people went out in support of a member of their community by looting.

What's your point with the rioting and looting?

darkpagandeath · 24-07-2015 12:39AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Are you for real? The woman in the first car was not told to do something she wasn't legally obliged to do and found objectionable. If the cop had told her to flash her tits or give him a kiss, I doubt she would have complied and refrained from giving him 'lip'.

This idea you seem to have that women faced with police aggression should be utterly meek and compliant and obey all orders is actually sick.

I see what's going on 1 out of 10 I'm out.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 12:42AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No, one is being obtuse for the sake of it. White on black get higher rating and sells more papers. When was the last white Riot to do with one of their community being gunned down by police. When was the last time people went out in support of a member of their community by looting.

Wait.

First you say white violence gets no attention, so i give you examples.

Now you're saying there arent many white riots???

Hagar7 · 24-07-2015 12:46AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not an expert on US law but if the cop perceived a danger from the cigarette, why wouldn't he ask her to put it out?

Sounds like a lawful request to me.

Same if she had a pipe wrench in her hand. He'd be within his rights to ask her to put that down too.

I know cigarettes are dangerous but you've taken them to a whole new level.

cnocbui · 24-07-2015 12:46AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So one case then, Keep them coming.

Just a flesh wound, eh?

Eugene Norman · 24-07-2015 12:51AM

I'd like to replace the #blacklivesmatter hashtag ( which is really #blackamericanlivesmatter) with a #nonamericanlives matter.

I'd take black Americans victimhood more seriously if black Americans as a block opposed military adventurism and general American imperialism but I don't see it. An occasional complaint about Israel would be nice. I don't see it (unless a black president is insulted abd then the problem is with insulting the president, not the mass murder of Palestinians). A black caucus that universally opposed wars against non-Americans would be nice. I don't see it.

Why is the death of any American of any colour worth so much more than the deaths of others? Why these stories and not Mexico. How much more column inches does every American death -- however appalling within its own society -- get than the deaths caused by American militarism or proxy warmongering by its client States, or paramilitaries?

RedemptionZ · 24-07-2015 12:55AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

The woman was in jail for 3 days, She had just got her phone call to post bail and was then found dead hanging by a plastic bag in her cell less than 1 hour after the phone call to get out, Thats why this is so suspicious.

You have to bear in mind the reason this started was not using an indicator while changing lanes, She had just got a new job and was not a murderer/criminal/sex offender etc. who might have thought it better to commit suicide than face the consequences.

Its a sad story, and unfortunately race probably did play a part in her arrest. However I dislike the #blacklivesmatter because it, unintentionally, makes it an us against them situation. In the recent riots and looting, I've seen videos of gangs of blacks targeting and attacking whites, and Asians bizarrely. it just isolates themselves from the others. Hispanics face discrimination. As do Asians occasionally. I'd say white foreigners from Eastern Europe do too. The slogan should be stop discrimination for everyone

cnocbui · 24-07-2015 12:55AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I'd like to replace the #blacklivesmatter hashtag ( which is really #blackamericanlivesmatter) with a #nonamericanlives matter.

I'd take black Americans victimhood more seriously if black Americans as a block opposed military adventurism and general American imperialism but I don't see it. An occasional complaint about Israel would be nice. I don't see it (unless a black president is insulted abd then the problem is with insulting the president, not the mass murder of Palestinians). A black caucus that universally opposed wars against non-Americans would be nice. I don't see it.

Why is the death of any American of any colour worth so much more than the deaths of others? Why these stories and not Mexico. How much more column inches does every American death -- however appalling within its own society -- get than the deaths caused by American militarism or proxy warmongering by its client States, or paramilitaries?

If we can work out some relevance in that to Sandra Bland, do we get a marshmallow or a straight-jacket?

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 01:00AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Why is the death of any American of any colour worth so much more than the deaths of others? Why these stories and not Mexico. How much more column inches does every American death -- however appalling within its own society -- get than the deaths caused by American militarism or proxy warmongering by its client States, or paramilitaries?

Because if you watch mainstream US news it tends to be...about the us?

I mean do you get a lot of mexican news on rte? Or even french news on rte?

Not sure what youre asking.

Do you ever watch Vice News? Even PBS does good stories. Mother Jones. The Nation.

RedemptionZ · 24-07-2015 01:02AM

cnocbui wrote: »

If we can work out some relevance in that to Sandra Bland, do we get a marshmallow or a straight-jacket?

It's a general commentary on how the black community responds to these incidents, not too hard to follow! He does go on a bit of a tangent after but the start of his post is relevant to this.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 01:03AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I'd take black Americans victimhood more seriously if black Americans as a block opposed military adventurism and general American imperialism but I don't see it. An occasional complaint about Israel would be nice.

DO you know how the Black Panthers were formed?

:rolleyes:

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 01:04AM

cnocbui wrote: »

If we can work out some relevance in that to Sandra Bland, do we get a marshmallow or a straight-jacket?

Its late back home.

Eugene Norman · 24-07-2015 01:05AM

By the way I don't have time for the right wingers who think they are living in America, and who defend the police or support the "whites" as if american whites were us, or we had anything in common besides skin colour and the colonisation of our minds by Anerican ideologues, left and right

All Americans have power and privilege coming from being in an increasingly destructive empire, an empire which once was restrained by the soviets (and probably was the better of two evils, but an evil nevertheless particularly if you lived in countries where the U.S. imposed mass murdering dictators rather than the relatively benign control of its Western European vassal states) but is now wildly throwing its weight about, mostly in the Middle East and supported, in these activities, by its entire population regardless of skin colour.

Meanwhile its left academy manages to convince the world to look not at american chauvinism but concentrate on "white, male and cis gender" privilege because that's not really going to challenge the hegemon. If did challenge American power, it wouldn't be taught by the hegemony and you wouldn't think it.

The more powerful America gets, the more invisible its power gets.

Eugene Norman · 24-07-2015 01:06AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because if you watch mainstream US news it tends to be...about the us?

I mean do you get a lot of mexican news on rte? Or even french news on rte?

Not sure what youre asking.

Do you ever watch Vice News? Even PBS does good stories. Mother Jones. The Nation.

Why the fcuk are you watching American news? Mexico is as far away.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 01:10AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Why the fcuk are you watching American news? Mexico is as far away.

Because i'm in Seattle.

Cant avoid it.

Eugene Norman · 24-07-2015 01:14AM

cnocbui wrote: »

If we can work out some relevance in that to Sandra Bland, do we get a marshmallow or a straight-jacket?

Your inability to work out why the killing of one person by a cop thousands of miles away in the U.S. is more important than the killing of 42 students by Mexican (among other examples) is your problem not mine.

Want to be really anti-American? Stop worrying about internal American issues and protest american imperialism. I wore my shoes out protesting American involvement in southern and Central America as a kid with my far leftist dad, and again on Afghanistan and Iraq. Much good it did.

A single cop killing ( or more likely a suicide) wouldn't have made regional news a decade ago.

worry about the external victims of America not its internal victims. The former far exceed the latter.

InTheTrees · 24-07-2015 01:21AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Your inability to work out why the killing of one person by a cop thousands of miles away in the U.S. is more important than the killing of 42 students by Mexican (among other examples) is your problem not mine.

You know it is possible to think about more than one issue at a time.

The drug violence in Mexico is at War levels. 30,000+ dead in about five years makes The Troubles look tame.

That doesnt mean US race relations arent important.

Or anti-capitalism. Or any of a hundred injustices.

Chimichangas · 24-07-2015 01:25AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Your inability to work out why the killing of one person by a cop thousands of miles away in the U.S. is more important than the killing of 42 students by Mexican (among other examples) is your problem not mine.

Want to be really anti-American? Stop worrying about internal American issues and protest american imperialism. I wore my shoes out protesting American involvement in southern and Central America as a kid with my far leftist dad, and again on Afghanistan and Iraq. Much good it did.

A single cop killing ( or more likely a suicide) wouldn't have made regional news a decade ago.

worry about the external victims of America not its internal victims. The former far exceed the latter.

You dont make sense. So your point(s) is unclear. Please try harder.
Maybe with an original thread?

The arrest and death of Sandra Bland.

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