The arrest and death of Sandra Bland.

Hagar7

Disgraceful,totally disgraceful.
Summary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33627708

In the video, released by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS), Brian Encinia, a white police officer, is seen issuing a ticket and then asking Bland to stub out her cigarette, which she refuses.
When she refuses to step out of the car, he tries unsuccessfully to pull her out. He then appears to threaten her with a Taser and says the words: "I will light you up."
She gets out of the car and they move out of vision, but the audio suggests the confrontation becomes physical before more officers arrive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05mAnnEnvx4

jaymcg91

Social media seems to have played a positive role in garnering this awful incident national attention in America. I believe the FBI are investigating it now.

Has cover up written ALL over it. I think I read that the Police Chief for the local area has suddenly taken early retirement?

Mmhmmm.

The Backwards Man

Thread title reads like an old Western.

Hagar7

jaymcg91 wrote: »

Social media seems to have played a positive role in garnering this awful incident national attention in America. I believe the FBI are investigating it now.

Has cover up written ALL over it. I think I read that the Police Chief for the local area has suddenly taken early retirement?

Mmhmmm.

Perhaps it might help if they ALL retired early.
660 people have been killed so far this year,
644 members of the public,16 were cops.

conorh91

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Thread title reads like an old Western.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqqQcjK2phU

Peregrine

Mod note:
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Son Of A Vidic

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Thread title reads like an old Western.

Worryingly, The Outlaws would obviously have to be some cops who appear to be outta control, power tripping, over reacting, intolerant & almost Nazi like in nature.

Hagar7

Hagar7 wrote: »

Perhaps it might help if they ALL retired early.
660 people have been killed so far this year,
644 members of the public,16 were cops.

But out of those 644 how many were by police and how many were by civilians?

Funny how these incidents only garner attention in the media when it's white on black, whereas if the perpetrator is black on black or black on white, nobody really seems to have the same degree of outrage.

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny how these incidents only garner attention in the media when it's white on black, whereas if the perpetrator is black on black or black on white, nobody really seems to have the same degree of outrage.

Ah, not this sh!t again, please.

donegaLroad

She had just moved half way across the country to start a new job. Why would someone then go and hang themselves?
Something stinks here

deco nate

Hagar7 wrote: »

Perhaps it might help if they ALL retired early.
660 people have been killed so far this year,
644 members of the public,16 were cops.

But this is about a woman that died under police custody, then the police release the video that has been edited by someone and then when found out the police chief resigns.
Audio left intact /parts of the video were reused, did you watch the video?

eeepaulo

Little Hitler will be along shortly to tell us

conorh91

osarusan wrote: »

Ah, not this sh!t again, please.

It's a fair point. I don't believe you can tackle the (obvious, undisputed) problem American police have with race relations until you tackle the question of whether certain minorities display an anomalous propensity to gun crime or violent crime generally.

We shouldn't be afraid of asking questions, since nothing excuses police brutality.

Of course we can distinguish Sandra Bland's case from some of the others, in that we can see there was never any threat from Sandra Bland. It looks like a case of the policeman on a power trip, furious that his authority might be undermined by a woman smoking a cigarette in his presence.

osarusan

conorh91 wrote: »

Of course we can distinguish Sandra Bland's case from some of the others, in that we can see there was never any threat from Sandra Bland. It looks like a case of the policeman on a power trip, furious that his authority might be undermined by a woman smoking a cigarette in his presence.

Indeed, which explains my response to someone trying to shoehorn that angle into the thread.

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny how these incidents only garner attention in the media when it's white on black

The killing of white Farmers in Zimbabwe got global coverage.

RichardCeann

osarusan wrote: »

Ah, not this sh!t again, please.

Doesn't suit the narrative, no? Prefer to lay the blame for Americas racial problems on the cops instead. The majority of murders in the US are committed by African Americans. Which is staggering considering that they make up less than the 15% of the population.

deco nate

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The killing of white Farmers in Zimbabwe got global coverage.

Yea but that's because the white farmers were the minority..... Oh..... Em...

RichardCeann

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The killing of white Farmers in Zimbabwe got global coverage.

Mass killings of a particular group of people usually do. The South African farm murders currently going on gain very little traction in the media.

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

Ah, not this sh!t again, please.

What sh*t do you mean, statistics?

The numbers don't really back up the media coverage which seems to portray an out of control police force in the US that go out of their way to brutalise and kill black people.

The story never gets told about the work the white police do to help black communities and keep them safe. Neither does black on black crime get anywhere near the same coverage.

Wompa1

The fact the video is clearly edited and looped in parts while the audio seems to be in constant flow is pretty telling.

Apparently, she actual told somebody at the Jail that she had previously attempted suicide...she checked some box on an eval form saying She was not suicidal...

there's also now rumors that she's actually dead in her mugshot!!

conorh91

osarusan wrote: »

Indeed, which explains my response to someone trying to shoehorn that angle into the thread.

He was responding quite fairly to a different point about gun crime. Maybe you should tackle the person who originally raised that stat…

Anyway sorry for adding to the derailment. There is nothing ambivalent about the policeman being at fault in how he conducted himself here. Clearly a power trip.

osarusan

conorh91 wrote: »

He was responding quite fairly to a different point about gun crime. Maybe you should tackle the person who originally raised that stat...

There was nothing fair about the response. The question they asked demonstrated that they know nothing about that particular statistic.

644 deaths refers specifically to people killed by police, and the poster is asking how many of those 644 were killed by civilians, while arguing 'statistics'.

conorh91

osarusan wrote: »

There was nothing fair about the response. The question they asked demonstrated that they know nothing about that particular statistic.

644 deaths refers specifically to people killed by police, and the poster is asking how many of those 644 were killed by civilians, while arguing 'statistics'.

But sure you can only know if that's disproportionate if you know the statistics for gun crime/ criminality amongst civilians…


If 70% of the people carrying guns in Hicksville are only 35% of the town's demographic, then you shouldn't be surprised when police interaction with that minority is two times bigger than it 'should' be. Do you get my drift?

This has nothing to do with Sandra Bland of course…..

Hagar7

Hagar7 wrote: »

660 people have been killed so far this year,
644 members of the public,16 were cops.

Deleted User wrote: »

But out of those 644 how many were by police and how many were by civilians?

osarusan wrote: »

There was nothing fair about the response. The question they asked demonstrated that they know nothing about that particular statistic.

644 deaths refers specifically to people killed by police, and the poster is asking how many of those 644 were killed by civilians, while arguing 'statistics'.

I don't get it. Please explain the stats for my simple brain.

osarusan

conorh91 wrote: »

If 70% of the people carrying guns in Hicksville are only 35% of the town's demographic, then you shouldn't be surprised when police interaction with that minority is two times bigger than it 'should' be. Do you get my drift?

This has nothing to do with Sandra Bland of course…..

Your drift doesn't have anything to do with either of my two points.

The first of which is that I don't think these arguments are relevant in a case like Sarah Bland's, and the second is that while that poster is mentioning statistics, they are clearly unfamiliar with the only one posted so far on the thread. Their question demonstrated that.

PandaPoo

People are saying she's dead and lying on the floor in her mugshot. I feel ill just thinking that's a possibility horrible story.

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

What sh*t do you mean, statistics?

What statistics?

deco nate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't get it. Please explain the stats for my simple brain.

More then 664 people have been killed in the US this year.... The above is the total, deaths is involving police, police deaths have not been subtracted

osarusan

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't get it. Please explain the stats for my simple brain.

660 = police-related deaths. Of that 660:

644* = people killed by police (I get the impression you think it is the total number of deaths in the USA this year, but that is of course way higher.)

16 = number of police killed.

So when you start asking the question you did about how many of the 644* deaths were caused by civilians, it tells me that you are not at all familiar with this statistic.



*now 647.

Guy:Incognito

donegaLroad wrote: »

She had just moved half way across the country to start a new job. Why would someone then go and hang themselves?
Something stinks here

It might well turn out not to be true in this case but lots of people who seem very happy to those around them commit suicide.

Friends and family of Gary Speed commented how he seemed in a good place and talking about the future the day before he commited suicide.

crockholm

Once,when I was living over there I had an "interaction" with a cop,I made sure to answer his questions clearly and concisely,and finished the sentence with "sir",even when he asked stupid questions,even when he mocked my Irish surname,I never once gave the fukker any sassmouth.After 10-12 minutes,I was on my way.