The arrest and death of Sandra Bland.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You really think what was said was unreasonable? How exactly should he have asked her?

What was said was not only unreasonable, it was illegal. He shouldn't have asked her in any way, which is in part why he has been put on administrative leave for violating arrest procedure.

Do you need to comply with a police demand to put out your cigarette?

There is no law that would require you to put out your cigarette.

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Do you need to comply with a police demand to get out of your car?

Not unless it’s related to the violation. If a police officer smells alcohol on your breath, he or she can ask you to get out of the car. If you’ve been pulled over for a turn signal violation, there’s no reason to ask you to get out of the car unless there’s something additional in that interaction that rises to the level of probable cause, such as an officer seeing a baggie of pot in the car, or something else that gives rise to a crime.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/23/breaking-down-the-legal-issues-in-sandra-blands-arrest/

And since you seem so peachy keen on people complying with reasonable requests by other people, what is you position on:

“You’re about to break my wrist. Can you stop?”

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How did her skin tone affect any of this ?

Nice try.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So it was a perfectly reasonable request then,yeah? Glad we cleared up that. That's what the conversation was about. Nothing else.

Is that how you deal with people in your everyday life btw? Standing there smoking in their face and if they ask you not to you just say "no, you can't legally make me stop"? Or would it be common courtesy to not do it?

No. Of course it wasn't.

In a civilised society police cant go ordering citizens to do what they want.

The question is why do you think they can?

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darkpagandeath wrote: »

Answer the Question. How does ones skin tone in that situation change anything. We have no information of this guy being Racist or any previous form for abuse of power. All I See is pitchforks as the guy is white and she was black. He could have easily done this to a white woman.

It doesn't have any bearing.

You need to move on from the race fixation.

Her constitutional rights were clearly violated, she ended up in jail for three days over a traffic stop and was then found dead.

If race isn't a factor would all this be fine with you? You seem to be implying it would be which is odd.

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darkpagandeath wrote: »

Because no one has a shred of proof it was motivated by Race It's not rocket science. Care to link to information stating this was a Racist attack. And I Don't want a special interest groups opinion. Facts.

Your completely missing the point.

There's more than one issue at play here.

Only one of them is the issue of police brilitality against black people.

And racism isn't a crime.

We can still talk about it though if that's alright with you.

The county she was arrested in had the highest number of public lynchings of black people in the state of Texas.

The police chief, who has since resigned was hired there after being fired for racism at his last police job.

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the way I was in my own interaction with US police (I was drinking on the street and being loud and drunk).

The police were stern, and intimidating, but I just played along with the game of 'yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir' and was warned and sent on my way. I had heard that police over there were not to be messed with, so I just showed respect and gave them no reason to arrest me.

Anytime I see these videos of black Americans being arrested by police, they always seem to be resistant and stroppy and lead to the situation escalating.

If they tell you to put out the cigarette PUT OUT THE CIGARETTE
If they tell you to get out off the car GET OUT OF THE DAMN CAR!

Don't ask "why", don't resist because it's a no-win game with the US police. They should surely have learned this lesson by now.

May be a little different for black people. Chris Rock went through a few months of posting on Instagram each time he got pulled over. I think this lady was clearly getting harassed. I'd bet many do. During Ferguson a retired New York Cop started getting fired up on the radio trying to defend the police and he said the cops are overworked.

He made the point (not realizing how bad it made them sound and how it actually confirms what the black community have claimed) that they would have to meet quotas and were told to meet these quotas by questioning black people for any reason possible. Clearly harassment...

How could anyone remain calm after the umpteenth time of being pulled over.

osarusan wrote: »

Was race a factor? It's obviously possible, but I haven't seen any evidence that it was. Stuff about lynchings and the county sheriff doesn't hold much weight as evidence.

It is quite possible that the guy is a dick to everybody and anybody who doesn't show him the deference he feels he deserves.

Race is clearly a factor in the way policing is carried out across the United States.

In this particular case, there's mixed communications...they've said the cop was on his way to a call out for something else...If that's true, he was willing to spend several minutes pulling her over for not using her indicator when SWITCHING lanes...BS...

He was driving in the opposite direction. She turned out of a junction (not switching lanes)...as she drove past him in the other direction. He decides to do a U-Turn. He gets behind her, she then moves over to get out of the way and then she's pulled over.

That's a very improbable cause for getting pulled over. Particularly in the US where nobody uses their indicators. Police included. He pulled her over for a reason...I think it was too quick for a scan of her plate (if he did do a scan, he would have found that she had been involved in activism against police treatment of minorities) but he would have been able to see her clearly as she turned...

There's a reason why he chose to pull her over and it wasn't because she failed to indicate and I believe that reason is because she was black.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

There is plenty of brutality going around it's not just all on black people, Yet that's all that seems to get reported.

"Thats all that seems to get reported"??

What utter nonsense.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Answer the Question. How does ones skin tone in that situation change anything. We have no information of this guy being Racist or any previous form for abuse of power. All I See is pitchforks as the guy is white and she was black. He could have easily done this to a white woman.

You need to have another look at the video of Sandra Bland being pulled over.

At the start of that video, the cop has pulled over another young woman. She doesn't have the insurance documents for the car and was caught exceeding the speed limit. He's as nice as pie, tells her to get daddy to email the papers to her and just gives her a warning and almost trips over his tongue in trying to reassure her that she has nothing to worry about.

For Sandra Bland, he issues her a warning for not signalling, even though all her paperwork is in order, issues illegal instructions to her, threatens to taser her, uses considerable physical force against her, which might even constitute assault, and unlawfully arrests her.

If the young woman in the first car wasn't white, I'm Humphrey Bogart.