The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

ArmaniJeanss · 20-07-2015 11:30AM

Pighead wrote: »

Are you sure that's right? I thought it was a lot simpler than that. ie the line up being as follows.

Quarter-finals
Dublin v Cork/Kildare
Kerry v Fermanagh/Westmeath
Mayo v Galway/Donegal
Monaghan v Tyrone/Sligo

ie Monaghan will play the winners of Tyrone V Sligo etc etc. No if's or buts. Is it more complicated than this?

Yours is the most likely outcome (probably 75%+ chance) as its the way it pans out if one provincial finalist wins on each half of the draw.
But the more complicated draw of JB81s above is the correct full draw.

The confusion seems to arise when some media pointed out (correctly) that Cork would play Dublin if they beat Kildare.
Other people then took the flawed leap that Kildare would therefore play Dublin if they beat Cork and extrapolated the rest of the draw from this wrong assumption.

munchkin_utd · 20-07-2015 11:35AM

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

That is the correct draw, AFAIK..no idea where all the complications are coming from!

because thats not the draw.

Heres the info from the GAA webpage from today.
Its hard to read, but basically its all combinations of the winners of the outstanding qualifiers on the left vs the winners of provincials.

The All-Ireland quarter-final draw is subject to provincial final winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own province in this round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.
***
Quarter-Finals (A)

Option 1
Fermanagh v Kerry
Cork v Dublin

Option 2
Fermanagh v Dublin
Kildare v Kerry

Option 3
Westmeath v Kerry
Cork v Dublin

Option 4
Westmeath v Kerry
Kildare v Dublin

Provincial Finals (Kerry v Cork, Dublin v Westmeath), other repeat pairings (Dublin v Kildare)

***
Quarter-Finals (B)

Option 1
Donegal v Mayo
Tyrone v Monaghan

Option 2
Galway v Monaghan
Tyrone v Mayo

Option 3
Donegal v Mayo
Sligo v Monaghan

Option 4
Galway v Mayo
Sligo v Monaghan

Provincial Finals (Monaghan v Donegal, Mayo v Sligo), other repeat pairings (Mayo v Galway)
***

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2007151056-all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-07-2015 11:54AM

corny wrote: »

They could have won yes but it wasn't just wayward shooting missing from that performance. When the play broke down between halves there was a marked difference in the pace of transition from both teams. Time and again i spotted Donegal lads laboured in tracking back or moving forward. Thats completely out of character based upon previous years and its my experience you can't just wave a magic wand to rectify such issues.

A hesitant Monaghan (in the second half) team almost allowed them to mask their deficiencies but you can be sure as **** the likes of Mayo, or especially Dublin with the pace they have, will crucify such lack of application.

Strongly favour Mayo to beat them.

The way Donegal are going it's reminding me of 2013
That year they ere very sluggish v Down in Ulster, lost to Monaghan in the final, got past Laois until finally being beaten by Mayo.

And from the end of the Down game to 10 mins into the first half v Mayo people were saying things like, "oh they will up the game when they have to" and "oh, wait till they get to Croke Park"

And again this year we are seeing the same type of performances from Donegal. and hearing a lot of the same narrative, some Donegal folk even suggesting that they deliberately played poorly v Derry to dampen hype after the Armagh win etc.

There goose may or may not be cooked but they would have to show a massive improvement v Galway, an average team with a bit of momentum, if they were to convince me that they could get beyond a Quarter Final.

ShamoBuc · 20-07-2015 12:20PM

I think Donegal will still have a big say in the championship. They were only a couple of points away from a win yesterday and had a large number of uncharacteristic wides. Michael Murphy was not his normal self and as one of the best players in the game if he gets back on song he will make a fierce difference.
Their system is still hard to beat and I'm not sure Galway will be able to break them down.

keeponhurling · 20-07-2015 01:19PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think Donegal will still have a big say in the championship. They were only a couple of points away from a win yesterday and had a large number of uncharacteristic wides.

Donegal seriously need to do some work on their kicking to have any chance of an All-Ireland.

But if they do, they'll be dangerous

Ceist_Beag · 20-07-2015 01:26PM

Fixtures confirmed.

Saturday, July 25
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4A
Fermanagh v Westmeath, Kingspan Breffni Park, 5pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Kildare v Cork, Thurles, 7pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Saturday, August 1
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4B
Sligo v Tyrone, Croke Park, 4pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Donegal v Galway, Croke Park, 6pm (Live on Sky Sports)

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 20-07-2015 01:29PM

Kerry and Dublin both play their 1/4s on Aug 2. Thought the Dubs would get a day on their own.

northknife · 20-07-2015 01:30PM

Looks like both 4b game will be on the Saturday so could be a double header as both games are on SKY according to their website:

Sat 1st August

Sligo v Tyrone

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers, Sky Sports 1 HD (15:30)

Donegal v Galway

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers, Sky Sports 1 HD (18:00)

DDC1990 · 20-07-2015 01:33PM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Fixtures confirmed.

Saturday, July 25
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4A
Fermanagh v Westmeath, Kingspan Breffni Park, 5pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Kildare v Cork, Thurles, 7pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Saturday, August 1
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4B
Sligo v Tyrone, Croke Park, 4pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Donegal v Galway, Croke Park, 6pm (Live on Sky Sports)

4B double header, in Croke Park the day before the Kerry and Dublin Quarter Finals?

Not sure that makes any sense at all.

Sligo v Tyrone in Enniskillen
Galway v Donegal in Castlebar would make a hell of a lot more sense.

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-07-2015 01:33PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Kerry and Dublin both play their 1/4s on Aug 2. Thought the Dubs would get a day on their own.

Nope, Dublin have not had a standalone QF fixture for a good number of years at this stage.

They are not pulling the crowds they used to.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 20-07-2015 01:36PM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Fixtures confirmed.

Saturday, July 25
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4A
Fermanagh v Westmeath, Kingspan Breffni Park, 5pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Kildare v Cork, Thurles, 7pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Saturday, August 1
GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Round 4B
Sligo v Tyrone, Croke Park, 4pm (Live on Sky Sports)
Donegal v Galway, Croke Park, 6pm (Live on Sky Sports)

The Double header in Croke Park isn't a good idea.

Tyrone v Sligo should be in Breffni Park, Enniskillen or Clones and Donegal and Galway should be in Breffni Park or Castlebar.

I would say these potential venues would maximise the attendances for the games if they have to be played at neutral venues.

I can't see any moe than 20,000.00 at that double header and in Croke PArk it won't make for a great atmosphere.

JB81 · 20-07-2015 01:39PM

Croke park may not be full, but it will be great for the likes of sligo and galway as there chances of playing there are/have been limited. In saying Tyrone not really been there consistently either, so good for younger players et all.

km79 · 20-07-2015 01:40PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The Double header in Croke Park isn't a good idea.

Tyrone v Sligo should be in Breffni Park, Enniskillen or Clones and Donegal and Galway should be in Breffni Park or Castlebar.

I would say these potential venues would maximise the attendances for the games if they have to be played at neutral venues.

I can't see any moe than 20,000.00 at that double header and in Croke PArk it won't make for a great atmosphere.

so Donegal galway won't finish till approx 8pm
it's a bit late for supporters getting home
galway races on that week too so I'd say galway fans will stay at home . weren't many in salthill as it was against Derry anyway !
should really have been in cbar or even Sligo
from a mayo point of view whichever team we face will most likely have got a runout in croker before facing us which isn't good

ifeelstupid · 20-07-2015 02:02PM

Will Mayo QF be played in Croker?

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-07-2015 02:04PM

ifeelstupid wrote: »

Will Mayo QF be played in Croker?

Yes
All QFs in Croke Park
Has been the case since 2002

DDC1990 · 20-07-2015 02:04PM

ifeelstupid wrote: »

Will Mayo QF be played in Croker?

Yup all QF's in Croker.

Mayo will be playing on the 9th AFAIK, double header with Monaghan.

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-07-2015 02:08PM

km79 wrote: »

so Donegal galway won't finish till approx 8pm
it's a bit late for supporters getting home
galway races on that week too so I'd say galway fans will stay at home . weren't many in salthill as it was against Derry anyway !
should really have been in cbar or even Sligo
from a mayo point of view whichever team we face will most likely have got a runout in croker before facing us which isn't good

Ah come on.

It's not as if this Mayo team will be seeing Croke Park for the first time on August 8th.

It will have zero effect.

keane2097 · 20-07-2015 02:25PM

Still say Provincial winners should get to nominate the venue of their QF matches.

K-9 · 20-07-2015 02:29PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The way Donegal are going it's reminding me of 2013
That year they ere very sluggish v Down in Ulster, lost to Monaghan in the final, got past Laois until finally being beaten by Mayo.

And from the end of the Down game to 10 mins into the first half v Mayo people were saying things like, "oh they will up the game when they have to" and "oh, wait till they get to Croke Park"

And again this year we are seeing the same type of performances from Donegal. and hearing a lot of the same narrative, some Donegal folk even suggesting that they deliberately played poorly v Derry to dampen hype after the Armagh win etc.

There goose may or may not be cooked but they would have to show a massive improvement v Galway, an average team with a bit of momentum, if they were to convince me that they could get beyond a Quarter Final.

Donegal weren't nearly as bad yesterday as 13 though, there was no fight back at all then. It isn't as if the team died a death yesterday like 13.

km79 · 20-07-2015 02:39PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ah come on.

It's not as if this Mayo team will be seeing Croke Park for the first time on August 8th.

It will have zero effect.

no but galway in particular have not played there much recently so it will be a benefit to them .
it's only a small thing but still

personally think it's daft bringing 4 teams from the north \west to croked for qualifiers
A lot of neutrals !yself included would have gone to a double header in a Connaught venue

yop · 20-07-2015 02:41PM

km79 wrote: »

no but galway in particular have not played there much recently so it will be a benefit to them .
it's only a small thing but still
personally think it's daft bringing 4 teams from the north \west to croked for qualifiers
A lot of neutrals !yself included would have gone to a double header in a Connaught venue

When you see where the QF for the hurling is this weekend.

keane2097 · 20-07-2015 03:10PM

Having scored two points from play in the entire Ulster Championship (according to Declan Bogue), is it fair to say Michael Murphy has essentially become a midfielder who is occasionally thrown into the full forward line for short stretches?

I'd have David Moran ahead of him any day of the week if we're picking midfielders.

I think he's an excellent player - so is Connolly - but not convinced those two are deserving of the "above all others" exaltation they seem to be enjoying at the moment.

In fairness to Connolly, he's suffering from a lack of opportunity against really good teams. In general, against the best teams in Championship he's been good but hardly on another level.

Murphy is now pretty much a very good midfielder, again doesn't deserve to be on the pedestal he's on when compared with the likes of Moran, Maher, Aidan O'Shea etc IMO

Stoner · 20-07-2015 03:18PM

K-9 wrote:

Donegal weren't nearly as bad yesterday as 13 though, there was no fight back at all then. It isn't as if the team died a death yesterday like 13.

I know where you are coming from K9.
But the similarities must have crossed your mind in the first half .

Monaghan weren't as good as Mayo were in 2013 either to be fair . They had no blanket and had the game wrapped up by half time.
Monaghan were not as ruthless/on top yesterday.
Donegal could nearly have had it to within one point if they took their three efforts early in the second half.

A result for Donegal yesterday was that they improved in the second half yesterday compared to 2013. At one stage in 2013 was there 20 points in it v mayo ?

And didn't Monaghan beat Donegal by four points that year? It was a lot closer yesterday. That's the benchmark

The mayo v Donegal analysis will have to wait till they play this year.

But certainly Donegal are closer to Monaghan this year than 2013 IMHO.

cj maxx · 20-07-2015 03:27PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Having scored two points from play in the entire Ulster Championship (according to Declan Bogue), is it fair to say Michael Murphy has essentially become a midfielder who is occasionally thrown into the full forward line for short stretches?

I'd have David Moran ahead of him any day of the week if we're picking midfielders.

I think he's an excellent player - so is Connolly - but not convinced those two are deserving of the "above all others" exaltation they seem to be enjoying at the moment.

In fairness to Connolly, he's suffering from a lack of opportunity against really good teams. In general, against the best teams in Championship he's been good but hardly on another level.

Murphy is now pretty much a very good midfielder, again doesn't deserve to be on the pedestal he's on when compared with the likes of Moran, Maher, Aidan O'Shea etc IMO

Agree , good midfielder but excellent full forward in that he can win and hold on to the ball on his own. And score . Cant understand why he wasn't at no 14 yesterday !

Flukey · 20-07-2015 03:43PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Still say Provincial winners should get to nominate the venue of their QF matches.

There is a good chance that they'd nominate Croke Park. After winning a provincial title, you always get the teams talking about looking forward to playing in Croke Park. It is seen as being one of the perks of winning a provincial title. Every team wants to play there and fans like going there too.

K-9 · 20-07-2015 03:59PM

Stoner wrote: »

I know where you are coming from K9.
But the similarities must have crossed your mind in the first half .

Monaghan weren't as good as Mayo were in 2013 either to be fair . They had no blanket and had the game wrapped up by half time.
Monaghan were not as ruthless/on top yesterday.
Donegal could nearly have had it to within one point if they took their three efforts early in the second half.

A result for Donegal yesterday was that they improved in the second half yesterday compared to 2013. At one stage in 2013 was there 20 points in it v mayo ?

And didn't Monaghan beat Donegal by four points that year? It was a lot closer yesterday. That's the benchmark

The mayo v Donegal analysis will have to wait till they play this year.

But certainly Donegal are closer to Monaghan this year than 2013 IMHO.

We'll see, plenty wrote Donegals obituary in 11 & 13 and ladt year, suppose like a stopped clock they'll be right eventually.

blinding · 20-07-2015 04:03PM

Donegal could easily have won yesterday.
Monaghan were hanging on and Donegal had a lot of wides that they normally would have scored at least enough of to win that game.

shrewdness · 20-07-2015 04:05PM

So are the other two quarter finals on Saturday the 8th or Sunday the 9th, I've seen both dates mentioned?

I had a quick look and on the gaa website they have the hurling semi with Kilkenny on the Sunday so I'd imagine that would be preceded by the minor semi. They have the football quarters down for the 8th so would it be safe to assume that would be a double header in Croker and the dates wouldn't change? I'm sure they won't but just planning in advance!

keane2097 · 20-07-2015 04:08PM

Flukey wrote: »

There is a good chance that they'd nominate Croke Park. After winning a provincial title, you always get the teams talking about looking forward to playing in Croke Park. It is seen as being one of the perks of winning a provincial title. Every team wants to play there and fans like going there too.

Definitely there is, but it would be a nice way to give a nod to the competitions by giving a notional advantage for winning them.

It would be brilliant to have AIQFs around the country also, the AI Championship has become totally focused on Dublin city which I think is a pity.

nice_guy80 · 20-07-2015 04:18PM

I thought Donegal were quite leggy yesterday and lacked their normal energy.

They can only improve

The 2015 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

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